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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  kvs on Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:31 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:May be Off Topic but... clip BRDM vs Suckson

    f9MsyHtKwZ4

    What garbage this is a complete failure, must be designed from a mentally challanged "engineer".

    It's their penny pinching culture induced mentality. The engine in that ugly looking box looks like it has
    half the power it needs. I guess it's good enough for operations in the laneways of Northern Ireland.

    I heard that these vehicles were reject items. So the UK is "helping" the NATO puppets in Kiev.

    Canada got trash from the UK in the form of used diesel-electric submarines:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/used-u-k-submarines-prompted-compensation-demand-1.1270576

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:33 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:May be Off Topic but... clip BRDM vs Suckson


    What garbage this is a complete failure, must be designed from a mentally challanged "engineer".

    You know what's even more embarrassing? Poroshenko giving a football/soccerball as a gift to a war veteran who lost the use of his legs! Talk about a cynical bastard who's out of touch with reality:






    ...What a fucking imbecile!

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:44 am

    ...The current Serbian govt. is full of Pro-NATO shills! 'Serbian volunteers fighting for Novorossiya are threatened with a jail time back home in Serbia':


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:10 am

    An interesting thing about Kolo is that he virtually controls all of the SE of Ukraine, from Odessa to Mariupol, and he controls the oil flow to the Pukrainian military.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:29 am

    Yes people this is a clipping from a real news article, NATO is creating a 'rapid-reaction force'....to troll the internet... lol1


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:55 am

    @magnumcromagnon: this one is even more hillarious Very Happy

    http://de.sputniknews.com/militar/20150322/301595113.html

    Porkie claimed that Ukie troops is "stronger than ever" lol1 lol1 because of "military assistance" from the West Laughing Laughing and "unique experience" in the war lol1 lol1 Laughing Laughing

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  higurashihougi on Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:43 am

    Very Happy Very Happy

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-21/clinton-foundation%E2%80%99s-deep-financial-ties-ukrainian-oligarch-who-pushed-closer-ties-e

    Fortunately, I did decide to take a look and pretty soon my jaw absolutely hit the floor. Although the Wall Street Journal didn’t play up the connection, I was stunned to see that of all the oligarchs connected to foreign governments who donated to the Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State, Ukraine was at the very top.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:01 pm


    Stupid arrogant US politicians as usual


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  Big_Gazza on Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:31 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Very Happy Very Happy

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-21/clinton-foundation%E2%80%99s-deep-financial-ties-ukrainian-oligarch-who-pushed-closer-ties-e

    Fortunately, I did decide to take a look and pretty soon my jaw absolutely hit the floor. Although the Wall Street Journal didn’t play up the connection, I was stunned to see that of all the oligarchs connected to foreign governments who donated to the Clinton Foundation while she was Secretary of State, Ukraine was at the very top.


    That is equal parts astonishing and disgusting.... and it puts a whole different light on US claims that their "involvement" in Maidan was solely driven by unexpected and spontaneous events...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  AlfaT8 on Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:01 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:May be Off Topic but... clip BRDM vs Suckson

    f9MsyHtKwZ4

    What garbage this is a complete failure, must be designed from a mentally challanged "engineer".

    It's their penny pinching culture induced mentality.   The engine in that ugly looking box looks like it has
    half the power it needs.  I guess it's good enough for operations in the laneways of Northern Ireland.

    I heard that these vehicles were reject items.   So the UK is "helping" the NATO puppets in Kiev.

    Canada got trash from the UK in the form of used diesel-electric submarines:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/used-u-k-submarines-prompted-compensation-demand-1.1270576

    This thing was British, well that explains why it looks like sh#t, honestly though i thought these were hotchpotch vehicles that Ukraine desperately assembled. Laughing

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:57 pm

    Am I seriously the only fan here of rugged British engineering?

    Seriously the scout cars, tanks, planes, trucks, ships, etc... they came up with in WW2 were awesome in both looks and utility.

    And the Saxon, Saracen, Saladin, etc... all had their time too. It has a V-shaped hull, which was very much still a novelty in the mid-1980s.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:53 pm

    NATO Commander: Even Destabilizing Options Should Be Considered in Ukraine Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150323/1019902663.html#ixzz3VEifg9GH

    Gee, how nice of them. And spending $40M some odd for Russian language broadcasting. They already do that.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:26 am


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  Big_Gazza on Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:46 am

    flamming_python wrote:Am I seriously the only fan here of rugged British engineering?

    Seriously the scout cars, tanks, planes, trucks, ships, etc... they came up with in WW2 were awesome in both looks and utility.

    And the Saxon, Saracen, Saladin, etc... all had their time too. It has a V-shaped hull, which was very much still a novelty in the mid-1980s.

    To be fair, the Saxon was probably fit for purpose for its intended role, ie policing urban trouble spots in the UK.  It wouldn't have to negotiate rough terrain, and as much as street rioters can be hard to handle, they don't generally come equipped with Kalashnikovs and RPGs...

    If the Ukrowehrmacht use these things in Donbass however, they will rapidly result in a half dozen or so well-roasted fascists....

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  AlfaT8 on Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:21 am

    Mustafa Cemilev, leader of the Crimean Tatars & Ukrainian MP declared "non grata" in Crimea by Russian authorities.
    https://twitter.com/CrimeaEU/status/447085041546706944/photo/1

    'The continuous dismantling of free media in Crimea and the crackdown on independent and critical voices is deeply disturbing and worrying'-OSCE OFFICIAL STATEMENT http://www.osce.org/fom/143861

    Russian FSB surrounds Crimean Tatar parliament http://www.worldbulletin.net/headlines/144484/russian-fsb-surrounds-crimean-tatar-parliament

    Russian Security Forces Raid Independent Crimean TV Station ATR http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/26/crimean-tv-station-raid-russia_n_6546008.html

    Hmmm...... concerns or BS?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:33 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:
    Mustafa Cemilev, leader of the Crimean Tatars & Ukrainian MP declared "non grata" in Crimea by Russian authorities.
    https://twitter.com/CrimeaEU/status/447085041546706944/photo/1

    'The continuous dismantling of free media in Crimea and the crackdown on independent and critical voices is deeply disturbing and worrying'-OSCE OFFICIAL STATEMENT http://www.osce.org/fom/143861

    Russian FSB surrounds Crimean Tatar parliament http://www.worldbulletin.net/headlines/144484/russian-fsb-surrounds-crimean-tatar-parliament

    Russian Security Forces Raid Independent Crimean TV Station ATR http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/26/crimean-tv-station-raid-russia_n_6546008.html

    Hmmm...... concerns or BS?

    The virulent Ukrainian legacy media is a legitimate target. These are all strife generation operations and anti-Russian
    indoctrination centers.

    In 1991 most Ukrainians were sane. By 2013 they were brainwashed by the oligarch run lie factories in to a hysterical
    frenzy. We have seen this in Germany during the 1930s and in Rwanda during the 1990s. The generation born
    after 1991 is a lost cause and they actually think Bandera is some sort of hero.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  kvs on Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:36 am

    BTW, this is what happens to journalists who do not follow orders from Washington in the western media:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-moor-has-done-his-duty/

    Disgusting. Removed for showing inconvenient facts. Nobody will show any "concern". But some hate
    factories left over from the previous regime in Crimea are precious untouchable treasures.

    Puke!

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  Vann7 on Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:47 am

    Is clear the west is trying to use the Tatars (which ancenstors were Russian/European kidnapers ,human traffiqers and criminals ,that was their business) to destabilize Crimea and keep economic sanctions on..

    The Tatar leader for sure was bribed with big money to join the west crusade..  How could he want Crimea to return to Ukraine which now does not allow any language ,neither Russian ,neither Tatar to be spoken?  And is ruled by Ultra Nationalist fascist? that are bombing/killing civilians women and children in eastern ukraine? and the same they will do with them..if ever ask for autonomy.He had to be paid for becoming a rat.. his face of "victim" and "injustice" ,is not convincing,   i really hate opportunist and charlatans.,who try to deceive people for personal gains and money.  Why the tatar leader have to be executed in public for cooperating with the west in the destabilization of Crimea.  Russia needs to kick any Tatar from Crimea that is hostile to the will of 98% of crimean population and sent to turkey in a fishing boat with no passport ,for no returning.


    update..

    OMG.. lol Laughing TR1 who call the west a "Democracy" and "freedom"..have to see this interview!!!!

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-moor-has-done-his-duty/

    That interview posted above ,have to make viral in the west.. Shows an anti putin journalist
    fired by US freedom media for expressing a view different from western propaganda. He claims
    kiev from his experience and family experience is far worse than Russia in every respect when it comes to human rights.

    This interview with the 5th column ,anti-putin journalist is priceless.. Finally an example
    of an opposition of Russian Government that see the light.. He supported the chechen independence..  because he says all minorities have the right to live their life the way they choose if the government does not respect them.. but on the same context he happens to have family in Crimea who lost 17 family members ,to the bombing of kiev in eastern ukraine. So naturally his views on Ukraine..are very strong against Kiev actions..for personal family experience.. that he have way before the war began. of kiev repression. the anti putin journalist is very pro life ,pro independence and supportive of Russian Government . he went as far that not only Support Crimea independence ,but also DOnbass.. Very Happy

    He rightly see that Russia protected Crimea from the violence that was comming towards them..after the coup in kiev. he says that . if it was right for Ukraine indepence why is wrong the same in Crimea and donbass?

    Now comes the tricky question.. that Indepence is not possible always.. no matter how noble it is the movement.. A nation that is land locked cannot be independent.. ie.. Chechenia.. because
    will depend on Russia for everything to exist.. cannot have for example travel outside its territory without Russia assistance to allow passing by its territory. Same with Tatars territory.. they cannot be independent because they are landlocked/water locked. All said Independence is only possible when the region/territory geography and resources allows it..when is peaceful and more than anything if that break up. does not threaten the security of a major power near.
    All said The RUssian government is fully justified to crack down on any independence movement that is fueled from abroad.. is not popular and takes weapons.. and threaten the security of their entire nation. Ukraine will have a legal right for crimea and eastern Ukraine if the protest were all artificially created ,incited from abroad and did were not popular inside. But thats is not the case of Ukraine..

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:57 am


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  TR1 on Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:22 am

    http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1863/6262/original.jpg

    "T-72 does not explode like T-64 does!"


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  Werewolf on Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:46 am

    TR1 wrote:http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1863/6262/original.jpg

    "T-72 does not explode like T-64 does!"


    A bad picture of a tracks somewhere in nowhere.

    And they don't explode when welded properly, but ukropy are bad at that for two decades now.

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:07 am

    No, not a bad picture. Clearly the remains of a T-72 that was torn to pieces by ammo detonation.

    And exactly what armor wields are "urkopy" bad at, since those T-64s were welded back in the USSR?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:25 am

    TR1 wrote:No, not a bad picture. Clearly the remains of a T-72 that was torn to pieces by ammo detonation.

    And exactly what armor wields are "urkopy" bad at, since those T-64s were welded back in the USSR?


    T-64 or 72, when the ammo detonated, we have 3 grilled monkeys and a junk of metal craps.

    Does not make any meaningful difference to me.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  Regular on Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:03 am


    For separatists Bennys victory over poro would be more convenient.
    Say whatever but Ihor recognizes separatist regions and he is saying that Ukraine should deal with them diplomatically and not through Putin. He is not interested in war, but in profit. He already has plenty of influence and power. And he holds nationalists on his leash. Unlike Poro who is useless and people start to see it.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #11

    Post  GarryB on Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:35 am

    Put HE shells and propellent charges in the crew compartment of any tank and they will all explode.

    I remember a photo of a Tiger tank where only the tracks are visible when it drove over a land mine...

    If it makes you feel better a T-64 with no ammo left on board would not explode just like a T-72 would not explode when 22 rounds are in its underfloor autoloader and not other rounds are on board...


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