Isos wrote:Militarov, I saw you're back in this forum. I wanted to ask you what you think about the products which are on this website
Are they better or worst than russian or Nato équivalents, in general ? What about the radars and ECM presented, battle management softwere? The 125 mm are made with steel or tungusten ?
An army armed with them could beat an army (equivalent numbers and training) armed with nato equipement?
Complex question, that requires very complex answer.
First of all Yugoimport SDPR is what i call "Photoshop company", they are legendary for presenting stuff they not only cant produce, but cant even draw properly. Let me give you an example.
Super Galeb G4... even if whole Yugoslavia suddenly came back together there is no way in Hell we could make it in 5 or 10 years timeframe. Let alone Yugoimport SDPR to organise such feat.
J-22 Orao.. same story.
SDPR is basically marketing company, they are there to sell shit, however they started funding some projects in recent years as military industry fell in despair, many companies do not exist, are in horrible financial situation or were sold for beans to foreigners which just closed them to prevent having competition, some even completely changed field of work... so take everything on their website with shovel of salt.
Second thing is that many of items marketed as product of Serbian industry, while truly being mostly assembled in Serbia have more foreign equipment than International Space Station. Lazar 3 for an example... Cummins engine, Allison transmission, steel from Slovenia... navigation and communication from France if i recall... overall maybe 30% of its value is produced actually by Serbia.
In terms of quality small arms, ammunition, mortar shells, mortars... uniforms etc, its good, suprisingly good most of the time, lets say you can easily position such products of Serbian industry in the lower upper class. On other hand i cant say much about those PR-15 radars you asked about, but i know those are just further development of IR-3 which Yugoslavia started fielding in early 80s, mostly with border guards. And then again, it was based on some French Olifant-2 or something of a sort, which we obtained in mid 70s.
APFSDS-T M88 i belive has tungsten carbide rod, its licenced production of Soviet BM-15 from early 70s, so i assume identical data apples.
"The projectile exist of a steel dart shaped projectile in which a 20 mm hole is drilled in front. A Tungsten penetrator (20 mm diameter ,71 mm long) is placed in this hole, locked up by a screwed in soft steel piercing cap. This piercing cap prevented the projectile of bouncing off at low impact angles. On top of the piercing cap a sheet steel ballistc cap is crimped. On the outside of the dart body grooves are machined in which the three -120 degrees each- sabots fit. The sabots are kept together with a small red copper driving band. The drivingband is very thin because this projectiel is fired from a smoothbore barrel and does not need to be forced in the lands and grooves to induce spin. The dart has five fins that have a small chamfered surface on the front end that induces a slow rate of spin to improve stability. On the outer circumference of the fins a 3mm long red copper nail are placed. This red copper nails avoid the steel fins from scraping the inside of the barrel, scratching it. The wingspan of the fins are therefore is 125-3-3 = 119 mm. The nails also serve as the lower anchorage for the sheet powder combustable bushing that is glued to the outer circumference of the sabots. The combustable bushing is filled with powder sticks and closed with a combustable closing cap. Upon firing, the driving belt is reduced in dismeter, weakening it. Upon leaving the barrel , the airstream will blow the sabots off, the induced slow rotation will throw them free of the dart. The loose penetrator flying towards the target has a diameter of 44 mm only."