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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  galicije83 on Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:37 am

    This is latest 4x4 armored vehicle made by SDPR and is called M-05 "Vuk" or "Wolf"....
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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:23 pm

    New Serbian armored vehicle BOV M16 Miloš

    On the following February 19, 2017 in Abu Dhabi (UAE), the international defense exhibition IDEX-2017 Serbian military-industrial association "Јugoimport - SDPR" introduced a new armored vehicle BOV M16 Miloš class MRAP 4x4. The machine was designed and built a new company "Borbeni folded Systems" (BSS) "Јugoimport - SDPR" in Velika Plana.

    It is reported that the car BOV M16 Miloš has full combat weight depending on configuration from 12 to 14 tons. . Machine length 5.48 m, width 2.48 m, height 2.3 m capacity of eight people, four of whom are located in four-door cabin, and four - in the troop compartment with a stern ramp. Hulls bearing with the introduction of mine protection, including a V-shaped bottom.

    The machine has a diesel engine Cummins ISB 300 output of 300 hp combined with a six-speed ,, automatic transmission Allison 3500SP. The speed on the highway up to 110 km / h and a cruising range of 500 km. Presented at the IDEX-2017 the first prototype BOV M16 Miloš features designed "Јugoimport - SDPR" remotely controlled weapon module M15 with a 12.7-mm machine gun.



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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  Militarov on Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:06 am

    George1 wrote:New Serbian armored vehicle BOV M16 Miloš

    On the following February 19, 2017 in Abu Dhabi (UAE), the international defense exhibition IDEX-2017 Serbian military-industrial association "Јugoimport - SDPR" introduced a new armored vehicle BOV M16 Miloš class MRAP 4x4. The machine was designed and built a new company "Borbeni folded Systems" (BSS) "Јugoimport - SDPR" in Velika Plana.

    It is reported that the car BOV M16 Miloš has full combat weight depending on configuration from 12 to 14 tons. . Machine length 5.48 m, width 2.48 m, height 2.3 m capacity of eight people, four of whom are located in four-door cabin, and four - in the troop compartment with a stern ramp. Hulls bearing with the introduction of mine protection, including a V-shaped bottom.

    The machine has a diesel engine Cummins ISB 300 output of 300 hp combined with a six-speed ,, automatic transmission Allison 3500SP. The speed on the highway up to 110 km / h and a cruising range of 500 km. Presented at the IDEX-2017 the first prototype BOV M16 Miloš features designed "Јugoimport - SDPR" remotely controlled weapon module M15 with a 12.7-mm machine gun.



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2444586.html

    http://www.armyrecognition.com/idex_2017_official_online_show_daily_news/yugoimport_from_serbia_unveils_new_milosh_4x4_multipupose_armoured_vehicle_at_idex_2017_11902176.html

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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  Godric on Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:39 am

    Militarov wrote:
    George1 wrote:New Serbian armored vehicle BOV M16 Miloš

    On the following February 19, 2017 in Abu Dhabi (UAE), the international defense exhibition IDEX-2017 Serbian military-industrial association "Јugoimport - SDPR" introduced a new armored vehicle BOV M16 Miloš class MRAP 4x4. The machine was designed and built a new company "Borbeni folded Systems" (BSS) "Јugoimport - SDPR" in Velika Plana.

    It is reported that the car BOV M16 Miloš has full combat weight depending on configuration from 12 to 14 tons. . Machine length 5.48 m, width 2.48 m, height 2.3 m capacity of eight people, four of whom are located in four-door cabin, and four - in the troop compartment with a stern ramp. Hulls bearing with the introduction of mine protection, including a V-shaped bottom.

    The machine has a diesel engine Cummins ISB 300 output of 300 hp combined with a six-speed ,, automatic transmission Allison 3500SP. The speed on the highway up to 110 km / h and a cruising range of 500 km. Presented at the IDEX-2017 the first prototype BOV M16 Miloš features designed "Јugoimport - SDPR" remotely controlled weapon module M15 with a 12.7-mm machine gun.



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2444586.html

    http://www.armyrecognition.com/idex_2017_official_online_show_daily_news/yugoimport_from_serbia_unveils_new_milosh_4x4_multipupose_armoured_vehicle_at_idex_2017_11902176.html

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    it looks pretty decent ... Serbia has been coming out with some decent hardware recently ... like the ever improving Lazar and i see the Nora B-52 has a pretty decent range on some rounds 56Km on M15 rounds and 67Km on some new prototype round
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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:26 pm


    Looks good, was not expecting that many new products. Also check out that wheel size on Milos MRAP.

    THOSE ARE the wheels you should install on your military sh*t. This is something you can actually use in rain and off paved roads. Unlike certain EE countries, our guys at least know how to design off-road vehicles that can go off road.

    Now if they would be so kind to actually start producing and delivering those things to the Army that would be super awesome.


    Video with some fresh stuff (missiles, UAV, helicopter drone, APC, missile boat...);

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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  Militarov on Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:30 pm

    Godric wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    George1 wrote:New Serbian armored vehicle BOV M16 Miloš

    On the following February 19, 2017 in Abu Dhabi (UAE), the international defense exhibition IDEX-2017 Serbian military-industrial association "Јugoimport - SDPR" introduced a new armored vehicle BOV M16 Miloš class MRAP 4x4. The machine was designed and built a new company "Borbeni folded Systems" (BSS) "Јugoimport - SDPR" in Velika Plana.

    It is reported that the car BOV M16 Miloš has full combat weight depending on configuration from 12 to 14 tons. . Machine length 5.48 m, width 2.48 m, height 2.3 m capacity of eight people, four of whom are located in four-door cabin, and four - in the troop compartment with a stern ramp. Hulls bearing with the introduction of mine protection, including a V-shaped bottom.

    The machine has a diesel engine Cummins ISB 300 output of 300 hp combined with a six-speed ,, automatic transmission Allison 3500SP. The speed on the highway up to 110 km / h and a cruising range of 500 km. Presented at the IDEX-2017 the first prototype BOV M16 Miloš features designed "Јugoimport - SDPR" remotely controlled weapon module M15 with a 12.7-mm machine gun.



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2444586.html

    http://www.armyrecognition.com/idex_2017_official_online_show_daily_news/yugoimport_from_serbia_unveils_new_milosh_4x4_multipupose_armoured_vehicle_at_idex_2017_11902176.html

    Abit more if someone is interested

    it looks pretty decent ... Serbia has been coming out with some decent hardware recently ... like the ever improving Lazar and i see the Nora B-52 has a pretty decent range on some rounds 56Km on M15 rounds and 67Km on some new prototype round

    Thing is that very little of it is actually Serbian. All those systems use mainly imported either components, and even materials. Engines, transmission, tires, steel, reinforced glass, basically all electronic components, even base anti-corrosive paint is being imported. But yea i guess its better than not being present on international market at all. Its all just tiny tiny shadow of what back in time Yugoslavia was capable of.
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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:25 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Godric wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    George1 wrote:New Serbian armored vehicle BOV M16 Miloš

    On the following February 19, 2017 in Abu Dhabi (UAE), the international defense exhibition IDEX-2017 Serbian military-industrial association "Јugoimport - SDPR" introduced a new armored vehicle BOV M16 Miloš class MRAP 4x4. The machine was designed and built a new company "Borbeni folded Systems" (BSS) "Јugoimport - SDPR" in Velika Plana.

    It is reported that the car BOV M16 Miloš has full combat weight depending on configuration from 12 to 14 tons. . Machine length 5.48 m, width 2.48 m, height 2.3 m capacity of eight people, four of whom are located in four-door cabin, and four - in the troop compartment with a stern ramp. Hulls bearing with the introduction of mine protection, including a V-shaped bottom.

    The machine has a diesel engine Cummins ISB 300 output of 300 hp combined with a six-speed ,, automatic transmission Allison 3500SP. The speed on the highway up to 110 km / h and a cruising range of 500 km. Presented at the IDEX-2017 the first prototype BOV M16 Miloš features designed "Јugoimport - SDPR" remotely controlled weapon module M15 with a 12.7-mm machine gun.



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2444586.html

    http://www.armyrecognition.com/idex_2017_official_online_show_daily_news/yugoimport_from_serbia_unveils_new_milosh_4x4_multipupose_armoured_vehicle_at_idex_2017_11902176.html

    Abit more if someone is interested

    it looks pretty decent ... Serbia has been coming out with some decent hardware recently ... like the ever improving Lazar and i see the Nora B-52 has a pretty decent range on some rounds 56Km on M15 rounds and 67Km on some new prototype round

    Thing is that very little of it is actually Serbian. All those systems use mainly imported either components, and even materials. Engines, transmission, tires, steel, reinforced glass, basically all electronic components, even base anti-corrosive paint is being imported. But yea i guess its better than not being present on international market at all. Its all just tiny tiny shadow of what back in time Yugoslavia was capable of.

    IR camera for driver is a nice touch.
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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:56 pm

    Militarov wrote:...............

    Thing is that very little of it is actually Serbian. All those systems use mainly imported either components, and even materials. Engines, transmission, tires, steel, reinforced glass, basically all electronic components, even base anti-corrosive paint is being imported. But yea i guess its better than not being present on international market at all. Its all just tiny tiny shadow of what back in time Yugoslavia was capable of.

    Very true but Yugoslavia is dead, buried and decomposed so no use getting worked up over non issue.

    Nothing is local for countries of this size today. All that matters is that you have plenty of spare parts lying around when SHTF. Parts origin is irrelevant, we of all people should know this.

    What irks me is procurement. When the hell do they plan to start adopting these things?

    Exports are nice but unless you use it yourself nobody will be dumb enough to buy it from you.
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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  Militarov on Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:40 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Militarov wrote:...............

    Thing is that very little of it is actually Serbian. All those systems use mainly imported either components, and even materials. Engines, transmission, tires, steel, reinforced glass, basically all electronic components, even base anti-corrosive paint is being imported. But yea i guess its better than not being present on international market at all. Its all just tiny tiny shadow of what back in time Yugoslavia was capable of.

    Very true but Yugoslavia is dead, buried and decomposed so no use getting worked up over non issue.

    Nothing is local for countries of this size today. All that matters is that you have plenty of spare parts lying around when SHTF. Parts origin is irrelevant, we of all people should know this.

    What irks me is procurement. When the hell do they plan to start adopting these things?

    Exports are nice but unless you use it yourself nobody will be dumb enough to buy it from you.

    Just saying, people are sometimes forgeting what Yugoslavia was in this field, real "tiny giant". My father was always getting offers from abroad to move and work, simply coz he was an engineer in ex Yugo def. industry, it was powerful reference back in time.

    Well, depends, some countries focus on licence procurement or reverse engineering instead of procuring directly abroad. Israel is really not much bigger than Serbia, yet they produce mindblowing amounts of components as completely domestic product. Naturally they import alot too, but considering their size... they are impressive.

    Well... they bought just like 2 years ago over 100 Land Rovers... they are getting as "gift" more Hummers (40?), so considering that we have army comparable in manpower to hunting club in major city... i dont think we will see some huge orders of vehicles like this. There will be token amounts ordered from the exact reason you mentioned, so they can sell them abroad easier.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:38 pm

    Militarov wrote:..............................
    Just saying, people are sometimes forgeting what Yugoslavia was in this field, real "tiny giant". My father was always getting offers from abroad to move and work, simply coz he was an engineer in ex Yugo def. industry, it was powerful reference back in time.

    Well, depends, some countries focus on licence procurement or reverse engineering instead of procuring directly abroad. Israel is really not much bigger than Serbia, yet they produce mindblowing amounts of components as completely domestic product. Naturally they import alot too, but considering their size... they are impressive.

    Well... they bought just like 2 years ago over 100 Land Rovers... they are getting as "gift" more Hummers (40?), so considering that we have army comparable in manpower to hunting club in major city... i dont think we will see some huge orders of vehicles like this. There will be token amounts ordered from the exact reason you mentioned, so they can sell them abroad easier.

    I hear ya'.

    As for procurment yes, our Army is small but it makes sense because today for us there are only 2 types of potential wars:

    1) Ones far away that we don't give two figs about, let alone fight.

    2) Massive local sh*tstorms that require total mobilization so you are going back to basics anyway.

    I am not saying they need to go on a shopping spree but they should get one each every couple or several months. After a decade (or less if finances will it) we will have several dozens or maybe up to a hundred (again, if finances will it) in storage. That can't hurt and it will help with marketing.

    At that pace it will hardly make a huge dent in the budget. And in time they can start localizing some of the components, who knows...
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    Re: Serbian Defence Industry and Arms Exports

    Post  galicije83 on Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:19 pm

    М06 Милош/Milos

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    Post  Militarov on Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:31 pm

    galicije83 wrote:М06 Милош/Milos


    Velika Plana got renamed into Abu Dhabi apparently.
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    Post  galicije83 on Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:53 pm

    probably....i made one mistake it isnt M06 its M16 Milos...
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    Post  Godric on Mon Feb 27, 2017 3:52 pm

    galicije83 wrote:probably....i made one mistake it isnt M06 its M16 Milos...

    any truth in the rumours Pakistan is interested in buying 400 Nora B-52s 100 built in Serbia and 300 in Pakistan also heard they are interested in the new grads with 280KM range
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    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:20 pm

    The Sumadija, a surface-to-surface missile capable of hitting targets up to 300 kilometers away, designed and built in Serbia, grabbed much attention during the Abu Dhabi show.

    “This is exactly what Serbia needed to prevent its regional neighbor’s possible participation in the 1999 aggression against us. The Sumadija can also hit big cities in neighboring countries.

    “Hopefully no such conflict will ever happen, but if it does and someone is crazy enough to make his airspace available to any third country willing to attack Serbia [like Bulgaria did in 1999], we now have a missile to reach all the strategic cities in the region,” Lazanski warned.

    He added that the Sumadija is entirely an indigenous project by the state-owned company Yugoimport-SDPR and the private firm Edepro.

    The missile has a minimum range of 70 kilometers and a maximum range of 300 kilometers. It can operate at air temperatures ranging from 30 degrees below zero, up to 50 degrees above zero. The Sumadija carries a fragmentation, or thermobaric warhead, and takes 12 minutes to launch.



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    Post  Militarov on Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:58 pm

    Godric wrote:
    galicije83 wrote:probably....i made one mistake it isnt M06 its M16 Milos...

    any truth in the rumours Pakistan is interested in buying 400 Nora B-52s 100 built in Serbia and 300 in Pakistan also heard they are interested in the new grads with 280KM range

    There are always rumors of such type. Last year on another expo they claimed India is interested in 450 Noras, so... take it with grain of salt. Pakistan was also "interested" in buying few hundred Lazar 2s... and we all know how that turned up to be.

    New Grad rocket is 50km range, not 280km. Rocket you are refering to with 280km range is atm called "Šumadija" and its so called "artillery rocket". Somewhat like Luna-M was back in time lets say.
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    Post  Militarov on Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:59 pm

    George1 wrote:
    The Sumadija, a surface-to-surface missile capable of hitting targets up to 300 kilometers away, designed and built in Serbia, grabbed much attention during the Abu Dhabi show.

    “This is exactly what Serbia needed to prevent its regional neighbor’s possible participation in the 1999 aggression against us. The Sumadija can also hit big cities in neighboring countries.

    “Hopefully no such conflict will ever happen, but if it does and someone is crazy enough to make his airspace available to any third country willing to attack Serbia [like Bulgaria did in 1999], we now have a missile to reach all the strategic cities in the region,” Lazanski warned.

    He added that the Sumadija is entirely an indigenous project by the state-owned company Yugoimport-SDPR and the private firm Edepro.

    The missile has a minimum range of 70 kilometers and a maximum range of 300 kilometers. It can operate at air temperatures ranging from 30 degrees below zero, up to 50 degrees above zero. The Sumadija carries a fragmentation, or thermobaric warhead, and takes 12 minutes to launch.



    https://sputniknews.com/military/201703041051263518-serbia-missile-nato/

    That video is so full of shit tho Very Happy "New Serbian guided balistic missile", God Good so many mistakes in so many words.
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    Post  George1 on Sun Mar 05, 2017 3:00 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    That video is so full of shit tho Very Happy "New Serbian guided balistic missile", God Good so many mistakes in so many words.

    even if it comes from a russian page Smile


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    Post  Militarov on Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:55 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    That video is so full of shit tho Very Happy "New Serbian guided balistic missile", God Good so many mistakes in so many words.

    even if it comes from a russian page Smile

    Well video was obviously made by Serbian, but its horrid. Full of mistakes and well... it isnt very good as video either Very Happy
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    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:40 am

    Showing new Serbian technology

    Demonstration of the new models of armored vehicles produced by the Yugoimport SDPR facilities to the Prime Minister of Serbia Alexander Vucic; March 2017

    Supplement bmpd. The show was made during a visit to A. Vucic on March 12, 2017 of the new enterprise Borbeni Slozheni Sistemi (FSU) of the Serbian military-industrial association "Јgoimport - SDPR" in Velika Plana. At the show, prototypes of a new LAZAR 3 armored personnel carrier with a wheel formula of 8x8 and a new armored vehicle BOV M16 Miloš class MRAP with a 4x4 wheel arrangement and a 155 mm / 52 mm Nora B-52K1 self-propelled howitzer on a modified wheeled chassis " KAMAZ-63501 "with the formula 8х8.

    During the visit, A.Vučić reported that 12 Serbian armored personnel carriers LAZAR and 12 self-propelled howitzers Nora B-52 will be delivered to the Serbian army, and six LAZAR 3 armored personnel carriers to the Serbian gendarmerie 3. Six armored vehicles BOV M16 Miloš will be delivered to the counterterrorism group CAJ of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Serbia.











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    Post  Militarov on Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:04 am

    George1 wrote:

    Militarov Serbian Arms Industry is growing!!

    Well i would rather call it "recovering".

    They are mentioning assembly line and project for independent suspension which would in future be used by Lazar, Milosh and Nora. Line is allegedly to be assembled in FAP, however i am not sure if our engineers can pull it out without major foreign help.

    Reason why they are trying to do it, is because so many..well.. majority of components we use in those vehicles are from import.

    Ah yea, they also managed to make first 105mm howtizer bore on new cannon drilling machine. Next year they will try 120mm tank gun.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:47 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    George1 wrote:

    Militarov Serbian Arms Industry is growing!!

    Well i would rather call it "recovering".

    They are mentioning assembly line and project for independent suspension which would in future be used by Lazar, Milosh and Nora. Line is allegedly to be assembled in FAP, however i am not sure if our engineers can pull it out without major foreign help.

    Reason why they are trying to do it, is because so many..well.. majority of components we use in those vehicles are from import.

    Ah yea, they also managed to make first 105mm howtizer bore on new cannon drilling machine. Next year they will try 120mm tank gun.

    Then they have to found client for exporting them. There are more and more countries prducing these type of vehicle, even the traditional buyers can now produce their own armored 4x4, howitzer and MRLS. But for Serbia's economy, they don't need to sell lot of them however.

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