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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Regular on Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:22 pm

    Just another video that makes this war look so pointless through human perspective.
    Ukrainians meet separatists. I think here those soldiers are being let to travel back to Ukraine and Motorola is speaking about dead Ukrainian soldiers who have to be picked up.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  TR1 on Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:33 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PAbaLyNlKk#t=127

    Holy- that's a lot of armor. Voentorg in action.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  kvs on Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:02 am

    TR1 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PAbaLyNlKk#t=127

    Holy- that's a lot of armor. Voentorg in action.

    Yeah, those Ukrainian made and owned tanks are a real giveaway.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:09 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:The hatred for Russia is getting to disturbing levels, now graves in Australia of deceased ethnic Russians are being vandalized:


    All the hate against Russia, do not start on the streets.. but in the NGOs programs created in neocons Embassys of US ,Israel and other Rusophobic countries. Its is US major goal to not allow Europe and Russia to become closer.. So they use all the violence that you see in Ukraine and NATO countries to promote hate against Russia.  NGOS+ NEOcons media working together to promote hate against Russia.

    Take a look at what is happening in Ukraine.recently.. a witch hunt have began against any politician
    who was friendly to Russia in the past.



    Even any singer who shows sympathy or neutrality for Russia is boycott in kiev. But make no mistake all that the major organized hate is fueled by US embassy social engineers in human conduct. US spend millions hiring professionals that understand how to manipulate people. SO Radicals groups both in Ukraine and Russia are their main clients that they finance and recruit to create problems. There is also NGOs under "Activist" label ,like Russia's Soldiers' Mothers Committee... that the west finance and use with the intention to spread fear and unrest , and make people believe Russians citizens that 4,000 Russian army soldiers invaded ukraine and were all killed.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  TR1 on Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:23 am

    kvs wrote:
    TR1 wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PAbaLyNlKk#t=127

    Holy- that's a lot of armor. Voentorg in action.

    Yeah, those Ukrainian made and owned tanks are a real giveaway.


    T-72s are Ukrainian made?
    BTR-80M is Ukrainian made?

    Not.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:35 am

    Who has control of voentorg?
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  TR1 on Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:42 am

    Who do you think?

    The people who originally own the vehicles. The Russian army. They are the ones who hand them over, with or without crews (that part I don't kn0w).
    Who controls the Russian army? The Russian government.

    It is not the 90s, this isn't rogue elements.
    Obviously the stuff they captured is not Voentorg, but there is a loooot of armor that has crossed the border.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  flamming_python on Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:13 am

    Main thing is that we're pwning them
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:50 am

    Does anyone have any info about whether the Novorussians have liberated Mariupol' or not? I mean over the last few hours?
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  kvs on Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:55 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=31jJOyORHjU

    Tour of the old terminal at the Donetsk airport. Shows how regime forces dispose of their dead. Three bodies
    were stuffed into a fridge. One body was torched and left. No effort to evacuate the dead.

    Also shows some "voentorg", i.e. captured regime arms.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  kvs on Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:57 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Does anyone have any info about whether the Novorussians have liberated Mariupol' or not? I mean over the last few hours?

    There is no indication of any movement of the front. The posted youtube video just has a hysterical title.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:00 am

    What does the following mean?

    Порошенко за уголь сдаёт сепарам Мариуполь?

    Does it mean "... gives Mariupol' to get coal?"?

    If this translation is true, then the implication it tries to convey is pretty unintelligent.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  kvs on Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:10 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:What does the following mean?

    Порошенко за уголь сдаёт сепарам Мариуполь?

    Does it mean "... gives Mariupol' to get coal?"?

    If this translation is true, then the implication it tries to convey is pretty unintelligent.

    That is the correct translation, "Poroshenko is giving up Mariupol to the separatists for coal". There is no fighting
    on the outskirts of Mariupol. Many of the BTRs have "To Mariupol" on them, but that is not exactly evidence of some
    big push to capture it.

    Reading voicesevas.ru and rusvesna.ru I do not get any impression that there is a return to the August dynamic
    fighting. Regime forces are moving slowly and entrenching themselves well, but there is no collapse of the rebel
    lines.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:24 am

    kvs wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:What does the following mean?

    Порошенко за уголь сдаёт сепарам Мариуполь?

    Does it mean "... gives Mariupol' to get coal?"?

    If this translation is true, then the implication it tries to convey is pretty unintelligent.

    That is the correct translation, "Poroshenko is giving up Mariupol to the separatists for coal".   There is no fighting
    on the outskirts of Mariupol.  Many of the BTRs have "To Mariupol" on them, but that is not exactly evidence of some
    big push to capture it.  

    Reading voicesevas.ru and rusvesna.ru I do not get any impression that there is a return to the August dynamic
    fighting.  Regime forces are moving slowly and entrenching themselves well, but there is no collapse of the rebel
    lines.  

    Thanks, kvs.

    One thing is that these columns are intended to be seen.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:13 am

    It looks like the American Government will not give up with the false flags and try again..
    This time there are rumors that comes from Kharkiv and other sources ,that the west with Kiev
    help are preparing for another major false flag incident.. after the failure of the Malasyan plane.
    and this time with a tactical small nuclear warhead. It is being said that the attack could happen before Christmas ,
    and the plan this time is to create and event ,than Russia will not be able to proof it was not them.. like it was the malasyan plane.. Because will happen in their controlled zones.   Basically the west and kiev are planning to start a
    major attack on donetsk airport.. then they will detonate a tactical nuke near .. that even though will be small one,
    it will radiate civilians near the combat zone.. (perhaps they will show a thousand of dead soldiers.. (bodies from morgue or mannequins..etc) and will show many dozens if not hundreds of children with radiation burns in ukraine controlled zones..  and then USA and its media will follow the story and demand the EU a total trade blockade against Russia..or simply Ukraine close the gas pipelines to europe.. or simply more sanctions..  because in the end.. the only goal of USA with Ukraine.. was and still is. to use Ukraine to sabotage Russia economy..as much as possible.. with sanctions and by provoking Russia to invade and stay there for months if not years.


    you can read the full story here.. is interesting ..
    page 1 and page 2



    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/12/is-ukraine-preparing-for-a-nuclear-false-flag-to-frame-russia-3076296.html

    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/12/is-ukraine-preparing-for-a-nuclear-false-flag-to-frame-russia-3076296.html?currentSplittedPage=2  


    The Russian who tell the information says that the information he got was from inside ukraine ,yet he is not sure if it true the information..but to play safe he is sharing it.. just in case.. There is also a report of nuclear radiation toxics.. that arrived in a  Latvian port.. perhaps will be used for any other false flag or the same.. He is a diplomat of Russian government and he also shares his experience in Europe.. that average people in italy supports and cheers Putin and Russia. and that they are very upset with their government selling to america in their sanctions to Russia.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Zivo on Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:56 am

    Vann7 wrote:It looks like the American Government will not give up with the false flags and try again..
    This time there are rumors that comes from Kharkiv and other sources ,that the west with Kiev
    help are preparing for another major false flag incident.. after the failure of the Malasyan plane.
    and this time with a tactical small nuclear warhead. It is being said that the attack could happen before Christmas ,
    and the plan this time is to create and event ,than Russia will not be able to proof it was not them.. like it was the malasyan plane.. Because will happen in their controlled zones.   Basically the west and kiev are planning to start a
    major attack on donetsk airport.. then they will detonate a tactical nuke near .. that even though will be small one,
    it will radiate civilians near the combat zone.. (perhaps they will show a thousand of dead soldiers.. (bodies from morgue or mannequins..etc) and will show many dozens if not hundreds of children with radiation burns in ukraine controlled zones..  and then USA and its media will follow the story and demand the EU a total trade blockade against Russia..or simply Ukraine close the gas pipelines to europe.. or simply more sanctions..  because in the end.. the only goal of USA with Ukraine.. was and still is. to use Ukraine to sabotage Russia economy..as much as possible.. with sanctions and by provoking Russia to invade and stay there for months if not years.


    you can read the full story here.. is interesting ..
    page 1 and page 2



    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/12/is-ukraine-preparing-for-a-nuclear-false-flag-to-frame-russia-3076296.html

    http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/12/is-ukraine-preparing-for-a-nuclear-false-flag-to-frame-russia-3076296.html?currentSplittedPage=2  


    The Russian who tell the information says that the information he got was from inside ukraine ,yet he is not sure if it true the information..but to play safe he is sharing it.. just in case.. There is also a report of nuclear radiation toxics.. that arrived in a  Latvian port.. perhaps will be used for any other false flag or the same.. He is a diplomat of Russian government and he also shares his experience in Europe.. that average people in italy supports and cheers Putin and Russia. and that they are very upset with their government selling to america in their sanctions to Russia.


    Well, if it happens, it happens. I personally wont lose sleep worrying about it.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:49 am

    If this happens and there are lot of bastards who hope for it than russia should blow up a few US cities for this genocide.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:20 am

    quote " If this happens and there are lot of bastards who hope for it than russia should blow up a few US cities for this genocide. "

    If this happen by bet is that it will be all hollywood . The radiaction will come from nuclear reactor waste ,placed on the airport or near it.. and the nuke could be an custom moab thermobaric bomb that produce a mushroom cloud. The wounded children could be makeup..and give them bad taste medicine to make them cry.. lol

    They can invent anything ,since they will be the only ones with access to the scene for investigation.


    I know is off topic.. a bit.
    But Israeli attack in Syria was not so good as claimed..by their propaganda press..
    apparently 2 F-15 planes flew close to Syria airspace and fired 2 popeye air to ground missiles.. with infrare and TV guidance..  One of them one shut down by Syrian Buks/pechora defenses.. and the other penetrated but missed the target of a munitions depot..was jammed. and attacked an empty warehouse of civilians goods.. near Syria airport.

    here are pictures of the israeli cruise missile shut down..

    http://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/306202.html
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  TR1 on Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:40 am

    LOL a nuclear false flag attack?

    You been hitting the pipe more than usual Vann?
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Dec 13, 2014 12:47 pm

    Only be careful if you send Topols. There is a cool bro in Pasadena with a pinky BMW X3. He is a nice guy although a little zionist friendly.
    But don't mind, he lives the american dream in the land of the brave and the free.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Regular on Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:21 pm

    I think such false flag attack was carried out by Ukrainian General few months ago. On Twitter.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:36 pm

    There is already growing protests in Ukraine on wanting the fed gov to screw off already. Even Carpathian areas are wanting to leave now (or at least become a republic). Funny, whatever Porky and his master Yatsenuk decide to do, the rest of the country is collapsing. Guess they weren't the right men for the job, eh Nuland?
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Werewolf on Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:36 pm

    TR1 wrote:LOL a nuclear false flag attack?

    You been hitting the pipe more than usual Vann?

    There was and is still a plan by USA that was designed during 1970s to attack a Soviet friendly country like GDR with US and to lure out Soviet troops on german soil and than to use an average of 300 tactical nukes to decimate Soviet military troops. Don't remember the actual Operation name, something vocally similiar to Operation Battle Royal.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Stealthflanker on Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:08 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    I know is off topic.. a bit.
    But Israeli attack in Syria was not so good as claimed..by their propaganda press..
    apparently 2 F-15 planes flew close to Syria airspace and fired 2 popeye air to ground missiles.. with infrare and TV guidance..  One of them one shut down by Syrian Buks/pechora defenses.. and the other penetrated but missed the target of a munitions depot..was jammed. and attacked an empty warehouse of civilians goods.. near Syria airport.

    here are pictures of the israeli cruise missile shut down..

    http://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/306202.html

    Well post it in Buk thread..

    In other hand.. ppl are celebrating "F-15 success" Jamming the Buk's..Just what the hell was wrong with Syrian air defense ..
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:54 pm

    Yes but still we didn't blow any of the Jewish jets Sad

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