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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:59 pm

    I simply call them Bandits. Cool
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    Post  Firebird on Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:00 pm

    Galiciscum?
    Fagderas?
    Obummerites?

    PS in England, fags are called "arse bandits". So perhaps the Lvov clowns should be called "arse banderits"
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    Post  kvs on Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:39 pm

    Firebird wrote:Galiciscum?
    Fagderas?
    Obummerites?

    PS in England, fags are called  "arse bandits". So perhaps the Lvov clowns should be called "arse banderits"

    Not all people in western Ukraine worship Bandera. For example, in Rivne Oblast the neo-nazi party Svoboda never
    got more than 7% of the votes. So it is better to tag all the actual Bandera lovers and not all the Galicians, etc.

    The Banderasts are a US project going back to WWII. They were a tool against the USSR like the Afghani mujaheddin.
    Too bad for Ukraine that these vermin have taken over power. Ukraine has joined Libya and Syria in the toilet
    all thanks to Uncle Sam.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:43 pm

    kvs wrote:Too bad for Ukraine that these vermin have taken over power.   Ukraine has joined Libya and Syria in the toilet all thanks to Uncle Sam.

    Basically Kyiv's political scums and racist thugs are using an old tactics to divert the public attention and to cover their own weaknesses.

    That is dump everything into the nearby big country: Russia.

    It is clear that under Yaku regime, things are bad and the Ukrainian people are frustated. But not because of Russia.

    Yaku is a pro-Russia, but that have nothing to do with his own corrpution, with the stagnated Ukrainian economy, and with the ramapaging of the oligarchs in Ukraina.

    Evidences: Poro and his thugs are anti-Russia, but things are even worse. The economy is crumbling. The national treasury is empty. The population is divided. Thousands of people was dead. Krym back to Russia and Donbass is almost lost for good.

    But unfortunately and painfully, Ukrainian public still do not realize this very fact. They are constantly brainwashed by the propaganda machines and are made to believe that Russia is the enemy. Everything bad is because of Russia. Russia bad in this. Russia bad in that. Blah blah blah blah.

    Even the innocent children are being indoctrinated to believe in a scum named Bandera aka Bandit Demonic Rapist.

    I respect the will of independence of each country. But honestly I cannot know, does stabbing their own economy and workshipping racist scums have anything to do with independence ?

    Sometimes I just want to tell the brainwashed people in Ukrainia: "Haven't you grown up yet ?"

    Goodbye, Ukraina. You are dying not because of Russia, but because of your own idiocy.
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    Post  arpakola on Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:30 pm

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics_ukraine_opinion/2014/10/22/06-13-18pm/ukraine_trillion_here_-_trillion_there
    Ukraine: A Trillion Here – A Trillion There (Merkel's paytime..)
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    As the military situation in Ukraine grinds to a stalemate, the still more desperate economic plight comes to the fore, laying bare the culpable folly of European diplomacy.

    In an earlier posting we had suggested that the unification of Germany could serve as a benchmark for the potential cost of any attempt to keep the implicit promise to Ukraine of EU accession, tossing out a guesstimate of one-half trillion Euros – an obviously impossible sum in the context of a European continent sliding into renewed recession.

    In a recent paper, Carnegie’s always incisive Dmitri Trenin has suggested that the actual cost of the reunification of Germany was closer to E1.5 trillion, albeit over a period of 23 years. While this latter number is almost certainly closer to the mark, given the realities it is no more than a substantial rounding error; Mr Poroshenko’s trip to Washington – from which he returned with a generous $52 million – suggests that the likelihood of Ukraine receiving anything like either number is identical – precisely nil.


    That's $50 mmm...million, with an "M"
    Since independence modern Ukraine has been at best a semi-functional state, stumbling along on legacy assets while no government, whether nominally pro-Russian (Yanukovich) or pro-western (Timoshenko/Yushchenko) made any meaningful attempt at real reform.

    This is hardly surprising – the various governments represented nothing more than the coalesced interests of one or the other oligarchic faction, themselves the ultimate beneficiaries of systematised corruption and inefficiency, which they have no conceivable interest in combatting.

    Neither Russia nor the West chose to (or were able to) impose reform from without. Western spin management certainly prepared the ground for the policy blunders which followed - the former darling of the Western media (now thankfully largely forgotten) Yulia Timoshenko built her multi-billion dollar fortune by stealing gas, consolidating control with the same brutal tactics employed in Russia by Mikhail Khodorkovsky in the mid-90s.


    Of course Ukraine can join the EU, right after Turkey and Albania!
    In recent weeks, the Western media have finally begun to deviate from the party line. The New York Times carried a piece on the Kiev Regime’s use of illegal cluster munitions to depopulate its former Eastern provinces. Bloomberg has started to run pieces on the total failure of the government in Kiev to carry out meaningful reform or anti-corruption campaigns. Are they preparing a retreat?

    The only thing we find surprising is that anyone should be remotely surprised – a government of oligarchs kept in power in part thanks to small, heavily armed fascist factions is certainly a most unlikely candidate to carry out sweeping reforms.

    Waiter – check please!

    As Winter draws nigh, the European Union finds itself embarrassed. It is dependent upon Russia for 30% of its gas – half of which still transits through Ukraine. Were Ukraine to resume stealing gas intended for the EU and were Russia to cut supplies in response, Europe most certainly would not freeze, but a substantial part of its industrial plant would shut down, sending the EU sliding from its current slow grind towards recession into outright economic collapse. As a result, the recent discussions in Milan were centred about a single pertinent question: how, precisely, is Europe going to pay Ukraine’s gas bills? A bridge loan is being cobbled together, with the likelihood of repayment in fine vanishingly slim.

    Needless to say – this is only the beginning. As Mr Trenin correctly notes, to keep Ukraine going as a functional, unitary state is going to require massive capital outlays; we need add only that such outlays will not encumber Washington – which will typically wash its hands of the entire matter and blame “the Russians” – but rather the EU.

    Brussels/Berlin shall be left to support the rump Ukraine – 40 million people, with some good agricultural assets (which alas, Europe is not short of) while Russia is compelled to support Novorossia – 2 million people in a largely devastated province, although with some operable industry and mines.

    Regardless of Mr Putin’s stated preference for the preservation of a unitary Ukraine, it seems most unlikely that, given the appalling violence visited upon them, the Eastern provinces will again accept any sovereignty of Kiev, instead coalescing into a mini-state under Russian protection - similar to South Ossetia or Abkhazia.

    Tacit a sudden and unforeseen outbreak of enlightened self-interest and skilled diplomacy in Germany, this de facto secession will remain an open ulcer, poisoning relations between Europe and Russia for years to come – and yes, greatly advancing the geostrategic interests of China.

    Blindfolded – at night

    What is most extraordinary is that this outcome was not only predictable, but indeed, that there was no other scenario imaginable. Led by Germany, European diplomacy stumbled into the Ukrainian imbroglio with nary a hint of a viable exit strategy. By allowing the Kiev regime a free hand to attempt ethnic cleansing of Lugansk/Donetsk - something which Russia would obviously never allow – they stood by as the Ukrainian State was damaged beyond repair, while the industrial economy collapsed.

    Reminiscent of the US invasion of Iraq – based upon little more than a profound faith that matters would somehow “work themselves out” (they have…though not quite as intended: enter ISIS) Europe has contributed to a geopolitical catastrophe for which it will most likely be paying for generations to come.

    As regards Russia, anyone wishing to spin this as a great geopolitical victory is delusional; Russia has been forced to respond to a crisis of other people’s making. President Putin was dealt a poor hand, though he has played it remarkably well. The political split with the West was not intended, but was forced upon him by aggressive Western diplomacy which allowed only the stark choice between submission and resistance; it shall have a profound impact upon Russia’s future geopolitical orientation – one which, whether or not it is ideal for Russia, shall certainly not prove remotely beneficial to the interests of the West.

    As regards Ukraine, at least in retrospect, his plan was obvious – play for time while the economic realities made themselves felt. Not just the arrival of General Winter rendering the situation suddenly acute, but also, the inability of the Poroshenko regime to satisfy an increasingly restive and angry populace and its radical right-wing nationalist factions.

    It was always a matter of time before the Kiev regime faced economic collapse and/or violent overthrow. The war in the East bought Poroshenko time by distracting from the looming economic collapse, while providing a convenient fig-leaf for the inability to reform. That time is now running out.

    Neither Europe nor the US have either the means or the willingness to step in to support Ukraine to the extent required. Loans (which will certainly never be repaid) shall be provided ad hoc by the EU, as required to stave off imminent catastrophe - while the usual suspects continue to divert whatever is available of their accustomed cashflows.

    At some point, as their personal situations become stressed, the Ukrainian oligarchy may well solicit a new offer from Russia – similar to Yanukovich’ ill-fated appeal to the Kremlin; given the amount of bad blood and violence seen, an Eastward turn by the rump Ukraine seems most unlikely. Instead, Ukraine is doomed to remain a perpetual accession candidate, peering longingly through the European shop window – more Albania than the Czech Republic.

    None of the options are palatable, and the present author is hard-pressed to imagine a blue-sky scenario. But the sheer incompetence of European diplomacy has been startling - In a world not remotely starved for crises, the present crisis appears as a unique failure, as Europe has allowed its vital CIS policy to be hijacked for the furtherance of the geopolitical agenda of militant Washington factions.
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    Post  Regular on Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:26 pm

    Check this out if You know Russian
    Pretty civil dialog between two sides. It makes me believe that peace can be an option in this whole mess.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:49 pm

    Regular wrote:Check this out if You know Russian
    Pretty civil dialog between two sides. It makes me believe that peace can be an option in this whole mess.

    According to the OSCE, the Ukrainian military has been guilty of the majority of the violations of  the 'truce', the whole peace thing is fake and unattainable:

    http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/144416-osce-tregua-violar-ejercito-ucrania?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome
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    Post  Regular on Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:48 am

    They spoke about third party in the war who fuels the fire. Shoots at both sides. Look at the video, they are same people, brothers. Ukrainians even called him a friend and mocked name terrorist. This video shows that this conflict is so fucked up.  No I read many comments from Ukrainians who got their eyes opened by it. Same as pro-sep russians.
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:11 am

    Regular wrote:They spoke about third party in the war who fuels the fire. Shoots at both sides. Look at the video, they are same people, brothers. Ukrainians even called him a friend and mocked name terrorist. This video shows that this conflict is so fucked up.  No I read many comments from Ukrainians who got their eyes opened by it. Same as pro-sep russians.

    Of course there are third parties fueling it, we know it since febuary without doubt and we know who those third party is like in the case of blackops and israeli soldiers on maidan, it is the West (US/UK/Israel) with some partial jobs for France,Germany and Poland.
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    Post  Regular on Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:39 am

    Yes or I believe that most artillery commands come from the offices in Kiev than from military. Soldiers don't know they are obliterating their own people.
    Among seps could be Kiev operatives there. Or some shady people who are not aligned to anyone. Don't forget mafia and oligarchs who try to kill each other even if they are on the same side.

    Do You remember the story about guys in jeep and mortar and they shelled from Slovensk and later they said to be shelling Slovensk itself. Both parties said they don't know who they are. There was reward of their capture.

    I think Russia is not interested in quick end of this conflict too. At least not yet. Russia would be interested in Ukraine finally hitting the rock bottom and becoming European liability while West would love Russia to be involved to cause economical downfall. It's not civil war, it's proxy war.  

    I love the way Mozgovoi said about Bandera worshipers.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:13 am

    Oh hoh hoh Cool

    http://rusmininfo.com/news/16-10-2014/minister-poland-ukraine-wants-receive-coal-poland-nothing
    http://wyborcza.biz/biznes/1,100969,16770066,Piechocinski__koncentrujemy_sie_na_akcji_ratowniczej.html
    http://www.tokfm.pl/Tokfm/1,103087,16805313,Piechocinski__Ukraina_chce_otrzymywac_polski_wegiel.html

    "We have heard that there is interest in the Polish coal on the Ukrainian side, but they want to get it for free. I was disgusted, to say the least. It is clear that the Ukrainian side is interested in the internationalization of the conflict", - Pehochinsky stated in an interview to the local media, Wyborcza.biz reports.

    Słyszymy, że jest zainteresowanie polskim węglem ze strony ukraińskiej, ale pod warunkiem, że będzie za darmo. Jestem tym zdegustowany, żeby tego nie nazwać mocniej. Widać wyraźnie, że także w imporcie węgla strona ukraińska jest zainteresowana umiędzynarodowianiem konfliktu - mówił Janusz Piechociński w Poranku TOK FM.
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    Post  arpakola on Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:32 pm



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    Post  arpakola on Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:37 pm

    После выборов Киев приступит к уничтожению Новороссии
    http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/6180-posle-vyborov-kiev-pristupit-k-unichtozheniyu-novorossii.html

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    В Новороссию отправляется добровольческий коммунистический отряд (видео)
    http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/6216-v-novorossiyu-otpravlyaetsya-dobrovolcheskiy-kommunisticheskiy-otryad-video.html


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    Post  etaepsilonk on Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:38 pm

    Regular wrote:They spoke about third party in the war who fuels the fire. Shoots at both sides. Look at the video, they are same people, brothers. Ukrainians even called him a friend and mocked name terrorist. This video shows that this conflict is so fucked up.  No I read many comments from Ukrainians who got their eyes opened by it. Same as pro-sep russians.

    Nice psy-ops, don't ya think? Wink
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    Post  arpakola on Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:06 pm

    Buried alive..!!
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:14 am

    History of ukraine from ancient times to this day


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    Post  gregoire on Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:55 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:History of ukraine from ancient times to this day


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    LOL. Correct!
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    Post  arpakola on Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:17 pm

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    http://en.cyplive.com/ru/news/doktor-liza-predstavitel-krasnogo-kresta-v-moskve-otkazal-v-pomoschi-iz-za-politiki-putina.html

    "Red Cross" politically engaged

    The Executive Director of the "Fair Aid" Elizaveta Glinka (Doctor Liza) reported that the International Committee of the Red Cross refused to cooperate with them to provide assistance to Ukrainian children on the grounds that he did not like the policy of the President of Russia.
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    Post  arpakola on Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:57 pm

    Батальон «Киев-2» не подчинился приказу АваковаТолько треть бойцов из подразделения отправилась в Киев на предстоящие выборы в парламент Украины.
    http://lifenews.ru/news/143501

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    Post  medo on Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:06 pm

    http://warsonline.info/ukraine/o-chislennosti-ukrainskoy-armii-v-predstoyaschem-nastuplenii-na-donbass.html

    Interesting article. If those numbers are correct, than situation is not that bad for Novorussia. According to article, Ukrainian army have around 20.000 soldiers and together with MVD and naciguard battalions and PS units, they have less than 40.000 soldiers (around 38.000). In total they have 220 tanks, around 600 other armor vehicles (BMPs, BTRs, BMDs, BRDMs) and around 350 peaces of artillery. Ukrainian military is superior in armor and artillery in ratio of 2:1, but in number of soldiers, they are 1:1, as Novorussian army have similar number of soldiers. I think winter offensive will be for Ukrainian army even more devastating as was summer offensive on Novorussia. They are still a large force and could do a lot of destruction, but they could not win the war. They lost majority of their best equipment and troops.
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    Post  arpakola on Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:44 pm

    http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/colonelcassad/19281164/465695/465695_1000.png

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:55 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:History of ukraine from ancient times to this day


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    I'll vote up tomorrow; don't have any votes left today.

    I like the one for 1917 most; it correctly indicates that the so-called "Ukraine" never existed before the events surrounding the 1917 "coup", in any shape or form, what so ever.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:01 pm

    @Morpheus, Komissar: Correct me if I am wrong but the Pravyy Sektor flag is put at the place of the feces, right ? tongue

    Well indeed Pravyy Sektor is just feces. tongue
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:44 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:@Morpheus, Komissar: Correct me if I am wrong but the Pravyy Sektor flag is put at the place of the feces, right ? tongue

    Well indeed Pravyy Sektor is just feces. tongue

    I agree; I think you are right.
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:49 am

    Re-elections. Porkyshenko's party won, but by what? 23%? Pathetic.

    Now the weasel Yatsenyuk is going to form a bloc with Porky's party so the whole thing is a farce anyway.

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