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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Firebird on Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:19 pm

    INfact a "peace rally" can be considered just as much a protest vs NATO as anything else.

    It wasnt Putin that put Shite Sektor in. It wasnt Putin that invaded Iraq, Afghan and smashed up Syria, Libya etc.
    Putin freed the Crimea, preventing huge massacres without a single drop of blood spilt.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  etaepsilonk on Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:32 pm

    Hahaha, now this is pure gold Very Happy

    "Ukraine will withdraw troops from Donbas only after Russia withdraws it's own troops"
    http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/world/ukraina-paskelbe-isvesianti-savo-karius-is-donbaso-tik-pasitraukus-rusijos-pajegoms.d?id=65905230

    "C'mon, vova, at least call-off taman division" Laughing

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  sepheronx on Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:39 pm

    I would ask for them to point out whom are the Russian soldiers in Ukraine, provide the evidence as such, and then they can start talking.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Werewolf on Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:40 pm

    etaepsilonk wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Well, Moscow is saying 5,000.  Some idiot in RT is claiming 25,000.  The numbers are just to far out there and makes this whole thing just a joke.

    The estimates vary depending on whether or not journalists and policemen were also counted Wink


    And, according to nemtsov, up to 100 thousand may have taken part.

    Dunno how that was counted, probably includes people who wanted to go, but were prevented by secret services.

    You mean this Nemtsov who runs in and out of US embassy for instructions?

    00:20 Boris Nemtsov.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  etaepsilonk on Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:45 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I would ask for them to point out whom are the Russian soldiers in Ukraine, provide the evidence as such, and then they can start talking.


    Here you go, a soldier with newest AK-100 rifle, used exclusively by russian special forces:




    Werewolf wrote:
    You mean this Nemtsov who runs in and out of US embassy for instructions?

    00:20 Boris Nemtsov.

    No, that's his clone, made by GRU in order to discredit a true russian patriot.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  kvs on Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:11 am

    This what happens when people try to demonstrate in Kharkov against the regime and its butchery:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kz1-rUvmEoA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=joeGd6ip4MY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cDx5v-Q3xKs


    I bet the western media will have no coverage of this fine example of "European values". They are only concerned
    with BSing about Russia. Nobody disrupted the march of the 5th column in Moscow. The couldn't even pull together
    500 in St. Petersburg.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Vann7 on Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:12 am

    sepheronx wrote:http://ria.ru/society/20140921/1025012853.html

    So it was 5000 people, not 50,000?  And it was semi highjacked by pro Ukrainians?

    Go figure.  What was the outcome in St.Petersburg then?

    Thats part of the game..

    The White house demand their agents in Russia to create a big rally in Russia at all cost.. no matter the reason..
    it could be to declare the day of no farts. its doesn't matter what you tell them.. and excuse you use.. the only
    important thing for the white house for now is a big rally ,that could be sell in the media as an Anti- PUtin Rally
    by their media..   So this is why the protest was " pro-Peace"  because was the only thing they could get people
    to attend. Wink

    Nobody in Russia oppose peace.. so the important thing was to lure people into attend to any rally under the
    excuse" of "promoting peace." The later the white house send their minions ,their real agents a couple of hundreds ,
    and go a show Ukrainian Flags in the rally or show Anti-Putin flags.. the interesting thing about this western financed rallies is that if you make a referendum right there at the rally ...a significant number of them will support Russia actions in Ukraine and Putin clear peace policy. But that doesn't matter.. as long as they create a massive big rally.. you can hijack the protest against anything you want and made it look in the media ,that it was an anti- Putin rally... etc..

    So this is how it work.. the white house and nuland cronies cannot tell them.. that the rally is a try to destabilize Russia or disband it in many parts.. because no one will go. So naturally the only way they could get so big rally is if 1) you pay them.. 2) you tell them is a rally for peace between Ukraine and Russia.


    What they are not told is that the money they receive comes from the US Congress..and the real intention is to use
    the rally as at starting point for many more.. Once people get the taste of easy money in a "noble cause" that is "peace" the second rally they go ask the same people again for another.. but this time they increase just a little the politics and instead of Peace.. they will demand Russia to remove their military troops.. from eastern Ukraine.. etc..
    Now that will be a rally that will put some pressure on the kremlin and will work much better for the west against Putin. And lets not forget that the Euromaidan rallies in kiev where ALSO for a good cause too.. for Joining the EU ,against Oligarch , in favor of more social spending , against Corruption.. But in real practice the Euromaidan protest what it did,was to break a nation and get their nation lose its Independence and create conditions for a major war against Russia.   .  Had the Euromaidans explained ,what were the real goals of western NGO's money ,that it was for a very Dark agenda ,against their own nation.. not many will have supported it. So this is always the trick.. ..that always the west always show "good intentions" when giving away money for people to protest... but as soon people turn around ,a knife is stabbed at their backs and their families get killed ,once they get all things the way the west wanted.  Look at Poroshenko now.. even the idiot is begging the west
    to help them against Russia.. he was fooled too.. The west did not wanted to fight Russia directly ,and the real goal of the white house was to use Ukraine as a battlefield to fight Russia. To fight Russia to the last blood of Ukrainian people. was their goal.. and when no longer more Ukrainians are left alive ,use baltic states and Poland .


    Is a psicological tactic.. used a lot to get people to do things they will never do.. like Women and porn.. Porn Industry first lure women by telling them ,that they work for many advertising companies and need good looking ladies for the job.. in bikinis. Later when they do the job ,they little by little increase the petition by doubling the pay. To show semi undressed and then later in in the end they accept a real sex scene with any stranger for money.. they become so addicted for easy money ,that they throw away all their values out of the window. Since the west can print empty money of no value all the time.. they can keep printing endlessly money and finance revolutions with its artificial american currency. the same tactic to lure girls into the porn industry ,is similar tactic used to lure people in rallies against their own government. First peace.. the second one will become more political and the third even more and the fourth or the number 10th.. will not hide what were the real intentions of the rally.

    The real danger however comes if more rallies are organized after a second or third one.. Because thats when the agents of provocations are invited to do their part.. basically you hire people to attack Police , then another one with a rally with A Gun shoot at their own people in the rally.. later is blamed on Russian Government and Putin..
    The kiev Snipers at Euromaidan were all hired by the white house.. and they were a classic example of agents that its job is to provoke two sides to fight.

    About the laws.. it can be difficult to monitor that.. because For example the money can come from Legal Business ,ie.. McDonalds. That anyone tells you if you attend to this rally you will be raised your salary next month.. etc.. So the paid is not made directly but indirectly.. The White House is Full of Crocks and NUlan/CIA Scum with plenty of experience in deception and young people and some old one blinded by their hate for something the government did against their illegal business .  So to stop such financed political rallies can become near impossible as long Russia is an open economy that embrace investment in Russia and depends of western money.  In Cuba for example or CHina such rallies are not possible not even if they claim is "for peace".  But in the end.. i don't think there is any cause for alarm.. as long as Russia have a strong Government with a working economy with a lot of future and with the massive support of its people.. such rallies will do nothing to change anything in Russia.. Look at venezuelan Protest.. they also were paid.. and they were blocking streets and business .. But after 1 month.. the students got tired of tear gas and being beaten...  Just remember that Not even USA ,that is the one who wrote the book of how to overthrow governments using the trojan horse tools of freedom of expression and media with manipulation of people minds.. is immune to rallies.. They not long ago have blacks in the streets protesting their government . So there is nothing to fear , what will be bad is if you start using force to crush a non violent rally that even on the surface appears to promote peace.

    IF RUssia society were better informed about how Evil are the US elite that they accept to receive their money.. how filled with blood is their american money they receive .. they will not accept to participate not even in peace activism and will not show at any conference or anything,it will simply be avoided like aids or ebola today.. and there will be ZERO protest in Russia sponsored from abroad.. and the only protest will be real ones that comes from any law that they believe is a bad one.. like laws against Freedom of Internet.. etc..

    And good video that shows how totally corrupt ,morally bankrupt and evil are western elite in their tactics to break nations.. it will explain you why Cuba and IRAN are not fully democratic governments . is simply not possible at times ,specially when your nation is an strategic place that US needs to control and your government do not have the resources to fight back. Ukrainians and georgians will love the next video ..the source comes from nothing less than an AMERICAN professor lecturer of political sciences. That he explain how his Government Tyranny operates.



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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Mike E on Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:27 am

    Good job Ukraine, good job...

    Russia to replace defense imports from Ukraine in 2.5 years, says vice premier

    Rogozin expressed deep regrets that the Ukrainian industry was what he said “finished off” due to the policy of official Kiev

    MOSCOW, September 22. /ITAR-TASS/. In two-and-a-half years, Russia will substitute all imports for its military-industrial complex from Ukraine lost due to the Ukraine crisis, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Sunday.
    Rogozin expressed deep regrets that the Ukrainian industry was what he said “finished off” due to the policy of official Kiev.
    “We had some hope at the end of last year that we would manage to remedy the situation,” he said in Sunday Evening with Vladimir Solovyov TV programme.
    “At that time, President Vladimir Putin took maximum effort to rescue Ukraine from the tail spin it got into, including a tail spin for the economy, the industry of that country”.
    Rogozin recalled his trip to industrial enterprises of Ukraine, in which he had inspected practically all important defense enterprises, met with renowned scientists and engineers who favoured cooperation with Russia.
    “We agreed to set up joint engineering centers,” he said. “All could have been remedied, but on February 21, when a coup took place, I was to leave for Kiev upon a presidential instruction. I stopped the car as it was approaching the airport as it was clear that it was all over with Ukraine,” Rogozin said.
    Ukraine has been in deep crisis since the end of last year, when then-President Viktor Yanukovich suspended the signing of an association agreement with the European Union to study the deal more thoroughly. The move triggered mass riots that eventually led to a coup in February 2014.
    The Crimean Peninsula did not accept the coup-imposed authorities in Kiev. It seceded from Ukraine and reunified with Russia in mid-March 2014 after a referendum following some 60 years as part of Ukraine.
    Crimea’s example apparently inspired residents of Ukraine’s southeast who did not recognize the coup-imposed authorities either, formed militias and started fighting for their rights.
    Kiev’s military operation designed to regain control over the breakaway Donetsk and Lugansk regions, which on May 11 proclaimed their independence at local referendums and now call themselves the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s republics, involves armored vehicles, heavy artillery and attack aviation and has claimed hundreds of civilian lives and caused hundreds of thousands of people to flee Ukraine’s southeast.


     - Here's one on the "special status" from RIA; http://en.ria.ru/world/20140922/193158002/Kiev-to-Create-Defense-Line-Border-Control-Around--Areas-With-Special-Status.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  kvs on Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:39 am

    This is solid proof that the Kiev regime are total stooges of foreign powers. There is no way any rational human being would consign millions of jobs
    into oblivion just to stick it to Russia. Look around the world, people who had long and bloody periods of history still do business together. Western Ukrainians were Russia's enemies when they were fighting for the benefit of foreign powers. In WWII it was for Nazi Germany, and there were centuries of peace before then. The western Ukrainians love butcher Bandera and think he is a national hero. Bandera is hated by over 50% of Ukraine's population. Their fathers and grandfathers fought against him and his masters during WWII.

    Western Ukraine should properly be a separate country. It has a distinct culture and even religion. This is the part that always tries to dominate the rest of the country. They also sneer with contempt at the majority of Ukrainians who they think are "Russified". There was never any Russification policy in Ukraine, especially not under the Soviets. The Soviets did everything they could to promote the Ukrainian language and culture. In fact, it was the Soviets that created the Ukraine in its 1991 borders by gifting it the south and the east. The south and east have a long history of their own and a distinct culture.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  NationalRus on Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:08 am

    just have read a awesome joke about ukraine

    2 Jews from Ukraine meet in Warsaw:
    "Hey Jakov, how are things in Ukraine?"
    "They are at war with Russia!"
    "Damn! and how is it going?"
    "We lost nearly all our airforce, several thousends soldiers death more wounded, hundreeds of tanks and other heavy equipment destroyed or captured."
    "And Russia???"
    "Well... they didn't showed up"

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:38 am



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    Colonel CASSAD in the photo


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    Strelkov on the famous "mysterious" forum commented on the Minsk memorandum 2.0
    http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/2014/09/21/
    Actually that about "the necessity of which the Bolsheviks have always spoken" has been accomplished [note from the translator: this Lenin quote became a famous Russian idiom] – the Ukies overcame their panic, regrouped, prepared for new battles, and now they clearly demonstrate that they would agree only to one possible development of these events: a complete capitulation of Russia in Novorussia. "Brilliant successes of peacemakers" of Surkov-Lavrov-Zurabov group once again lead the president to the very same choice that he faced a month ago: either a decisive war (now with even higher losses and costs) or a shameful capitulation (up next – Crimea and "Milošević scenario"). The military action was stopped precisely for achieving this goal. Only one question remains to be asked: for how much longer can Surkov obviously deceive Putin by presenting his "virtual successes" as real accomplishments? And for how long will the President be sure that Surkov and Co. remain under his control? In his day the deposed Napoleon said on St. Helena island (close to the source): "if I would hang Talleyrand and Fouché in proper time, then I would still rule over France!" And this was said by a great statesman who was also sure that he would outmaneuver the plotters in his circle..."

    Who says that "everything is bad"? Everything will be bad only in if the President will make a suicidal step of accepting the terms of Party of Treason that are put under as "the only possible decision". And the latest steps and the rhetoric of various riffraff (starting from Zhirinovsky-the-buffoon) suggest that nobody is going to "dump" Novorossia. The only problem is that they are trying to conduct new politics using "old hands" – that is, through people who constitutionally can't stand it. Correspondingly, the results are good for nothing and instead of brilliant successes there are losses and ridiculous affectations around the various "open secrets" (this is when the whole world knows and one's own population doesn't know).


    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.gr/2014/09/september-21-ukraine-and-russia-mini.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:14 pm

    Video of vehicle repair plant and mortar production plant of Novorossia.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgjA0t-cC8

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:21 pm

    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.gr/2014/09/september-21-ukraine-and-russia-mini.html
    Demonstrations in Russia:

    According to RT, 5'000 to 26'000 people have marched in the streets of Moscow demanding peace in the Ukraine.  According to Vzgliad,20 people demonstrated in Petrozavodsk and Saratov, 50 in Perm, up to 100 in Ekaterinburg, 10 in Novosibirsk, 15 in Syktyvkar and a few people in Barnaul.  What are important here are not the actual figures, but the order of magnitude.  What we clearly see is that these demonstrations were tiny, at least by Russian standards and when RT's  Anissa Naouai reports that there was a "very high turnout" she is plain wrong.  Also, and this is no less important, let us be very careful about what these demonstrations were all about: for peace in the Ukraine and against war.  With such a vague and yet doubleplusgoodmeaning slogan, even refugees from bombed out Donetsk could agree (maybe even especially them).

    What we have here is a typical propaganda ploy: get people in the streets in support of peace, love and happiness all over the world, and then present that as an "opposition" protest against the government policies.  But, come on, seriously, who wants war in the Ukraine?  The Kremlin?  

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    this how NATO and KIEV understand peace..
    Tochka-U hit Donietsk !! (20-9-2014)


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    an other Kievs peace initiative..
    The Kiev basketball team played in Lithuania against Russia wearing 'cammo sport's gear'

    They lost 77 to 102

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:31 pm

    views..


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  NationalRus on Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:03 pm

    we have also a multimedia thread for videos and pics, how about we keep it orgenized and post it ther, a lot of the videos are getting double posted by now

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:21 pm

    NationalRus wrote:just have read a awesome joke about ukraine

    2 Jews from Ukraine meet in Warsaw:
    "Hey Jakov, how are things in Ukraine?"
    "They are at war with Russia!"
    "Damn! and how is it going?"
    "We lost nearly all our airforce, several thousends soldiers death more wounded, hundreeds of tanks and other heavy equipment destroyed or captured."
    "And Russia???"
    "Well... they didn't showed up"

    We negatives to this? I found it funny!

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:56 pm

    Oligarchs... are everywhere the same...

    Yuri Korolef and Katerina Seklanova’s aristocratic wedding took place in Elia, Mykonos. 200 rich and famous friends of the couple arrived on the island courtesy of the bride’s father, Russian banker Sergei Seklanov. Together with their friends, they enjoyed a glamorous night which will remain unforgettable. Two known bands from Russia and the rock star Chris Norman entertained the guests, who were dressed to the nines. The guests were treated to 150 kilos of fresh lobster, 1500 bottles of champagne, and 100 kilos of delicious cake. Another stand out was the bride’s bouquet which was made of golden leaves. The bride was showered with champagne by the groom, while cake was distributed across the 1000 square metre venue. It was the bride’s wish to have her wedding in Mykonos, which cost her father an estimated 2 million euros! The wedding was organized by Daktilidi family, whose hotel housed all of the wedding guests. Mykonos Live Tv has exclusive footage from the lavish wedding party  

    I wonder how many trucks with aid to Donbass can be filled with 2 M euros.
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    the 5th phalanx (column)..that Cassad is talking about ?

    http://www.rumafia.com/news.php?id=55 ( Idont respect at all this site .. but .. here there is some info ..)
    In February 2009 it became known that Vitino was acquired by structures of the trader "Rusneftehim", which co-owners are considered to be Maxim Pukhlikov and Sergei Sheklanov. According to BTA Bank "Rusneftehim" actually manages terminals in Vitino, Mr. Pukhlikov through a chain of offshore companies owns 49% of the company Lux Investment Ltd (owns Usarel) and other companies in the port Vitino, while Mukhtar Ablyazov owns 51%.  


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  medo on Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:05 pm

    http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201409221143-x5bf.htm

    Ukrainian president Porosenko confirm, that 60 - 65% of Ukrainian army equipment is destroyed in Novorussian front. Practically Ukrainian army lost 2/3 of their equipment, so it would not last long to lost the last third of equipment. Novorussian army is becoming equal.



    Novorussian army is growing and could now form 3 divisions. With such tempo in two months they will have more than 40.000 or 4 full divisions, what will be enough to liberate DNR and LNR and to defend them.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:29 pm

    medo wrote:http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201409221143-x5bf.htm

    Ukrainian president Porosenko confirm, that 60 - 65% of Ukrainian army equipment is destroyed in Novorussian front. Practically Ukrainian army lost 2/3 of their equipment, so it would not last long to lost the last third of equipment. Novorussian army is becoming equal.



    Novorussian army is growing and could now form 3 divisions. With such tempo in two months they will have more than 40.000 or 4 full divisions, what will be enough to liberate DNR and LNR and to defend them.
    take care..
    this is a good reason for him, an excuse, to demand new NATO heavy weapons..
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:29 pm

    @Arpak

    They should strip these 5th coloumnists wealth, divide it up to the sectors of the economy that neess investment, and bar these people from coming back or kick them out. Let them steal UK money or US money.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  TheGeorgian on Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:06 pm

    Vann7 wrote:@KVS

    Go post there this video..

    they lost tanks in the hundreds.

    I highly doubt that. It's very likely the US lost around 40-100 tanks ( like out of commission losses ) in those 10-11 years but not "by the hundreds".

    To topic. Putin can't pull the handbreak anymore. He started it and now there is no retreat. US on the other hand is playing the diplomacy card. Refusing to support and arm Ukraine much to Poroshenkos worries. Fighting ISIS in Iraq, supporting the kurds .... fighting Ebola outbreak in Africa togheter with NATO / UN etc. Every single event and decision is all routine play. I wonder in what way Putin's gonna try to meet all the expectations and hopes of his followers.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  medo on Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:11 pm

    arpakola wrote:
    medo wrote:http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201409221143-x5bf.htm

    Ukrainian president Porosenko confirm, that 60 - 65% of Ukrainian army equipment is destroyed in Novorussian front. Practically Ukrainian army lost 2/3 of their equipment, so it would not last long to lost the last third of equipment. Novorussian army is becoming equal.



    Novorussian army is growing and could now form 3 divisions. With such tempo in two months they will have more than 40.000 or 4 full divisions, what will be enough to liberate DNR and LNR and to defend them.

    take care..
    this is a good reason for him, an excuse, to demand new NATO heavy weapons..

    He will demand new weapons from NATO, but I doubt NATO want to disarm himself in that way. They already send a lot of weapons to ME to arm Al Qaeda and Kurds. Sending heavy weapons to Ukraine to be destroyed in few months or weeks is not what NATO want.

    I think Porosenko will go for ceasefire more seriously as Ukrainian army is not capable for winter war and will only keep the lines and wait for spring for new operations and in the mean time to produce and repare more equipment for army. Problem is, that hardcore nazis are not for ceasefire and will soon throw Porosenko for capitulation. In one way I hope, Nazis will go for winter offensive as than will be destruction of Ukrainian army and naziguard far worse as it was now. Their full destruction will soon bring peace to Ukraine, because in this way Kiev junta will be ready to recognize independent Novorussia that they could keep their power in Kiev and in rest of Ukraine. I think in a year or two, time will be proper for dividing Ukraine in two independent halfs and to reach real peace there.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  arpakola on Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:21 pm

    An instructive leaflet from Pavlograd, which is occupied by the fascists. Its presence sort of suggests that there is somebody to catch and some, even if weak, but acting resistance to Ukrainian fascism actually exists in the city.
    And before they liked to tell us that it was only the Bloody Gebnya that encouraged informants, but here it is – expose one's neighbor because he's a damned separatist.



    Expose a separatist!
    He:
    1. Hates Ukraine, its language, culture, and symbols.
    2. Spreads the rumors that "our forces" will soon enter Dnepropetrovsk, Pavlograd, Ternovka, and Pershotravensk.
    3. Tells stories of how the Ukrainian soldiers shoot little children and women.
    4. Spreads the rumors of murder and terror acts that "are being prepared by the Ukrainian army and authorities".
    5. Calls Ukrainians "Benderovites", "fascist hordes", and "cattle".
    6. Despises Crimean tartars and assures everybody that Crimea is a "primordially Russian territory".
    7. Adores Putin's Russia and is ready to fall on his knees at the sight of Russian tanks.

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    Greetings to SURKOV for the great job done so far...

    1. As we wrote before, the trajectory of the line that leads to a certain semblance of "Large Transnistria" is explained by the desire of the Russian Federation to avoid the direct confrontation with the West. And this is exactly the main spring of the negotiating process. It is quite obvious that this "new Transnistria" won't remain in Ukraine.

    2. The future of Novorossia is no more than a bargaining chip here: if they'll agree in one way, then there will be one future, if they'll agree in a different way – another future. If they won't agree altogether – yet another future.
    Not much actually depends here on the political leadership of Novorossia, they are in a subordinate position with respect to the current political line of Moscow and they are fully dependent on shipments of the humanitarian aid. However, there is a factor of "armed people", who have a very negative view of what is happening, but for now their discontent is purely verbal.

    3. Regarding the pharisaic cry of "Winter will come, it will be bad" – providing the population in the rear strip is possible even during the ongoing war, thankfully in the DPR and the LPR there are more than enough areas that are completely cleaned from the junta military. The necessity of shipping food and fuel to Krasnodon or Yenakiyevo is not changed in any way by whether there is a war going on somewhere in the Dnieper area. Building life there and driving the junta further back are not mutually exclusive concepts. So, when I hear the argument of "winter is coming", then I involuntarily doubt the psychiatric well-being of such a person (well, except for the paid characters, who have to translate this BS in the media). If there was a strong desire to save the lives of people (as they tell us), then there were possibilities for this associated with a military intervention in the spring and also along with more expeditious work of the "military surplus store" in the summer. Otherwise, it ends up like this: first they melancholically observed as thousands of people perished and the infrastructure of the life of a couple of millions was destroyed and then they suddenly yelled "winter is coming, time to wrap it up". Formally this seems to be right, but essentially this is a disgusting joke.

    4. The fact that the junta military is retreating from encirclements clearly suggests that there are certain backstage agreements on the separation of territory that is controlled by Novorossia and the junta. Of course the field commanders are strictly against the fact that they are left with a bombarded and defective stump of two regions instead of the desired Novorossia. From this originate the demands in the spirit of "at least drive the junta out of the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions". Meanwhile, the junta is forced to retreat from encirclements in which its military were sitting. At the same time it continues to destroy Donbass infrastructure. Overall, by the last decade of September the beneficial possibility of routing major junta groups that sat in cauldrons and suspicious protrusions was lost. It was exchanged for a "piece of paper that means nothing".

    5. The vindicators of the agreement in the beginning told us that this agreement is a worthless piece of paper, then they told us that Kuchma is a nobody, then that nobody among those who had to sign it actually signed it, and those who signed it had a wrong status. Actually, we see a step-by-step plan on creating of a stump of Novorossia with a certain configuration, which is being implemented to the extent of the abilities of its masters. The role of Kuchma is the role of damper-gasket, in order to soften the effect of the ongoing cluster---- so that people wouldn't go nuts when Yatsenyuk, Turchinov, or Poroshenko would sit opposite of Zurabov.
    Those who tried to present this piece of paper as something inessential were at best engaged in self-deception. At worst – they simply service a certain line directed at creating a certain informational camouflage around this piece of paper.

    6. However, the hopes of being able to buy a respite in escalation of tensions with the West and slow down the roll of sanctions at the price of such an exchange of Novorossia appear delusive even now. The West already effectively saved the junta from a direct military defeat in Donbass. Now, by occupying the dominating positions, it is pushing its variant of solving the issue. Meanwhile, it is not forgetting about Crimea, which is now a convenient hook for introducing absolutely arbitrary sanction packages. Together with a fortifying position in Donbass, this gives the USA a convenient and quite cheap set of instruments for pressuring Russia, which includes the use of the fascist junta that preserved its power in Kiev. Those who counted on the war leading to the next Nuremberg can consider themselves free of their expectations, at least for now. If one of the main sponsors of mass murder is now considered to be a respectable politician "who needs to be saved" in Moscow, then the majority of main sponsors and executors of the bloodbath will definitely avoid the responsibility. However, the characters like Kolomoisky, Korban, Filatov, Lyashko, Semenchenko, Yarosh, and a number of other people may come to harm in the end, including physical harm. Some little guys will of course be designated one way or another. The fascist discontent with one or another aspect of the collusion is inessential – the American puppets have no vote in the questions of global exchanges. In some other conditions they could lose a number of other regions and if Washington would pull certain threads, then no matter how much Lyashko would write in Facebook, the masses would obediently accept such a decision too.

    7. Whether this particular collusion will be pushed to the end is not yet a given. In Novorossia itself and in Russia there is a serious opposition to this course, which is why an informational campaign under the banner of "such good and beautiful is this piece of paper that means absolutely nothing" was required. The stupidity or the necessity to serve the line of protecting the commercial interests of the Russian oligarchy, which is under threat, is a quite nutritional soil for translating such view. However, because such a course looks so unpresentable, it is quite hard to implement it using orders – they are afraid of overturning the thread. The frog needs to be boiled slowly, so that people wouldn't be able to understand how they ended up in a new depressive Transnistria instead of Novorossia. It only remains to wait for the collective decision of the military.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #9

    Post  Werewolf on Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:38 pm

    TheGeorgian wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:@KVS

    Go post there this video..

    they lost tanks in the hundreds.

    I highly doubt that. It's very likely the US lost around 40-100 tanks ( like out of commission losses ) in those 10-11 years but not "by the hundreds".  

    To topic. Putin can't pull the handbreak anymore. He started it and now there is no retreat. US on the other hand is playing the diplomacy card. Refusing to support and arm Ukraine much to Poroshenkos worries. Fighting ISIS in Iraq, supporting the kurds .... fighting Ebola outbreak in Africa togheter with NATO / UN etc. Every single event and decision is all routine play. I wonder in what way Putin's gonna try to meet all the expectations and hopes of his followers.

    Are your braincells dying fast?

    What did Putin start and how is USA playing the diplomacy card when it is russia that is trying diplomatic, while US is arming Nazis and creating PR atrocities like the MH-17 based on CIA projects as Operation Northwoods?

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