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    TheArmenian

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    Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:23 pm

    Here is how the 2 newly built Project 12418 (Tarantul) missile ships will look like when they are completed by the shipyard in Rybinsk.
    The boats will enter service in 2019 and will be armed with the 260 km range Xh-35 Uran.




    A picture of the "Stealth" modification of the AK630 in testing.

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    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:10 pm

    This is how the 2 new built Tarantuls will look like after completion in the shipyard in Rybinsk.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:48 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:This is how the 2 new built Tarantuls will look like after completion in the shipyard in Rybinsk.


    Finally an image of these boats, thanks Armenian thumbsup

    Looking good. Reminds me of what they did with Svetlak-class for Coast Guard.

    They should take any reasonably recent Tarantul they have and convert them into these, strike while the iron is hot.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:23 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    TheArmenian wrote:This is how the 2 new built Tarantuls will look like after completion in the shipyard in Rybinsk.


    Finally an image of these boats, thanks Armenian thumbsup

    Looking good. Reminds me of what they did with Svetlak-class for Coast Guard.

    They should take any reasonably recent Tarantul they have and convert them into these, strike while the iron is hot.  

    I would sell those to india or vietnam so they see the difference with what they already have and try to buy more of them or upgrade existing ones.

    Karakurt are better than this. Don't lose money on them even if they are good.
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    Tarantuls νες

    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:18 am

    Isos wrote:......
    I would sell those to india or vietnam so they see the difference with what they already have and try to buy more of them or upgrade existing ones.

    Karakurt are better than this. Don't lose money on them even if they are good.

    Sell nearly completed ships at a time when their surface Navy is in the middle of crippling vessel shortage?

    Did I miss some fresh news​ since this morning?

    And how are they losing money on these upgraded Tarantuls? They were losing money when they were letting them rot incomplete while in storage at the shipyard.

    They are finally getting the money back.

    If India or Vietnam want them they are free to place an order any day of the week. Sooner they order them sooner construction will start.
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    Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:21 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:......
    I would sell those to india or vietnam so they see the difference with what they already have and try to buy more of them or upgrade existing ones.

    Karakurt are better than this. Don't lose money on them even if they are good.

    Sell nearly completed ships at a time when their surface Navy is in the middle of crippling vessel shortage?

    Did I miss some fresh news​ since this morning?

    And how are they losing money on these upgraded Tarantuls? They were losing money when they were letting them rot incomplete while in storage at the shipyard.

    They are finally getting the money back.

    If India or Vietnam want them they are free to place an order any day of the week. Sooner they order them sooner construction will start.
    Any idea who those were those hulls originally ordered by?

    Earlier article on these boats: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/july-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/6346-russian-navy-to-get-two-upgraded-molniya-class-missile-boats.html
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    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:36 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:......
    I would sell those to india or vietnam so they see the difference with what they already have and try to buy more of them or upgrade existing ones.

    Karakurt are better than this. Don't lose money on them even if they are good.

    Sell nearly completed ships at a time when their surface Navy is in the middle of crippling vessel shortage?

    Did I miss some fresh news​ since this morning?

    And how are they losing money on these upgraded Tarantuls? They were losing money when they were letting them rot incomplete while in storage at the shipyard.

    They are finally getting the money back.

    If India or Vietnam want them they are free to place an order any day of the week. Sooner they order them sooner construction will start.

    They have started karakurt which are fast to be build. Buying less capable ships armed with less capable weapons is loosing money.

    Those missile boats won't make their navy bigger.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:42 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:.......
    Any idea who those were those hulls originally ordered by?

    Earlier article on these boats: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2018/july-2018-navy-naval-defense-news/6346-russian-navy-to-get-two-upgraded-molniya-class-missile-boats.html

    They were ordered for Soviet/Russian Navy but they laid incomplete for years. They decided to complete them in upgraded setup recently.


    Isos wrote:.....They have started karakurt which are fast to be build. Buying less capable ships armed with less capable weapons is loosing money.

    Those missile boats won't make their navy bigger.

    Having more ships in Navy makes Navy bigger. Basic logic.

    These ships may be smaller but they are also cheaper.

    Russian Navy is in no position to be picky. They fucked up frigates, corvettes are barely scraping by and as for anything larger forget about it for next several decades at least.

    Missile ships are only thing that gets done. Take what you can. Being whiny and picky is how they got into this mess in the first place.
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    Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  Hole on Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:53 pm

    You don´t need big ships in the Baltic Sea.

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    Post  miroslav on Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:16 pm

    I like the stealthy Ak-630 but isn't the plan to armed them with Pantsir-M for "real" AD capabilities.

    I'm guessing that this is an early concept picture of how the ships where meant to look like????

    Any way, if the Panstir-M is now ready, given its installment on the new Karakuts, than that is the right and only choice for any new missile boat.

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    Post  xeno on Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:21 am

    Yes, the CGI above is old. The new 1241 will have Pantsir-M and phased antenna array just as 22800's.
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    Post  hoom on Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:37 pm

    2nd Project 11982 hydrographic ship Ladoga has gone into service https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B018/

    1st is in BSF, I believe has been recently involved in recovering the Il-20 wreckage off Syria
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    Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  franco on Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:35 am

    Navy received last 2 Raptors (03160) of the second order. That makes 14 in service. Apparently according to the article there is a third order for another 10 units. In addition there are a couple of the similar but slightly smaller 02510 plus an order for 6 of the half size 02800, at least 2 of which have been delivered. These craft are used for Naval base patrol and protection along with the 138 tonne Grachonok (21980) anti-saboteur gun boat. Of these 16 out of an order of 22 have been delivered.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3376609.html

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    Re: Auxilliary vessels, Special-purpose and minor naval ships

    Post  hoom on Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:01 am

    2* project 23131 tankers laid down at Kerch in 2014 are 'missing' https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B21/
    Official sources refuse to comment.
    Staff have said 'no work is being done on such project'.

    The obvious cause is corruption but I think it can also be explained otherwise.

    Since 2014 Zaliv has got a bunch of other jobs (3*22800, the two cable layers, 2*22160 & more, also apparently has been doing a bunch of building bits of the Crimea River Bridge) -> quite possible the ships didn't advance far before being pushed aside (maybe even scrapped) to work on higher priority stuff.
    Also with the cable layers delayed due to need for import substitution on key parts, the drydock is occupied.

    On the other hand if its just that it shouldn't be too hard to get an official statement along those lines...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:05 pm

    hoom wrote:2* project 23131 tankers laid down at Kerch in 2014 are 'missing' https://flotprom.ru/2018/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B21/
    Official sources refuse to comment.
    Staff have said 'no work is being done on such project'.

    The obvious cause is corruption but I think it can also be explained otherwise.

    Since 2014 Zaliv has got a bunch of other jobs (3*22800, the two cable layers, 2*22160 & more, also apparently has been doing a bunch of building bits of the Crimea River Bridge) -> quite possible the ships didn't advance far before being pushed aside (maybe even scrapped) to work on higher priority stuff.
    Also with the cable layers delayed due to need for import substitution on key parts, the drydock is occupied.

    On the other hand if its just that it shouldn't be too hard to get an official statement along those lines...



    Or more likely that locals assumed that it will be business as usual while someone at the mainland thought that whole Crimea thing will be rolled back and decided to make some quick bucks

    Never underestimate stupidity of 60s-70s Soviet born generation

    This explanation reeks of habits developed in modern day Ukraine, time to get some names and start inserting bayonets into happy holes as an example for locals who still harbor those habits
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    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 22, 2018 5:33 pm

    Beautiful photo! Yuriy Ivanov-class intelligence ship Ivan Khurs (Commissioned in 2018) and the 462 meters tall Lakhta center.

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    Post  George1 on Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:52 pm

    The icebreaker of project 21180М was laid for Russian Navy



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