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    Post  George1 on Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:44 am

    "Khabarovsk" project 09851


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    Post  George1 on Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:13 am

    special purpose submarine Khabarovsk. It will be the first production vehicle of a new weapon system, which was worked out on the submarine pr.20120 "Sarov"

    http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-812.html
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    Post  George1 on Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:31 am

    Here're some of the things you can learn from this badge about the new oh-so-secret Khabarovsk submarine, provided it's not a bit of disinformation coming from the First Department.

    1. Khabarovsk has a pump-jet
    2. Khabarovsk is designed by TsKB Rubin (that logo in top left)

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    Post  Stealthflanker on Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:47 am

    George1 wrote:Here're some of the things you can learn from this badge about the new oh-so-secret Khabarovsk submarine, provided it's not a bit of disinformation coming from the First Department.

    1. Khabarovsk has a pump-jet
    2. Khabarovsk is designed by TsKB Rubin (that logo in top left)

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    then it would have that..short "box" bridge-fin typical of all Rubin made submarine.

    Honestly i like Malakhit "Sedan" type bridgefin to be honest.
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    Post  artjomh on Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:34 pm

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    A sad day for OPSEC on Russian TV today...

    Anyway, for those who don't recognize the silhouettes: top left is Belgorod (project 09852, a rebuilt Oscar II class SSGN), top right is Khabarovsk (project 09851), bottom center is Sarov (project 20120)

    Middle center: Skif, a rocket/torpedo/who-the-fuck-knows-what-it-is, that has been tested on Sarov and will be deployed on Begorod and Khabarovsk.

    That is all for now.


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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:23 pm

    artjomh wrote:Poseidon carrier Submarines ZW9aor5

    A sad day for OPSEC on Russian TV today...

    Anyway, for those who don't recognize the silhouettes: top right is Belgorod (project 09852, a rebuilt Oscar II class SSGN), top left is Khabarovsk (project 09851), bottom center is Sarov (project 20120)

    Middle center: Skif, a rocket/torpedo/who-the-fuck-knows-what-it-is, that has been tested on Sarov and will be deployed on Begorod and Khabarovsk.

    That is all for now.

    Actually, it seems to me that the Russian "OPSEC" successfully scores again. Most probably, that's not a real depiction of the Sarov-affiliated Skif.
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    Post  artjomh on Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:18 pm

    Revealing the fact that Khabarovsk has a pump jet is relevant information in of itself, tbh.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:26 pm

    artjomh wrote:Revealing the fact that Khabarovsk has a pump jet is relevant information in of itself, tbh.

    True if true.


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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:27 pm

    artjomh wrote:Revealing the fact that Khabarovsk has a pump jet is relevant information in of itself, tbh.
    Quite possibly the data is only released when they are aware that the 'other side' already knows something about the subject. That is the point that more details, sorry disinformation, can be published.
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    Post  artjomh on Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:44 pm

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    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:59 pm

    artjomh wrote:Poseidon carrier Submarines VUJDIza

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.

    Thank you, Artjomh.

    Does it say it can be deployed to a depth of 1000 m?

    It also mentions the caliber, doesn't it? Is it 1.1 m? I can't really discern it.
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:51 am

    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.
    So, fire one under the Artic ice cap and four days later it homes onto a target in say Norfolk, Virginia. Amazing in wartime, probably about the ultimate fire and forget weapon.
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    Post  zg18 on Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:58 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    artjomh wrote:Revealing the fact that Khabarovsk has a pump jet is relevant information in of itself, tbh.
    Quite possibly the data is only released when they are aware that the 'other side' already knows something about the subject. That is the point that more details, sorry disinformation, can be published.

    Yes , US knows something:

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-building-nuclear-armed-drone-submarine/

    This from 2 months ago.

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    Post  zg18 on Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:01 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.
    So, fire one under the Artic ice cap and four days later it homes onto a target in say Norfolk, Virginia. Amazing in wartime, probably about the ultimate fire and forget weapon.

    "Ocean Multipurpose System" status-6

    Application: loss of important economic facilities of the enemy in the vicinity of the coast and causing assured unacceptable damage to the country through the establishment of zones of extensive radioactive contamination, unsuitable for implementation in these areas of military, economic, business or other activity for a long time."

    English translation.

    No wonder US is upset.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:42 pm

    zg18 wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.
    So, fire one under the Artic ice cap and four days later it homes onto a target in say Norfolk, Virginia. Amazing in wartime, probably about the ultimate fire and forget weapon.

    "Ocean Multipurpose System" status-6

    Application: loss of important economic facilities of the enemy in the vicinity of the coast and causing assured unacceptable damage to the country through the establishment of zones of extensive radioactive contamination, unsuitable for implementation in these areas of military, economic, business or other activity for a long time."

    English translation.

    No wonder US is upset.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:57 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.
    So, fire one under the Artic ice cap and four days later it homes onto a target in say Norfolk, Virginia. Amazing in wartime, probably about the ultimate fire and forget weapon.

    I did some calculations, it can reach it's max range in 2.25 days....looks like the U.S. based Neocons bit off more than they can chew. By wrecking all US/Russia relations, the Neocons have forced the Russian's to develop whole new concepts and strategy of Hybrid/Asymmetrical Warfare, such as this cruise missile equivalent of a torpedo, or cruise torpedo perhaps.
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:05 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.
    So, fire one under the Artic ice cap and four days later it homes onto a target in say Norfolk, Virginia. Amazing in wartime, probably about the ultimate fire and forget weapon.

    I did some calculations, it can reach it's max range in 2.25 days....looks like the U.S. based Neocons bit off more than they can chew. By wrecking all US/Russia relations, the Neocons have forced the Russian's to develop whole new concepts and strategy of Hybrid/Asymmetrical Warfare, such as this cruise missile equivalent of a torpedo, or cruise torpedo perhaps.
    Its one hell of a tactical, say around 200 miles, as well as strategic weapon, exactly as you say, an underwater cruise missile. Guidance will be an interesting challenge, perhaps it pops up to the surface every few hours for location and target data. Even if it was just loitering passively on the surface, searching for them would a classic needle in a haystack job.

    Was there any indication of diameter in the info?

    Could probably be launched from many ships,military or civil, perhaps by crane or helicopter, as oppose to just pushing it over the side.

    They should call it the SubSeaKalibr
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:33 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.
    So, fire one under the Artic ice cap and four days later it homes onto a target in say Norfolk, Virginia. Amazing in wartime, probably about the ultimate fire and forget weapon.

    I did some calculations, it can reach it's max range in 2.25 days....looks like the U.S. based Neocons bit off more than they can chew. By wrecking all US/Russia relations, the Neocons have forced the Russian's to develop whole new concepts and strategy of Hybrid/Asymmetrical Warfare, such as this cruise missile equivalent of a torpedo, or cruise torpedo perhaps.

    I think "Skif's" functionality consists of first being fired from a sub; subsequently, it usually rests on the seabed awaiting a launch command, and then raises to the surface with the ICBM stages of the weapon completing the ballistic journey to the target in about 30 minutes (for approximately the "max" range).

    The following images may be those of the "Skif" being loaded onto Sarov.

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    Post  max steel on Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:20 pm

    Well US has its own  : Navy Plans To Deploy A Submarine Drone Squadron by 2020


    Large Displacement Unmanned Underwater Vehicle, or LDUUV, a 10-foot, highly autonomous, and very, very yellow subdrone, Navy Secretary Ray Mabus said .It’s not yet clear just what missions will be performed by the LDUUV, which resembles a giant robot canary fish crossed with a sausage. Some Navy watchers expect it to boost attack submarines’ intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities, but officials with the Office of Naval Research pushed back against such speculation. “Right now, it’s just an empty platform with some innovative power production things that will help increase its endurance.The LDUUV currently has an undersea endurance of 30 days but the eventual goal is to stretch that to years.




    Maybe they have different objectives they are going for a drone whereas russia is going for sub but I also read that Russia has its own underwater unmanned drones for Yasen Class Sub.


    From ABC : Secret nuclear torpedo schematics accidentally leaked, Russia admits

    This so-called “leak” of “secret documents” is, of course, no leak at all. This is a completely deliberate action. To imagine that a Russian journalist could, just by mistake, film a secret document (helpfully held up for him by a general) and then just walk away, get it passed his editor and air it is laughable. Any footage taken in a meeting of the President with his senior generals would be checked many times over. No, this was a deliberate way to remind the USA that if they really are hell-bent on spending billions of dollars in a futile quest to create some kind of anti-missile system Russia could easily develop a cheap weapon system to still threaten the USA with total annihilation. Because, make no mistake, the kind of long range torpedo being suggested here would be rather cheap to build using only already existing technologies. I would even add that rather than setting such a weapon off the US coast the system could also be designed to fire off a secondary missile (ballistic or cruise) which could then fly to any inland target. Again, such technologies already exist in the Russian military and have even been deployed on a smaller scale.






    The long range torpedoes, on the other hand, have existed since the Soviet Union. The “Tsar Torpedo” or T-15, designed in the 80-s by the Rubin Institute, was 1.6 m (5 feet) in diameter and op. depth of 1,000 m (3,000 feet). The main goal of that monster was to create a tsunami, but without long-lasting effects of radiation on the targeted area.


    The new system “Status-6” would turn huge coastal areas into a Fukushima/Chernobyl-like exclusion zones for centuries to come.





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    Post  artjomh on Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:35 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:The following images may be those of the "Skif" being loaded onto Sarov.

    I don't think that's Status-6.

    The Status-6 UUV has to be around 35-40 meters long, if the proportions on the slide are correct (just take the 1.6 meter diameter and extrapolate the length).

    That thing is much smaller.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:38 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    artjomh wrote:

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.
    So, fire one under the Artic ice cap and four days later it homes onto a target in say Norfolk, Virginia. Amazing in wartime, probably about the ultimate fire and forget weapon.

    I did some calculations, it can reach it's max range in 2.25 days....looks like the U.S. based Neocons bit off more than they can chew. By wrecking all US/Russia relations, the Neocons have forced the Russian's to develop whole new concepts and strategy of Hybrid/Asymmetrical Warfare, such as this cruise missile equivalent of a torpedo, or cruise torpedo perhaps.

    I think "Skif's" functionality consists of first being fired from a sub; subsequently, it usually rests on the seabed awaiting a launch command, and then raises to the surface with the ICBM stages of the weapon completing the ballistic journey to the target in about 30 minutes (for approximately the "max" range).

    The following images may be those of the "Skif" being loaded onto Sarov.

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    It seems that Skif and Status-6 are different. Status-6 is more in line with T-5 and T-15. It should be noted that Status-6 seems to have a diameter of 1.6 m (nominal?), and T-15 had a diameter of 1.55 m (again, nominal?).

    Here is an image apparently of T-5 (21'').


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    Post  GarryB on Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:25 am

    Considering the range of the torpedo/cruise weapon... I would think it would be easy enough to launch them from ports and coastal areas... you could have a half dozen attached to a central core pylon that could be towed to open ocean by a tug and released... the bottom one drops off and the change in weight balance rotates the cluster with the now bottom weapon released and so on till there is just an empty pylon left to be towed back to shore... either for reloading or storage.

    Just like a real cruise missile you could programme it to take an unexpected route and have it appear from a very unexpected direction... perhaps every hour it could approach the surface and update its inertial navigation system...

    Excellent idea... because when you think your sneak attack has won the day your ports start exploding... I would expect these things could even be used to navigate up large rivers too...

    Of course there is not much value in having such weapons if the enemy don't know you have them so letting the other side know about them hopefully will make WWIII less likely.
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    Post  Rmf on Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:37 pm

    artjomh wrote:Poseidon carrier Submarines VUJDIza

    Better resolution. Nice stats on that drone torpedo.

    100 knots speed up to 10000 km.... Twice as fast as a typical torpedo.

    then this thing cannot be intercepted by anything in military today.
    how does it navigate by inertial/ geomagnetic then scaning ocean bottom closer to shore?
    50% of world population lives within 150km from sea. this is a radiation boosted weapon and water nuclear explosions can be very dirty.
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    Post  max steel on Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:35 pm

    That's why you call it a massive dirty bomb.

    @all your thoughts on my post above?
    US is planning to deploy a squadron of UUD by 2020 but is it a drone or a stealth unmanned sub? The Russians are working on unmanned submarine. Yasen class sub has its own drones,from what i read. Are these american yellow UUD same as Yasen drones or similar to Russian Unmanned sub ?

    text is barely legible, but it appears that the drone would be able to travel at the depth of up to 1000 m at a fairly high speed (something like 105 km/h?). The range appears to be listed as 10000 km, which is a bit hard to believe, but this is what the slide says. The diameter ("caliber") of the drone appears to be more than 1 meter (probably 1.6 m), the general's hand hides the length of the device.

    Further down the list, there is a drawing of the system's components - command and control, support ships (non-nuclear submarine "Sarov" and some surface ship - Zvezdochka rescue ship), and something else that I cannot see.

    Finally, the timeline at the bottom of the slide says that pilot system will be built by 2019, so the state tests can be conducted in 2019-2020.
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