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    Post  Guest Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:09 am

    "A single Ka-52 has appeared at Ain Oussera AFB in Algeria on Thursday, 17-Sep. Two days later the eval trials have commenced, esp. night flying.
    The machine is a factory fresh White #75, two tone camo.. Similar to this one..."


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    Source: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1066921170009022

    It was shared alot by legit sources on Twitter so i assume its true.
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    Post  Atakor Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:01 pm

    That would explain the CAS/COIN oriented version for an "unnamed and mysterious customer" Rolling Eyes Btw the AAF's interest in a modified version of the Yak 130 was already reported by local (and reliable) sources. That could represent up to 36 new aircrafts.
    Any news about that in Russia ?

    Algeria Buys More Su-30MKs as Iranian Interest Grows


    Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport is executing a follow-on contract from Algeria for 14 more Sukhoi Su-30MKA multirole fighters. Meanwhile, according to media reports in Moscow, Iran is negotiating a deal that would see Su-30MK production in the country under license.  Sergei Chemezov, general director of Rostec corporation, which controls Rosoboronexport, revealed the latest Algerian order during his visit to the Irkutsk Aircraft Plant (IAZ) on September 11. He said that the contract was signed in April, and that the airplanes are already being built. This will be the fourth Su-30MK batch for Algeria, and bring the grand total to 56 aircraft. The North African country opted for the type in February-March 2006, ordering 16 aircraft. Eight were shipped in late 2007 and the rest between March and June 2008.  The second batch was a product of heated discussions between Russia and Algeria, when the latter refused to accept MiG-29SMT lightweight multirole fighters supplied by RAC MiG, complaining about their quality of manufacture. In the end, the two sides agreed to cancel the MiG deal and instead go for an additional 10 Su-30MKAs. These were shipped in 2011.  Algeria subsequently awarded Rosoboronexport a contract for 16 more Su-30MKAs for shipment by 2012.  Reportedly, the Algerian air force has been happier with its Sukhois than with the MiGs.[color=#ff3300] [color=#ff3300]In part, this is due to the fact that the Yakovlev Yak-130A weaponized jet trainers also produced by IAZ and purchased by Algeria proved a good training platform for Algerian fighter pilots. [size=13]The customer is understood to have received 16 Yak-130s in 2011 and signed for more in 2013/2014, but details of the follow-on deal have yet to emerge[/size].[/color][/color]  The Su-30MKA is customized version of the baseline Su-30MK, with minor differences from the Indian air force Su-30MKI, with the biggest change being replacement of Israeli-made items, such as an El-Op head-up display, with Russian and Indian analogues. In addition , the Su-30MKA can exchange data with the Yak-130 though a secure radio datalink. Like all Su-30MKs, the Su-30MKA is powered by a pair of Lyuka-Saturn AL-31FP turbofans with moving nozzles, which allows for “super maneuverability,” a distinct feature of Sukhoi fighters: retaining control at very high angles of attack and speeds close to zero. The aircraft is equipped with the N-011M Bars radar with passive phase array (PESA) antenna, capable of tracking multiply airborne targets and shooting at four of them at a time with radar-guided missiles. With gross weight of 34.5 tons, the Su-30MKA carries up to 8 tons of weapons load on 12 hard-points.  The success of the Su-30MK series in India and Algeria has attracted attention of Iran. It is seeking to buy Russian combat jets following the nuclear inspection deal. Russian media spoke to some unidentified sources in the Iranian delegation to MAKS’2015 airshow held in late August in Zhukovsky near Moscow. “Iran would like to move from direct purchases of Russian equipment to co-development and license production,” one of them was quoted as saying. “Since Russia has amassed some positive experience with the Su-30MKI license production in India, we can make use of that experience,” he added. wrote:
    http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2015-09-21/algeria-buys-more-su-30mks-iranian-interest-grows
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:09 pm

    Not heard anything on Rus news at all yet but good if true.

    That said, I wonder (if an upgrade to Su-30SM series is ever created) if upgrades like uodated Radar (Bars-M or something else) will be saught by nations like Algeria and India?
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    Post  Black-Swan Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:09 pm

    Hi guys, I need help, wats that please in the pics? Thank you.
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    Post  Atakor Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:16 pm

    I hope it is, we need more CAS aircrafts.
    Such an upgrade could happen, but I think that the 14 new Su30 will be to a new standard, close to the SM.

    Black-Swan: is it some kind of jammer ?
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    Post  Cyberspec Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:01 am

    Black-Swan wrote:Hi guys, I need help, wats that please in the pics? Thank you.
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    Can't see properly....flare launcher maybe ?
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    Post  Guest Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:00 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    Black-Swan wrote:Hi guys, I need help, wats that please in the pics? Thank you.
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    Can't see properly....flare launcher maybe ?
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    Dispensers yes, but for chaff-flares at least to my knowledge. "The basic Mi-26 is intended for military transport service, and has an IFF transponder, self-defense avionics, plus chaff-flare dispensers -- a set of dispensers being mounted in a prominent pack on each side of the fuselage". If that is not prominent i dont know what is.

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    This is Mi26 wich additionally slaves defensive suite to President S (somewhat like Vitebsk just less expencive they even share components).

    Prt of it is what they call "air dispenser for aircraft consumables: chaff cartridges, cartridges of infrared radiation, single use cartridges with transmitters, interference;" so they are not just common IR dispensers as they were in 80s/90s but multipurpose multicaliber dispensers.

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    Same device basically just smaller and apparently with smaller caliber charges is present on Mi28, KA52 this is kinda logic due to fact Mi26 is alot bigger/slower target to protect which means you need more "juice" for it.

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    Same modules on pod on KA52.
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    Post  Black-Swan Thu Oct 15, 2015 2:05 pm

    Thanks all, you're the best. Very Happy
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    Post  Atakor Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:17 pm

    in the past year, Algeria has ordered two Russian diesel-electric submarines of Project 636 in the amount of approximately $ 1.2 billion, and in April 2015 a batch of 16 Su-30MKA, now preparing a contract for several divisions of the system "Antey-2500". wrote:
    http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2831626

    So we'll have 60 Su30 and brand new S300VM !
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    Post  Black-Swan Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:54 am

    Algeria To Order Russian Airspace Management System Acacia-E

    Algeria is likely to order an airspace defense automatic control system, Acacia-E from Russia.

    “We are now in the final stages of signing a contract with Algeria on delivery of these systems, and we hope to sign it this December,” Andrey Riznyk, Executive Board member of the United Instrument Manufacturing Corporation said in an interview to Tass last Saturday.

    In addition to Algeria, there were other countries interested in the system. “We negotiate this actively with our traditional customers; India and Vietnam. Besides, we have been contacted by Malaysia and Brazil who are are also keen to have the Acacia-E system."

    "This is a control system primarily for the Airspace Defense, Aircraft Defense and the Air Force, the export version is known under the name Acacia-E. The system can observe and analyze the ongoing situation, can track up to 200 targets simultaneously, describing full target details and even making decisions whether to fire on specific targets without human involvement,” he said.

    “We are also considering 14 prospective customer countries, which may be interested in purchasing this system. More specifically, we are going to take Acacia-E for a demonstration to Brazil, India, the UAE, China, and Vietnam,” Riznyk said.

    http://www.defenseworld.net/news/14365/Algeria_To_Order_Russian_Airspace_Management_System_Acacia_E#.Vilovm_osdV bounce
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    Post  Guest Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:55 am

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    Mi28NE for Algeria on testflight in Russia.
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    Post  Guest Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:32 pm

    "Сейчас мы находимся на том максимуме, который может предоставить государственный оборонный заказ. «Расписан» он, кстати, нашему предприятию в этот раз на семь лет: до 2020 года. Какой ещё нужен маркетинг? Хотя ситуация может и поменяться. Сейчас, когда в небе Сирии наши самолёты бомбят территории, которые намерено захватить ИГИЛ (международная террористическая организация, деятельность которой запрещена на территории России. — Прим. ред.), возобновились разговоры о продаже экспортных бомбардировщиков Су-32 Алжиру. Последние лет восемь велись такие переговоры с этой страной, но с её стороны не предпринимались никакие шаги. А недавно в «Рособоронэкспорт» пришла официальная заявка из Алжира на поставку наших самолётов."

    "The last eight years there were such talks with this country (Algeria), but on their part there were no any steps. And recently in the "Rosoboronexport" we recieved the official application from Algeria to supply our SU32 aircraft."

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    Source: http://vedomosti.sfo.ru/articles/?article=46910
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    Post  Atakor Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:53 pm

    We need around 36 machines to replace our Su24.
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    Post  Berkut Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:47 pm

    I am not. Rumors on Algerian Su-34's has been around for ever and those were much more substantial than export to any other country.
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    Post  Guest Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:26 pm

    Berkut wrote:I am not. Rumors on Algerian Su-34's has been around for ever and those were much more substantial than export to any other country.

    Rumons yes, they are around since 90s however i never actually expected Algeria to file request for it. I was always more prone to expect its export to India for an example.
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    Post  Atakor Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:53 pm

    I am not. Rumors on Algerian Su-34's has been around for ever and those were much more substantial than export to any other country.

    Written black on white:

    "The last eight years there were such talks with this country (Algeria), but on their part there were no any steps. And recently in the "Rosoboronexport" we recieved the official application from Algeria to supply our SU32 aircraft."

    Reliable local sources have confirmed several times that the AAF was about to buy Su32/34, yet they only set an official request now. I highly suspect that the modernisation of our Su24 froze the buying process for a while. It looks like they finally want to go through this contract now.

    Rumons yes, they are around since 90s however i never actually expected Algeria to file request for it. I was always more prone to expect its export to India for an example.

    Why ?
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    Post  George1 Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:01 pm

    Not rumors anymore. The Su-34 is reported to be officially commissioned in Algeria in 2016

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1665131.html
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    Post  Guest Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:28 pm

    Atakor wrote:
    I am not. Rumors on Algerian Su-34's has been around for ever and those were much more substantial than export to any other country.

    Written black on white:

    "The last eight years there were such talks with this country (Algeria), but on their part there were no any steps. And recently in the "Rosoboronexport" we recieved the official application from Algeria to supply our SU32 aircraft."

    Reliable local sources have confirmed several times that the AAF was about to buy Su32/34, yet they only set an official request now. I highly suspect that the modernisation of our Su24 froze the buying process for a while. It looks like they finally want to go through this contract now.

    Rumons yes, they are around since 90s however i never actually expected Algeria to file request for it. I was always more prone to expect its export to India for an example.

    Why ?

    I expected Algeria to stick with SU30xx multirole platform for its airforce.
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    Post  Guest Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:30 pm

    George1 wrote:Not rumors anymore. The Su-34 is reported to be officially commissioned in Algeria in 2016

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1665131.html

    Original source:

    " The Algerian Air Force has ordered 12 Sukhoi (Su-34) 'Fullback' fighter bombers from Russian aircraft manufacturer Novosibirsk Aircraft Production Association to replace an aged fleet of Soviet-era MiG-25s, which are long over-due for retirement from service, as part of an ongoing force modernization program.

    In an interview published by Russian-language newspaper Vedomosti on New Year's Day, Novosibirsk Aircraft Production Association Director General Chkalov Sergei Smirnov announced that Algeria has finally ordered the Su-34 after nearly eight years of continuous negotiations. Although he did not give any further details on the sale, Smirnov said the Algerian Air Force is also negotiating for the long-term purchase of upgraded versions of the company's (Sukhoi) Su-24 "Fencer," which would be in line with the changing needs of Algeria's ongoing force re-orientation and modernization project.

    The Su-34 order is believed to be a component of the $7.5 billion Algerian-Russian arms deal signed in March 2006 for the supply of anti-missile systems, aviation, sea and land-ward defense equipment and technologies. Late last year, top Russian military expert Igor Korotchenko told RIA Novostin that the deployment of the Su-34 on combat duty in Syria will help potential buyers in Africa, Eastern Europe and the Middle East to evaluate its performance and decide on whether to acquire it or not.

    "Several countries in Africa, including Uganda and Nigeria, which [are] waging a war against Boko Haram, could buy the Su-34. Such top of the range fighter bomber aircraft could also strengthen Ethiopia's Air Force, which still operates a large fleet of aging Su-27 fighters," Korotchenko said. The Su-34 has also attracted the interest of Iraq, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan while Kazakhstan already operates a squadron recently acquired from Russia. Powered by a two Saturn AL-31F turbo-fan engines, the Su-34 is a fourth generation fighter bomber created from the frame of its (Sukhoi) Su-27 predecessor.

    It has a non-stop operating range of 4 000 kilometers and a maximum speed of up to 2,200 kilometers per hour. Its principal armaments include a 30-mm GSh-301 canon, and various surface to air-to-air missiles, cruise missiles, air-to-surface missiles, anti-ship and anti-radiation missiles in addition to guided and free-fall bombs."


    Source: http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2016/01/05/algeria-orders-12-su-34-fullback-fighter-bombers-russia/78319912/
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    Post  sheytanelkebir Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:32 pm

    congratulations to Algeria!

    I hope our lot do indeed buy something soon... Sad
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    Post  Atakor Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:29 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Atakor wrote:
    I am not. Rumors on Algerian Su-34's has been around for ever and those were much more substantial than export to any other country.

    Written black on white:

    "The last eight years there were such talks with this country (Algeria), but on their part there were no any steps. And recently in the "Rosoboronexport" we recieved the official application from Algeria to supply our SU32 aircraft."

    Reliable local sources have confirmed several times that the AAF was about to buy Su32/34, yet they only set an official request now. I highly suspect that the modernisation of our Su24 froze the buying process for a while. It looks like they finally want to go through this contract now.

    Rumons yes, they are around since 90s however i never actually expected Algeria to file request for it. I was always more prone to expect its export to India for an example.

    Why ?

    I expected Algeria to stick with SU30xx multirole platform for its airforce.

    Nope, each aircraft due to be withdrawn will have its own successor. The Su34 will replace the Su24, the Mig35 will replace the Mig29 and so on...
    By the way, the primary mission of our Su30 is aerial defence and aerial domination, even though they do COIN/CAS missions from time to time, but only to fill the gap.
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    Post  George1 Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:42 am

    3x Corvettes 20380 for Algeria can be built in Komsomolsk-on-Amur?

    http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/602369.html
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    Post  Guest Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:03 am

    Atakor wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Atakor wrote:
    I am not. Rumors on Algerian Su-34's has been around for ever and those were much more substantial than export to any other country.

    Written black on white:

    "The last eight years there were such talks with this country (Algeria), but on their part there were no any steps. And recently in the "Rosoboronexport" we recieved the official application from Algeria to supply our SU32 aircraft."

    Reliable local sources have confirmed several times that the AAF was about to buy Su32/34, yet they only set an official request now. I highly suspect that the modernisation of our Su24 froze the buying process for a while. It looks like they finally want to go through this contract now.

    Rumons yes, they are around since 90s however i never actually expected Algeria to file request for it. I was always more prone to expect its export to India for an example.

    Why ?

    I expected Algeria to stick with SU30xx multirole platform for its airforce.

    Nope, each aircraft due to be withdrawn will have its own successor. The Su34 will replace the Su24, the Mig35 will replace the Mig29 and so on...
    By the way, the primary mission of our Su30 is aerial defence and aerial domination, even though they do COIN/CAS missions from time to time, but only to fill the gap.

    SU30 is multirole fighter, it can fill all the roles, that is why majority of the world operates 1 type of fighter these days to reduce costs, or they make specialised variants on same platform. I dont think Algeria will get MiG35 however, SU30 already fills all of its roles. If you recall they bought SU30s in a first place instead of MiG29SMTs they rejected.

    Algeria is not rich enough to operate 4 types of fighters, nor there is need for that to be honest.
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    Post  Atakor Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:59 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Atakor wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Atakor wrote:
    I am not. Rumors on Algerian Su-34's has been around for ever and those were much more substantial than export to any other country.

    Written black on white:

    "The last eight years there were such talks with this country (Algeria), but on their part there were no any steps. And recently in the "Rosoboronexport" we recieved the official application from Algeria to supply our SU32 aircraft."

    Reliable local sources have confirmed several times that the AAF was about to buy Su32/34, yet they only set an official request now. I highly suspect that the modernisation of our Su24 froze the buying process for a while. It looks like they finally want to go through this contract now.

    Rumons yes, they are around since 90s however i never actually expected Algeria to file request for it. I was always more prone to expect its export to India for an example.

    Why ?

    I expected Algeria to stick with SU30xx multirole platform for its airforce.

    Nope, each aircraft due to be withdrawn will have its own successor. The Su34 will replace the Su24, the Mig35 will replace the Mig29 and so on...
    By the way, the primary mission of our Su30 is aerial defence and aerial domination, even though they do COIN/CAS missions from time to time, but only to fill the gap.

    SU30 is multirole fighter, it can fill all the roles, that is why majority of the world operates 1 type of fighter these days to reduce costs, or they make specialised variants on same platform. I dont think Algeria will get MiG35 however, SU30 already fills all of its roles. If you recall they bought SU30s in a first place instead of MiG29SMTs they rejected.

    Algeria is not rich enough to operate 4 types of fighters, nor there is need for that to be honest.

    It is a multirole fighter indeed, but as I said in my previous post, it is not regarded as multirole inside the AAF, by the way, this notion of multirole doesn't suit the Air Force. The Mig35 has been confirmed by a local source beyond question, we shall hear news about that. The total number of Su30 is supposed to be around 60/72, the SMT case didn't change the plan.

    Oh really ? How do you know we can't use 4 types of aircrafts Question  What are we using right now ? Su30, Su24, Mig 29, Mig 25 and Yak 130. Maintenance costs for the Mig29/25 and Su24 are tremendous, new aircrafts should correct that, the maintenance will be easier too. I don't understand this general enthusiasm about multirole. Why should we refrain our ambitions when we can use several types of aircrafts ?

    The need is defined by the Air Force, not by politicians. Do you think that operating only 60 Su30 is enough for the 10th biggest country, in an highly unstable environnement ? Honestly ? That would be a major mistake. Unlike many other countries, the Armed Forces remain one of the top priorities, hence the heavy investments despite the falling oil prices.
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    Post  Atakor Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:09 am

    George1 wrote:3x Corvettes 20380 for Algeria can be built in Komsomolsk-on-Amur?

    http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/602369.html

    According to Secret-Difa3 (who was the first to announce the deal), the deal is about 6 ships, apparently built between Severnaya Verf and Komsomolsk-on-Amur. This ships would be "Algerianised versions", they would be larger (10m), heavier (300t) and specialised (3 ASW and 3 AAW). The motorisation would be from MTU, and one ship would already be in an advanced state of construction in Severnaya Verf.

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