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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  Viktor on Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:10 pm

    TR1 wrote:
    Viktor wrote:As if they knew  Very Happy 


    UEC begins testing VK-2500, the first helicopter engine from Russian parts



    18.12.2012
    On December 18, 2012, at Shuvalovo at the production facility of Klimov, a United Engine Corporation subsidiary, the company began testing VK-2500 helicopter engine, the first to be built entirely of Russian parts.



    As part of implementation of the development strategy for the Russian aviation industry, in 2013 Klimov plans to launch 50 VK-2500 engines made from Russian parts, and by 2015 the production volume will increase to 500 per year.



    so no delays ...

    Yep and they fumbled.
    2013- only 10 all-Russian VK-2500s!

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/725984.html


    In 2012 Motor-Sich delivered over 450 TV3/VK-2500 engines or almost complete engines to Russia.
    There is no replacement for that in Russia today, simply a fact.


    Did not know that but ok it is expected when you start with something to have some delays. I have no doubt that we will see huge improvement during 2014 and in 2015 will have

    500 VK-2500. I belive Motor-Sich and Russia have been working on something new with much more power - I wonder what will happen to that (3000hp or more)

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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  472-kbh on Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:25 am

    thank you very much for the developments you provided. We already know from secret-difa3.blogspot.com (march 8th) that the Mi26 are already under production (the owner of the Blog posted some phonographs of the assembly line where the Mi's under production are supposed to be festinated to Algeria) it would be interesting to know how much time it takes to hope see motors in their respective compartment ?

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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  SOC on Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:40 pm



    LOTS of fun stuff in here.
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  Viktor on Wed May 14, 2014 3:51 am

    Meaning lots of long term cooperation and contracts  thumbsup 

    Matviyenko: Russia and Algeria may establish joint ventures MIC
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  Viktor on Fri May 30, 2014 6:09 pm

    We did not have to wait for long to see the results of Matviyenko meating with Algerian officials - this is ultimate Very Happy

    Exclusive! Two regiments of S400 for Algeria

    Although I must notice that Poljana-D4M1 refers to only regimental S-300VM command post (not S-400) and it would be interesting in case that author of this article drew a wrong conclusion about S-400  Very Happy 

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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  sheytanelkebir on Fri May 30, 2014 8:55 pm

    WOW. hope its true. Algeria will have a very formidable air defence... I am guessing the qatari/saudi "wahabi" freedom fighters won't be getting any "air support" like in Libya if they tried anything in Algeria.

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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Fri May 30, 2014 8:57 pm

    Algeria is of major strategic importance. Maybe I have to talk about this one day.
    Fortunately Algerians are strange people and hold pretty good by themselves.
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri May 30, 2014 10:37 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Algeria is of major strategic importance. Maybe I have to talk about this one day.
    Fortunately Algerians are strange people and hold pretty good by themselves.

    It's a strategically important area because it has large gas reserves, it's a large stable country in North Africa that's govt. and population is as Pro-Russian as it gets, and it's a strategically important area to nullify NATO naval formations in the Mediterranean, which makes the S-400 sale to Algeria so interesting. I would go even further by giving Algeria license production rights to build S-400's as well as advanced Anti-shipping missiles to menace American aircraft carrier groups, and Algeria should also host Russian S-500 batteries as well to nullify British and French theater range nukes .
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  mack8 on Fri May 30, 2014 10:43 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:Algeria is of major strategic importance. Maybe I have to talk about this one day.
    Fortunately Algerians are strange people and hold pretty good by themselves.

    Presumably you mean "strong", not "strange".
     
    Anyway, it could be that the Polyanas are for the rumoured Buk and Tor aquisitions, which should be IN ADDITION to the two S-400 regiments. Looking forward to the Su-34 and additional Su-30MKA contracts myself. If all these deals go through then by 2020 Algeria will have one helluva tough air force and air defence.
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Fri May 30, 2014 11:51 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:Algeria is of major strategic importance. Maybe I have to talk about this one day.
    Fortunately Algerians are strange people and hold pretty good by themselves.

    It's a strategically important area because it has large gas reserves, it's a large stable country in North Africa that's govt. and population is as Pro-Russian as it gets, and it's a strategically important area to nullify NATO naval formations in the Mediterranean, which makes the S-400 sale to Algeria so interesting. I would go even further by giving Algeria license production rights to build S-400's as well as advanced Anti-shipping missiles to menace American aircraft carrier groups, and Algeria should also host Russian S-500 batteries as well to nullify British and French theater range nukes .


    Yeap, one less post from me in the long run  Laughing 
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat May 31, 2014 12:18 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:Algeria is of major strategic importance. Maybe I have to talk about this one day.
    Fortunately Algerians are strange people and hold pretty good by themselves.

    It's a strategically important area because it has large gas reserves, it's a large stable country in North Africa that's govt. and population is as Pro-Russian as it gets, and it's a strategically important area to nullify NATO naval formations in the Mediterranean, which makes the S-400 sale to Algeria so interesting. I would go even further by giving Algeria license production rights to build S-400's as well as advanced Anti-shipping missiles to menace American aircraft carrier groups, and Algeria should also host Russian S-500 batteries as well to nullify British and French theater range nukes .


    Yeap, one less post from me in the long run  Laughing 

    Seeing how were talking about Algeria here, there's rumors of a potential NATO intervention in Algeria in the next coming years for obvious reasons (oil, a large united secular Arab state that's not balkanized and that's firmly pro-Russian):

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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat May 31, 2014 1:02 am

    We must be careful. Americans run out of money, China emerging with staggering speed and desperation born radical thoughts but we most probably past already the direct intervention threshold,
    not enough money for the sheriff stuff anymore  geek
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  TR1 on Sat May 31, 2014 2:26 am

    It was suspected they were interested in the system, however they won't be getting it for 3-4 years at the earliest.
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  Viktor on Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:21 pm

    We already knew that but still  thumbsup 

    Source: two diesel-electric submarines for Algeria be built in Russia
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  TR1 on Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:24 am

    Hopefully doesn't effect domestic timetables too badly.
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  Black-Swan on Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:44 am

    Le général major Abdelkader Lounès dépêche une délégation présidée par le général Hamid Boumaiza

    C’est en urgence que le général major Abdelkader Lounès, patron des forces aériennes algériennes, a dépêché la semaine dernière à Moscou une délégation présidée par le général Hamid Boumaiza, Commandant de l’Ecole Supérieure de l’Air, et composée de général Moufdi Yous, commandant de l’Ecole Supérieure de Défense Aérienne du Territoire et des commandants des bases aériennes d’Aïn Oussera et de Laghouat. L’objectif est de discuter avec les cadres du ministère de la Défense russe, ainsi qu’avec les constructeur Soukoï et Mikoyan-Gourevitch des problèmes qui surviennent régulièrement lors des vols d’entraînement de Soukhoï 24 et des MIG 25. Deux crashs sont intervenus en l’espace de 15 jours et ont touché ces deux types d’avions. D’après des sources diplomatiques russes, les constructeurs ont décliné toute responsabilité dans ces crashs, puisqu’il s’agit d’avion faisant leurs preuves quotidiennement en Syrie et en Ukraine. Les mêmes sources affirment que se sont les modifications introduites par les ingénieurs militaires algériens qui seraient derrière ces accidents. En effet, l’Algérie serait en train d’apporter, avec l’aide des Chinois, des modifications sur les anciens avions en sa possession afin d’augmenter leurs capacités d’engagement et de feu. D’après les Russes, ces changements seraient la principale cause des crashs. Une réponse qui n’aurait pas du tout plu au général major Abdelkader Lounès.



    Major General Abdelkader Lounès send a delegation headed by General Hamid Boumaiza.
    It is urgent that Major General Abdelkader Lounès, head of the Algerian air force dispatched to Moscow last week a delegation headed by General Hamid Boumaiza, Commander of the School of the Air, and made general Moufdi yous, commander of the air Defense School of Land and commanders of air bases Ain Oussera and Laghouat. The aim is to discuss with the executives of the Russian Ministry of Defense, as well as Soukoï manufacturer Mikoyan and issues that regularly occur during training flights of Sukhoi 24 and MiG 25. Two crashes have occurred in the space of 15 days and reached the two types of aircraft. According to Russian diplomatic sources, manufacturers have denied any responsibility in these crashes, as it is proven daily by plane to Syria and Ukraine. The same sources say that it is the changes introduced by the Algerian military engineers who are behind the accidents. In fact, Algeria is trying to make with the help of the Chinese, modifications on older aircraft in its possession to increase their commitment and capacity of fire. According to the Russians, these changes are the main cause of crashes. A response that would not at all pleased to Major General Abdelkader Lounès.



    I'm not sure of the fiability of this information? Why call friends russian, it is not their fault. The real problem is  the replacement of the MiG fleet and  the Su-24.
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:53 am

    So older jets are crashing now? Su-24 and MiG-25's? I think the response from Mikoy and and Sukhoi are right. That said, those jets are getting old now and would need to be replaced eventually anyway.
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  Black-Swan on Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:10 am

    sepheronx wrote:That said, those jets are getting old now and would need to be replaced eventually anyway.
    You're right, the problem is that we have no idea about the strategy of the defense on the future choice of new fighter aircraft. Is what it will be Russian, Chinese ...
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:29 am

    Black-Swan wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:That said, those jets are getting old now and would need to be replaced eventually anyway.
    You're right, the problem is that we have no idea about the strategy of the defense on the future choice of new fighter aircraft. Is what it will be Russian, Chinese ...

    Well, Algeria operates the Su-30MKA and it is a very capable fighter (more capable than anything China has on the market or even domestic) while Su-35S stumps that. PAK FA development is going fairly well and not much is said about China's future jet, other than it will use Russian components. Russia may get more contracts from China as well for military aircrafts.

    More Su-30MKA's for Algeria would be a better solution. Maybe they can work a deal out with both Irkutsk and HAL (India) for spare parts and such. For a cheap jet, maybe JF-17 from China/Pakistan is a good option.
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  Black-Swan on Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:49 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Black-Swan wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:That said, those jets are getting old now and would need to be replaced eventually anyway.
    You're right, the problem is that we have no idea about the strategy of the defense on the future choice of new fighter aircraft. Is what it will be Russian, Chinese ...

    Well, Algeria operates the Su-30MKA and it is a very capable fighter (more capable than anything China has on the market or even domestic) while Su-35S stumps that.  PAK FA development is going fairly well and not much is said about China's future jet, other than it will use Russian components.  Russia may get more contracts from China as well for military aircrafts.

    More Su-30MKA's for Algeria would be a better solution.  Maybe they can work a deal out with both Irkutsk and HAL (India) for spare parts and such.  For a cheap jet, maybe JF-17 from China/Pakistan is a good option.  



    The ideal for many this would be a new control su-30 to replace the SU-24, Su-35 export version was for me the best choice. Unfortunately we are in a complicated internal political situation.
    Collaboration with the Russians is highly criticized by Algerians who say why is it that always buys Russian, why not buy American or Swedish? bullshit !!! The best planes are Russian.
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:04 am

    Black-Swan wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Black-Swan wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:That said, those jets are getting old now and would need to be replaced eventually anyway.
    You're right, the problem is that we have no idea about the strategy of the defense on the future choice of new fighter aircraft. Is what it will be Russian, Chinese ...

    Well, Algeria operates the Su-30MKA and it is a very capable fighter (more capable than anything China has on the market or even domestic) while Su-35S stumps that.  PAK FA development is going fairly well and not much is said about China's future jet, other than it will use Russian components.  Russia may get more contracts from China as well for military aircrafts.

    More Su-30MKA's for Algeria would be a better solution.  Maybe they can work a deal out with both Irkutsk and HAL (India) for spare parts and such.  For a cheap jet, maybe JF-17 from China/Pakistan is a good option.  



    The ideal for many this would be a new control su-30 to replace the SU-24, Su-35 export version was for me the best choice. Unfortunately we are in a complicated internal political situation.
    Collaboration with the Russians is highly criticized by Algerians who say why is it that always buys Russian, why not buy American or Swedish? bullshit !!! The best planes are Russian.

    dunno why Algerians would want to buy any other. But it is really up to the government themselves. Since Algeria seems to have good relations with Russia, I don't see how a few people who think otherwise should decide. In the end, they will purchase what they need. It is indeed true that Algerians buy a lot from Russia, but that proves Russian product is of decent quality. I figure eventually they will fly a mix of aircrafts but in the end, Su-30MKA with more orders is likely. That is just a hunch though.
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:57 pm

    I think the best idea would be to get the Russian makers of the older aircraft to upgrade those aircraft to make them more like modern Russian aircraft... those old aircraft probably have a few good years left in them and making them more like new Russian aircraft will reduce costs and training issues if you want to replace any older aircraft with newer planes.


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    Post  Black-Swan on Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:23 pm

    Thank you very much for the answers guys. Unhappily I think it's too late for considering this option GarryB. No
    Mig Aircraft of the AAF is damaged as a whole. Replacement was asked by the military experts of the country, the problem is political.
    My conviction is that external pressures prevented the Algeria of signed a new contract with Russia and his defense aircraft industry.
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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:21 pm

    I am a huge fan of the MiG-29 despite its poor reputation in the west though I can understand Algeria returning MiG-29SMTs for more Flankers at the same price.

    The thing is that sometimes you just need a MiG-29SMT and not something bigger and more capable.

    A MiG-29SMT dropping a laser guided bomb on a target will use less fuel because it is smaller and lighter than a Flanker doing the same job.

    If Algeria wants to turn to western aircraft they can either go for small batch production aircraft (which makes them expensive) like the Gripen or Rafale... which are very good aircraft but not really worth the cost for what they do. Well... actually the US engine in the Gripen probably limits you to the Rafale or Typhoon... both quite expensive and yet not more capable of dropping a laser guided bomb than a MiG.

    The other alternative is of course either cheap... as the F-35 enters full scale production there should be cheap F-16s for sale... but if the F-35 is as expensive as it seems to be a lot of air forces might decide to hang on to their Falcons a little longer.

    The other option would be F-35 which will likely be the most expensive western fighter option... assuming they are prepared to sell it.

    Personally I would go for a high low mix of MiG-29M2s that can later be upgraded to MiG-35 level, plus Su-35 which no doubt will also be upgraded over time.

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    Re: Russia - Algeria military contracts

    Post  Black-Swan on Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:10 pm

    I personally am against the purchase of aircraft other than Russian. Russia is our partner and ally for decades. We should not turn to the west regarding our armament.
    I will not deny that I am a supporter of the Russian camps. russia

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