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    GarryB

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    Re: PAK-DA: News

    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:48 am

    The definition of a cruise missile is a guided missile that flies at moderate speed and low altitude, hence none of your missiles meet the criterion. Logic dictates you know the definition first.

    Actually before long range ballistic missiles were considered an option very long range cruise missiles were considered one option for the future and they were fast and enormous.

    Even your average modern cruise missile with multi thousand km range fly the early stages of flight at medium altitude to improve flight speed and reduce fuel consumption.

    It was decided it was too expensive to integrate the Tu-160 engines into the airframe so it will get a more conservative modernisation.

    Isn't it too expensive to have two completely different engines with very similar performance doing the same job on two aircraft where one engine could do the job on both platforms...

    Your information is inaccurate they fired KA-61's which is the air to a ground version of the Onik's

    The only operational versions of Onyx would be land based and ship and sub based models.

    AFAIK the only aircraft actually cleared to carry an Onyx family missile is the Su-30MKI which has been adapted to carry Brahmos.

    When they make such a missile, like the oniks that goes hypersonic and has that 1000km range then you can talk like it exists. Until then close your mouth and stop acting like imaginary missiles exist BECAUSE by the time Russia fields such missiles tech will be in place to counter them. You act like only missile tech will ever improve and everything else will stand still

    You mean like the 2,000km range Kinzhal mach 10 missile based on the ground launched Iskander and launched from a MiG-31K?

    I really can't see Kh-50 being launched from Su-57 as proof that they intend to use Su-57 as a replacement for Tu-22M3.
    Its proof that like every vaguely recent fighter that its multirole, able to deliver a wide range of weaponry.

    I would say the Su-57s would be rather more valuable carrying air to air missiles to defend a Tu-22M3M carrying six Kh-50s internally... especially when they restore the inflight refuelling capability of the Backfire.
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    Re: PAK-DA: News

    Post  eehnie on Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:42 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    eehnie wrote:It has been published multiple times that modernized Tu-22, modernized Tu-160 and Tu-PAK-DA will share engines. LMFS is right the life of the Tu-22 will be exctended long time..

    It was decided it was too expensive to integrate the Tu-160 engines into the airframe so it will get a more conservative modernisation.  

    In the refered to the Strategic bombers Il-38 and Tu-95/142 will be replaced before, very likely also with the Tu-PAK-DA.

    Tu-95, Tu-22, Tu-160 were all supposed to be replaced by PAK-DA.  It looks like the future of strategic aviation will rely on the new Tu-160 which is fine if they can get the numbers on time.  This of course is my worry with all of the delays.  

    At this point some delay is not to worry, because would be still in time for the necessary replacement.

    The replacement is clearly launched, and includes three ways in the mix:

    1.- Development and production of a new aircraft. The Tu-PAK-DA, with the first fly by 2025.
    2.- Modernization of the Tu-160 to the Tu-160 M2 standard, with return to the production of the Tu-160 when all the current units be modernized.
    3.- Modernization of the Tu-22 to the Tu-22 M3M standard. If necessary (in the unlikely case of Tu-PAK-DA underperforms) it is possible a return to production when all the available units be modernized.

    Russia has advantage over the US at this point on strategic bombers thanks to the Tu-160 and the Tu-22, and will keep it in the future.
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    Re: PAK-DA: News

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:03 am

    The original Kh-55 had a range of about 2,000km, so they upgraded it with external conformal fuel tanks in the Kh-55SM model to increase its range to 3,000km.

    Like any jet engine it will operate from sea level up to a dozen or more kms altitude... they operate vastly more efficiently at 8-10km altitude than they do at sea level... and a normal flight profile will involve most of the flight to be at medium altitude with a lower throttle setting.

    You can effect max range simply by using a very high throttle setting and flying at very low altitude... not to mention lots of waypoints and direction changes.

    The Kh-101/102 are twice the weight of the Kh-55SM, and it is not because their electronics got heavier... all of the extra weight is fuel.

    With a 2,000km range missile half the flight would need to be at lower altitudes to prevent long range detection, but with a 5,000km range missile 4/5ths of the flight distance can be at an efficient throttle setting at medium altitude to optimise range.

    For testing you could flying in circles and changing altitude and speed to reduce its max range performance.

    5,000km missiles makes sense... who wants to fly through Canadian airspace to hit targets in the US?

    Of course by the time any bombers get there it will be 4-5 hours after the ICBMs and SLBMs have destroyed everything anyway, so enemy air power should not be a huge problem...
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    Re: PAK-DA: News

    Post  George1 on Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:16 am

    Russia completes work on conceptual design of next-generation strategic bomber

    The delivery of PAK DA next-generation bombers are planned for 2025-2030 after their trials are over

    KUBINKA /Moscow Region/, August 22. /TASS/. The stage of the conceptual design of the PAK DA (Prospective Airborne Complex of Long-Range Aviation) next-generation strategic bomber is over, Head of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Yuri Slyusar told Zvezda TV Channel on Wednesday.

    "Last year, we completed the stage of the conceptual design work and signed two contracts at the end of the year with the Defense Ministry as the basic customer and with the Industry and Trade Ministry, which provides for creating required basic crucial technologies," the UAC head said.

    As Head of the Federation Council Defense Committee Viktor Bondarev said earlier, Russian specialists are completing R&D work on the project of developing the prospective airborne complex of long-range aviation as a multirole plane to replace Tu-22M3, Tu-95MS and subsequently Tu-160 bombers.

    The delivery of PAK DA next-generation bombers are planned for 2025-2030 after their trials are over.


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    http://tass.com/defense/1018255
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    Re: PAK-DA: News

    Post  dino00 on Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:59 pm

    Dont know where to post so...TsAGI Future aircraft concepts...Hydroaviasalon...


    If PAK-DA was This...
    Edit: If the Russian speakers can translate what says below the plane Cool
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    Re: PAK-DA: News

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:33 pm

    dino00 wrote:Dont know where to post so...TsAGI Future aircraft concepts...Hydroaviasalon...

    If PAK-DA was This...
    Edit: If the Russian speakers can translate what says below the plane Cool

    No idea what was written - too small fonts for me lol1 lol1 lol1 but I've searched for TSAGI & LSDS - ist a concept of small supersonic business jet by Tupolev Smile

    https://regnum.ru/news/2477929.html

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