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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  kvs on Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:14 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:
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    sepheronx wrote:Now now, not so fast.  They use the dollar comparrison due to media sensation, nothing else.  If you seen prices prior to all of this for various types of cars, you will notice that the price given for a new car isnt actually bad.  Expensive somewhat but not bad.  I have seen prior to this vehicles like Patriot going for over 600,000 rubles as an example.  This type of vehicle is more luxury than anything else (when comparing other vehicles on market) and is somewhat costly at first.

    I am looking at the price in dollars in 2013 and now.  They maintained the dollar price and not the ruble price.   The ruble price has basically
    gone up by 100%.  I know these are new models, but they are being targeted at a certain market segment where the price is around $10,000.
    So the Avtovaz pricing is BS since these cars are not imports.

    https://www.rt.com/business/lada-avtovaz-europe-cars-311/

    The above gives the price range for the Lada Granta in 2012.  



    The car has some foreign made parts. It is not 100% domestic.
    You must adjust the cost increase accordingly.

    Nowhere near a 100% markup in rubles from these components. It is rather clear that Avtovaz is using "international"
    prices and is collecting dollars and not rubles for its cars. The wooden ruble phobia has not left Russia. After 2014
    you can see hordes of companies and people converting their rubles to dollars. They are all idiots. They should have
    done that in 2013 and not after the forex "devaluation" (it is not a devaluation in any real sense).

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:18 pm

    There is? Last I checked, there was barely a movement for conversion.

    As well, there cannot be a 100% markup unless there was a previous xray model, which there isnt.

    It would have to be compared to a granta now vs then.  If we have those numbers, good.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  kvs on Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:42 pm

    sepheronx wrote:There is? Last I checked, there was barely a movement for conversion.

    As well, there cannot be a 100% markup unless there was a previous xray model, which there isnt.

    It would have to be compared to a granta now vs then.  If we have those numbers, good.

    One of the primary reasons for the drop in the ruble forex from 2014 and into 2015 has been the
    massive dumping of rubles for dollars. Perhaps most of this has been driven by the paydown of
    foreign debt, but it is also due to the routine response pattern of many in Russia to treat the
    ruble as worthless. These idiots actually think dollars are worth something. These are the idiots
    who took out dollar mortgages.

    The Xray is too small and too little of a design increment to merit a 100% markup. If the Granta
    was going for $10,000 in 2012, then the Xray is not worth $20,000 by any stretch of the imagination.
    It's not in the class of the Nissan Altima, for example. The numbers tell me all I need to know, I am
    not sure why you are so keen to defend Avtovaz. Back in the 1990s it was part of Berezovsky's
    mafia empire and it also has the legacy Soviet worker mentality of "pretend to work and steal all you
    can". It should have been liquidated a long time ago. Bankruptcy would have cleared the way for
    is assets (even if old, they are worth something) to have been used better by some other company
    not entangled in all sorts of legacy sh*t.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:14 pm

    The luxury model of Xray is selling for 580K or roughly 9k usd.  Cheaper model is roughly $7K.  Lada Granta basic sells for 303K rubles still, which is cheap.

    Avtovaz would do better to make a cheaper SUV and keep up with Granta (or use vesta to make a more luxury granta) and try to share as much as you can in components to make it cheaper.  Right now, its ideal to cut back on the R&D and pay off debt.  After debt is paid off, they can sell it probably even cheaper to drive up the low budget segmant and gain more.  That is why Kia is now doing very well in Russia for example.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:03 pm

    When the wars end, business will resume as normal.

    Hopefully.

    https://www.rt.com/business/333453-avtovaz-cars-sales-resume/

    Russia’s flagship automaker AvtoVaz has confirmed plans on restart sales of its automobiles in Syria and Lebanon.

    “AvtoVaz intends to begin exporting vehicles to Syria and Lebanon with the help of our partner Nissan,” a source from the company’s press center told RIA Novosti.

    The exact dates and numbers are not yet known, but AvtoVaz expects to return to the Syrian market when the situation there is normalized.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  Militarov on Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:05 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:When the wars end, business will resume as normal.

    Hopefully.

    https://www.rt.com/business/333453-avtovaz-cars-sales-resume/

    Russia’s flagship automaker AvtoVaz has confirmed plans on restart sales of its automobiles in Syria and Lebanon.

    “AvtoVaz intends to begin exporting vehicles to Syria and Lebanon with the help of our partner Nissan,” a source from the company’s press center told RIA Novosti.

    The exact dates and numbers are not yet known, but AvtoVaz expects to return to the Syrian market when the situation there is normalized.

    Not sure how many cars they can sell there tho...but not many. Majority of ppl there struggles to obtain basic needs.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  william.boutros on Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:45 pm

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    Not sure how many cars they can sell there tho...but not many. Majority of ppl there struggles to obtain basic needs.

    Don't know where you are getting your info from but Lebanon's GDP per capita is at least 40% higher than Serbia's Wink.
    Perhaps you are referring to war-torn Syria?!

    In all cases I do not expect any significant Russian car sales in Lebanon. Historically, the country has been pro-west with no Russian influence to speak of. Least of all Russian products and cars.
    Syria is another issue. People have a low income and can only afford cheap. The country is socialist and maintained decade old pro-east ties.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  Militarov on Wed Feb 24, 2016 7:09 pm

    william.boutros wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Not sure how many cars they can sell there tho...but not many. Majority of ppl there struggles to obtain basic needs.

    Don't know where you are getting your info from but Lebanon's GDP per capita is at least 40% higher than Serbia's Wink.
    Perhaps you are referring to war-torn Syria?!

    In all cases I do not expect any significant Russian car sales in Lebanon. Historically, the country has been pro-west with no Russian influence to speak of. Least of all Russian products and cars.
    Syria is another issue. People have a low income and can only afford cheap. The country is socialist and maintained decade old pro-east ties.

    Lada costs like...6000 euros lets say. Average nominal GDP in Lebanon is about 8-9. You do the math. How many they will be able to sell. Maybe couple hundred to upper lvl mid class, those with even slightly better income wouldnt even look at Lada when you can get for slighty more money something South Korean or Italian. I dont think organising export to sell yearly 300 cars is move of the decade. Those poor cant afford it anyways.

    Also Lebanon is "developing economy", which means majority of population does not have even third of that GDP you see in statistics.

    When its about Serbian GDP, half of our economy is in gray area which...does not rly end up being in those statistics. But on other hand i expect soon Zimbabwe to overcome Serbia in terms of economy.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  william.boutros on Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:58 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    william.boutros wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Not sure how many cars they can sell there tho...but not many. Majority of ppl there struggles to obtain basic needs.

    Don't know where you are getting your info from but Lebanon's GDP per capita is at least 40% higher than Serbia's Wink.
    Perhaps you are referring to war-torn Syria?!

    In all cases I do not expect any significant Russian car sales in Lebanon. Historically, the country has been pro-west with no Russian influence to speak of. Least of all Russian products and cars.
    Syria is another issue. People have a low income and can only afford cheap. The country is socialist and maintained decade old pro-east ties.

    Lada costs like...6000 euros lets say. Average nominal GDP in Lebanon is about 8-9. You do the math. How many they will be able to sell. Maybe couple hundred to upper lvl mid class, those with even slightly better income wouldnt even look at Lada when you can get for slighty more money something South Korean or Italian. I dont think organising export to sell yearly 300 cars is move of the decade. Those poor cant afford it anyways.

    Also Lebanon is "developing economy", which means majority of population does not have even third of that GDP you see in statistics.
    When its about Serbian GDP, half of our economy is in gray area which...does not rly end up being in those statistics. But on other hand i expect soon Zimbabwe to overcome Serbia in terms of economy.

    Well buddy,
    Cars sold annually in Lebanon are around 80,000 and 100,000 cars for a 4 million population.
    Almost half of those cars are large in size second hand cars for an average cost pre-tax (which can reach up to 40%) of around 12,000-15,000$
    The other half being mainly new and smaller cars of Korean, Japanese and French orign consecutively.
    Do not worry about the grey economy. Lebanon is not USA under Obama.
    There is a notable absence of Italian cars due to their poor reliability record.

    At 7000 dollar + 3000 $ tax Lada would be competing with the cheapest cars on the market. Kia and Hyundai which have a combined market share of 16,000 brand new cars. Lada however needs to fix its reputation and establish proper service centres for parts at a low cost. Coupling with Nissan dealer is a good step. He is well established and has been loosing market share ever since Korean cars became more reliable and with an attractive design. Lada needs to take care that established Lebanese car dealers sometimes buy car brands in order to eliminate them from competition with no intent for marketing the vehicle.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:56 pm

    Russia's giant carmaker plans to boost export by 20,000 cars in 2016

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  higurashihougi on Tue Mar 22, 2016 9:02 am

    russia love love love

    https://www.rt.com/business/336458-russia-vietnam-cars-production/

    Moscow and Hanoi have signed an agreement to produce Russian cars in Vietnam. The deal will boost trade and cooperation the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade said on Monday.

    The Vietnamese plant will produce buses, trucks, specialized vehicles, light commercial vehicles and passenger cars.

    According to the ministry, Russian automakers Gaz, Kamaz and Sollers will be given an import quota of automobiles and car parts duty-free into Vietnam.

    “That will allow increasing exports of vehicles and open new markets for Russian products with the prospect of entering the ASEAN market,” said the ministry.

    There will be a quota of 2,550 Russian car import over three years and 13,500 car components over five years. The localization of production could reach 40-50 percent by 2025. Russia will be able export 800 motor vehicles to Vietnam duty-free this year, said the ministry.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  Militarov on Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:39 pm

    Drove Lada Niva more than once, not that bad, at least better than Yugo...

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  ExBeobachter1987 on Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:12 pm

    Mazda to start assembling its engines in Russia

    A contract with Mazda Sollers for the establishment of production in Vladivostok has been approved by the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade.

    It is expected that an investment contract will be signed in late April this year and will remain valid till 2023.

    The plant will assemble engines as well as upgraded versions of the Mazda6 and Mazda CX-5 models. Total investment is estimated at about 2 billion rubles ($30 million).

    "Under the contract, the car manufacturer shall build production facilities at its plant in Vladivostok. Mazda Sollers Manufacturing Rus will build new capacities for producing 50,000 engines a year, with an investment of 2 billion rubles. In addition, the company shall produce upgraded versions of the Mazda-6, Mazda CX-5 models as well as Mazda Sky Activ-G car engines. At least 609 jobs will be created as part of implementing this contract,” reads the document.

    Last year Mazda lost its customs duty reliefs for the Mazda6 and СX-5 models. That happened because the joint venture Mazda Sollers had failed to build the facilities necessary to establish local production in Russia in time, explained the Kommersant business daily.

    Mazda Sollers had until May 2015 to launch an integrated production facility, with a localization share of 30 percent and an output of at least 25,000 vehicles a year.

    In exchange, the company was allowed to import components paying customs duties of 0 to 5 percent (without duty relief, the figure is 15 percent). However, that agreement was suspended.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  x_54_u43 on Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:17 am

    Putin to Receive New Russian-Made 'Cortege' Limousine
    The Moscow TimesApr. 05 2016 15:53 Last edited 15:53

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    Russian President Vladimir Putin is to receive a model from the first batch of Cortege cars, Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov said, the RIA Novosti news agency reported Tuesday.

    The Cortege project will provide Russian-made vehicles for the transportation of top Russian government officials — 3.7 billion rubles ($54 million) was allocated to the project this year, RIA Novosti reported.

    “The first batch should be released around the end of 2017 to the beginning of 2018,” Manturov said.

    The minister added that 200 vehicles will be produced in the first year, all of which at the Central Scientific Research Automobile and Automotive Engines Institute (NAMI) headquarters in Moscow.

    Talks are ongoing with the Russian Defense Ministry regarding the creation of an armored off-road vehicle, Mantura said, RIA Novosti reported.

    Four vehicle models have been developed as part of the project: a limousine, a sedan, an SUV and a minivan.

    Mantura said that the limousine has been put through trials for almost a year and crash-tests for the sedan will begin in April. There are plans to increase the shipment amount to 4,000-5,000 of each model by 2020.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:26 am

    hopefully they will end up making a civilian version for the luxury market. There is a demand for cars similar to this like the Lincoln towncars.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:39 pm


    Stels ATV manufacture



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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:15 am

    Ford considering new investment in Russia after 93% sales increase

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  Zivo on Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:29 am

    sepheronx wrote:Ford considering new investment in Russia after 93% sales increase

    I know Ford produces parts in Russia, but I wonder what percent of these cars will be russian made.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:31 am

    Zivo wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Ford considering new investment in Russia after 93% sales increase

    I know Ford produces parts in Russia, but I wonder what percent of these cars will be russian made.

    What do you mean? All the cars sold are made in Russia.  You mean what is the % of localization of parts? Ford states by 2019 they hope to get localization to 85% or greater. They recently opened up an engine plant in Russia.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:06 pm


    Of top 10 bestselling car models in Russia all of them (domestic and foreign brands) are made in Russia.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  George1 on Wed May 04, 2016 5:36 pm

    Russia’s car market expected to begin recovery from 2017 — Russian industry ministry

    He said the year 2016 will be a turning point for the automotive industry to be followed by gradual recovery

    MOSCOW, May 1. /TASS/. Russia’s car market may become to recover from 2017, Russian Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov said on Sunday.

    "We believe that gradual recovery of the car market will begin next year. We hope for gradual automotive industry growth [from 2017]," he said in an interview with the Rossiya-24 television channel.

    He said the year 2016 will be a turning point for the automotive industry to be followed by gradual recovery.

    According to the ministry’s forecasts, car production in Russia is expected to go down by five to seven percent in 2016, to 1.5 million vehicles. In 2015, Russia’s car output dropped by 27.7% on 2014, to 1.213 million cars. Truck production decreased by 14.7%, to 131,000 trucks.

    Sales of cars and commercial vehicles in Russia slumped by 35.7% in 2015, to 1.6 million cars. According to the Association of European Businesses (AEB), car sales in 2016 are forecasted at 1.53 million vehicles, or down by 4.7% year on year.

    In conditions of the recession and the difficult situation on the car market, the Russian ministry of industry and trade has taken a series of measures to maintain car sales. Thus, the ministry reimburses car manufacturers for part of their expenses on the modernization of production lines, maintaining jobs, etc. Apart from that, the ministry maintains demand on the car market by means of a car scrap and trade-in, easy-term leasing and car loan programs.


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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu May 05, 2016 2:46 am

    Preliminary results indicate that Avtovaz (Lada) sales and overall Russian car market saw an increase for the first time since end 2014.

    https://www.autostat.ru/news/25804/

    This may be a sign that the Russian economy is showing signs of recovering.

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    Re: Russian Car Industry

    Post  sepheronx on Wed May 11, 2016 3:31 am

    LADA increases sales
    In April 2016 in Russia sold 24 648 cars LADA, which is by 7.8% more than in April last year, and 10.7% more than in March 2016. According to preliminary estimates, the share of LADA in the Russian market has reached 20%.

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