Soviet SAM systems. What are your thoughts?

d_taddei2 wrote:With still a huge number of Soviet made SAM systems still in operation around the world i was looking to see what peoples views are on these systems and how capable they are on the modern battlefield up against NATO aircraft.

the following systems are the ones in question. And we can assume that they have had the latest upgrades if it makes it easier to answer.


SA-2 (S-75M)
SA-3 (S-125 Neva/Pechora)
SA-4 (2K11 Krug)
SA-5 (S-200)
SA-6 (2K12 Kub)
SA-8 (9K33 Osa)
SA-9 (9K31 Strela-1)
SA-13 (9K35 Strela-10)
SA-19 (2K22 Tunguska)


I haven't included the MANPAD's SA-7, SA-14, SA-16, SA-18, but if you want to mention please feel free i also havent mentioned the SA-1 (S-25 Berkut) as North Korea is the only current operator and i guessing that the condition of these will be poor and possibly out of service due to condition, but yet again feel free to mention if you want.

d_taddei2 wrote:With still a huge number of Soviet made SAM systems still in operation around the world i was looking to see what peoples views are on these systems and how capable they are on the modern battlefield up against NATO aircraft.

the following systems are the ones in question. And we can assume that they have had the latest upgrades if it makes it easier to answer.


SA-2 (S-75M)
SA-3 (S-125 Neva/Pechora)
SA-4 (2K11 Krug)
SA-5 (S-200)
SA-6 (2K12 Kub)
SA-8 (9K33 Osa)
SA-9 (9K31 Strela-1)
SA-13 (9K35 Strela-10)
SA-19 (2K22 Tunguska)


I haven't included the MANPAD's SA-7, SA-14, SA-16, SA-18, but if you want to mention please feel free i also havent mentioned the SA-1 (S-25 Berkut) as North Korea is the only current operator and i guessing that the condition of these will be poor and possibly out of service due to condition, but yet again feel free to mention if you want.

George1 wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:With still a huge number of Soviet made SAM systems still in operation around the world i was looking to see what peoples views are on these systems and how capable they are on the modern battlefield up against NATO aircraft.

the following systems are the ones in question. And we can assume that they have had the latest upgrades if it makes it easier to answer.


SA-2 (S-75M)
SA-3 (S-125 Neva/Pechora)
SA-4 (2K11 Krug)
SA-5 (S-200)
SA-6 (2K12 Kub)
SA-8 (9K33 Osa)
SA-9 (9K31 Strela-1)
SA-13 (9K35 Strela-10)
SA-19 (2K22 Tunguska)


I haven't included the MANPAD's SA-7, SA-14, SA-16, SA-18, but if you want to mention please feel free i also havent mentioned the SA-1 (S-25 Berkut) as North Korea is the only current operator and i guessing that the condition of these will be poor and possibly out of service due to condition, but yet again feel free to mention if you want.

why you open threads of same subject?? there is already one exactly the same

rambo54 wrote:Sat Pics from 2015 & 2016 show Pechora 2M equipment at Site 60, Kapustin Yar.
Any ideas why they test this system? It is not new (in principle) and not intended for the Russian Army and I think they will not made final tests for export issues at Site 60

Isos wrote:https://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

Just found that simulator. I didn't upload it but their are videos on the website made by ex profesioal radar oprators that show how they shoot F-117. If anyone has informations about it, please share them.

rambo54 wrote:Sat Pics from 2015 & 2016 show Pechora 2M equipment at Site 60, Kapustin Yar.
Any ideas why they test this system? It is not new (in principle) and not intended for the Russian Army and I think they will not made final tests for export issues at Site 60

d_taddei2 wrote:With still a huge number of Soviet made SAM systems still in operation around the world i was looking to see what peoples views are on these systems and how capable they are on the modern battlefield up against NATO aircraft.

the following systems are the ones in question. And we can assume that they have had the latest upgrades if it makes it easier to answer.


SA-2 (S-75M)
SA-3 (S-125 Neva/Pechora)
SA-4 (2K11 Krug)
SA-5 (S-200)
SA-6 (2K12 Kub)
SA-8 (9K33 Osa)
SA-9 (9K31 Strela-1)
SA-13 (9K35 Strela-10)
SA-19 (2K22 Tunguska)


I haven't included the MANPAD's SA-7, SA-14, SA-16, SA-18, but if you want to mention please feel free i also havent mentioned the SA-1 (S-25 Berkut) as North Korea is the only current operator and i guessing that the condition of these will be poor and possibly out of service due to condition, but yet again feel free to mention if you want.

Isos wrote:Not this one, there was more missile ready to lunch. I found the picture :

http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_missile_system_vehicle_uk/strelets_igla_igla-s_sa-24_sa-18_automatic_remote_firing_control_launcher_unit_data_sheet_uk.html

Look at the the bottom the picture 3

d_taddei2 wrote:Hi very true, i think against most modern aircraft these systems now struggle, i know SA-2, SA-3, SA-4 have had some upgrades in some way shape or form, but does these upgrades make them any good, or should countries look to replace these older soviet systems, ASAP???

Isos wrote:

S-300 is a very good system, I don't think NATO could ignore such a system and I don't think they could honestly defeat it any other way than overwhelm it with numbers... of course no long range SAM like that would operate on its own.

Unprotected by shorter range missiles they are not dangerous. A common tactic is to find it fly under radar coverage and lunch ARM missiles. Small countries shouldn't bought them as they can have just few of them. It's better for their price (250 million $ for last PMU variants) to buy hundreds of pantsir, Iglas S, buk and IR missiles that can be much more deadly.

A country that has the size of Bielorussia or Serbia could be much more better protected by them than by 2 or 3 S-300.