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    S-400 SAM for India

    Post  Austin on Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:30 pm

    There are rumours on news of Indian AirForce insterested in S-400

    here is an article from Prasun Sengupta , not terribly accurate but FWIW

    The IAF’s Perception Management Disconnect & Its Plans For TMD

    http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2015/10/the-iafs-perception-management.html

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  Tolstoy on Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:02 pm

    Austin wrote:There are rumours on news of Indian AirForce insterested in S-400

    here is an article from Prasun Sengupta , not terribly accurate but FWIW

    The IAF’s Perception Management Disconnect & Its Plans For TMD

    http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2015/10/the-iafs-perception-management.html

    Integrating Israeli Radars with S 400? Seriously?

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  Cyberspec on Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:51 am

    Tolstoy wrote:Integrating Israeli Radars with S 400? Seriously?

    Probably can be done but would be complicating things....more expensive as well

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  max steel on Thu Oct 15, 2015 1:15 pm

    HOW EFFECTIVE ARE ISRAELI RADARS?

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  sepheronx on Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:37 pm

    max steel wrote:HOW EFFECTIVE ARE ISRAELI RADARS?

    ABOUT AS EFFECTIVE AS YOUR ALL CAPS!

    Didn't help Georgia much during 2008 conflict. But I hear they do make decent radar. Green pine I think is one of them?

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  Austin on Fri Oct 30, 2015 5:46 pm

    Indian Defence Minister confirms , India in Talks to buy S-400 from Russia.

    Will we get the 40N6 missile ?

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/832683

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  jhelb on Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:29 pm

    Austin wrote:Indian Defence Minister confirms , India in Talks to buy S-400 from Russia.

    Will we get the 40N6 missile ?

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/832683

    The missile is good to go so I see no reason why India can't have it. Even China is supposed to get the 40N6. As a matter of fact they specifically asked for it.

    There could be issues with other missiles. India may or may not get the 77N6-N and 77N6-N1.

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  Austin on Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:13 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Austin wrote:Indian Defence Minister confirms , India in Talks to buy S-400 from Russia.

    Will we get the 40N6 missile ?

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/832683

    The missile is good to go so I see no reason why India can't have it. Even China is supposed to get the 40N6. As a matter of fact they specifically asked for it.

    There could be issues with other missiles. India may or may not get the 77N6-N and 77N6-N1.  

    AFAIK 77N6-N and N1 are not part of S-400 but S-500 system

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  chicken on Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:14 am

    Austin wrote:
    jhelb wrote:
    Austin wrote:Indian Defence Minister confirms , India in Talks to buy S-400 from Russia.

    Will we get the 40N6 missile ?

    http://tass.ru/en/defense/832683

    The missile is good to go so I see no reason why India can't have it. Even China is supposed to get the 40N6. As a matter of fact they specifically asked for it.

    There could be issues with other missiles. India may or may not get the 77N6-N and 77N6-N1.  

    AFAIK 77N6-N and N1 are not part of S-400 but S-500 system

    If I recall, both S-400 and S-500 will get both missiles since the two systems have different objectives. Forgot where but probably old mp.net posts.

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  jhelb on Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:34 am

    chicken wrote:If I recall, both S-400 and S-500 will get both missiles since the two systems have different objectives. Forgot where but probably old mp.net posts.



    By 2014, Russia will launch two major plants producing hypersonic missiles, 77N6-N and 77N6-N1, for its state-of-the-art anti-missile defence systems, S-400 Triumph and S-500 Prometheus.


    http://in.rbth.com/articles/2012/12/18/russia_to_roll_out_new_hypersonic_missiles_21107

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    After China, India Will Become Second Buyer of Advanced Russian S-400 Missile Defense Systems

    Post  Pinto on Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:55 am

    New Deal’s S-400 deal with Russia may be the largest defense deal ever between the two countries.





    India has agreed to procure Russia’s advanced S-400 Triumf surface-to-air anti-ballistic missile system in a deal valued at around $10 billion dollars. Once completed, the S-400 deal could represent the largest one ever between New Delhi and Moscow and a major coup for Russia, which has sought to sell its S-400s across the world. According to Indian state media, the S-400 deal was agreed to between Indian Defese Minister Manohar Parrikar and his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu during a meeting of a high-level bilateral group on military and technical cooperation. The deal will likely be announced formally during the anticipated state visit by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi to Russia later this year.

    The S-400 is an impressive piece of equipment and is an evolution of the S-300 anti-ballistic missile defense system. The S-400 is manufactured by Almaz-Antey and has been in the service of the Russian military since 2007. The system is particularly well-suited against aircraft, including any fighters and bombers that may conceivably enter Indian airspace with hostile intentions from either China or Pakistan. The S-400 is presumably also capable of intercepting most medium- and short-range ballistic missiles and cruise missiles. The system can engage up to 36 targets simultaneously within a range of 400 km. The system launches three types of missiles and can comprise a layered defense system. Earlier this year, China became the first foreign buyer of the S-400 system.

    Beyond the S-400 deal, Parrikar and Shoigu discussed a range of other matters related to the India-Russia defense relationship. As my colleague Franz-Stefan Gady reported recently, New Delhi is considering leasing a second Russian nuclear submarine for its Navy (it currently operates on Russian Akula-class submarine on lease). It’s unclear if Parrikar and Shoigu cleared the path for a shared development deal for a derivative of the Russian Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA fighters. Additionally, the two sides are slated to begin an infantry exercise next week in the western Indian state of Rajasthan.

    This spate of defense deal-making between New Delhi and Moscow should reassure observers in India that despite appearances, Moscow’s primary arms customer in South Asia will continue to be India. Last year, Russia lifted its decades-old self-imposed arms embargo against Pakistan and, this year, Moscow sold Islamabad four Mi-35M attack helicopters. These developments sparked concerns in India that New Delhi’s status as Moscow’s preferred customer in the region–a constant since the Cold War and the 1971 friendship treaty with the Soviet Union–was fleeting. Following fiscal pressures at home and economic isolation from the west since its annexation of Crimea in February 2014, Russia has been seeking arms buyers around the world.

    http://thediplomat.com/2015/11/after-china-india-will-become-second-buyer-of-advanced-russian-s-400-missile-defense-systems/

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    Russia's S-400 Missile Defense System Has No Equal Globally

    Post  Pinto on Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:22 pm

    The S-400 Triumf, a top-tier anti-aircraft weapon system produced in Russia, has no parallels across the globe in terms of combat capabilities, defense expert Konstantin Sivkov told Radio Sputnik.

    Take the US-built Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, for instance. "The THAAD has shorter range and is incapable of hitting targets beyond the horizon. In addition, it is purely an anti-ballistic missile system designed to shoot down ballistic missiles," he added.

    The S-400, developed in response to President Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), also known as Star Wars, has a lot more to offer.
    The Triumf's first unique feature is its long range.

    "The S-400 is capable of hitting targets at a height of up to 300 kilometers (186 miles). Its second distinctive feature is fire-and-forget capability. Its missiles are fitted with a homing device which can lock on a target and destroy it. Unlike US systems, the S-400 does not need to track the target," Sivkov explained.

    In addition, the S-400 is the only missile complex in the world capable of hitting targets located beyond the horizon, the expert noted. The system is also well protected against electronic warfare.
    Unsurprisingly, the S-400 Triumf has caused a stir. So far only China signed a contract for the deliveries of the cutting-edge missile defense system but many are likely to follow.
    Saudi Arabia is said to be interested in purchasing the S-400s, while a $10 billion arms deal with India is expected to be inked during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Moscow in December.


    In addition, the S-400 is the only missile complex in the world capable of hitting targets located beyond the horizon, the expert noted. The system is also well protected against electronic warfare.

    Unsurprisingly, the S-400 Triumf has caused a stir. So far only China signed a contract for the deliveries of the cutting-edge missile defense system but many are likely to follow.

    Saudi Arabia is said to be interested in purchasing the S-400s, while a $10 billion arms deal with India is expected to be inked during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Moscow in December.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151111/1029903504/russia-s400-missile-defense-weaponry.html#ixzz3rHc6gJPe

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:18 am

    India will buy from Russia the s-400 as a part of $ 10 billion deal

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2015/12/400-10.html


    http://indiatribune.com/india-set-to-ink-defense-deals-worth-more-than-one-lakh-cr-with-russia/

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    India to spend Rs 40,000 crore(6.06B $) on Russia's S-400 Triumf missile system

    Post  Pinto on Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:48 am

    India will buy Russia’s famed S-400 Triumf air defence missile system for an estimated Rs 40,000 crore approx. 6 billion $, after the defence ministry paved the way for the mega purchase days before Prime Minister Narendra Modi is to leave for Moscow for a summit with President Vladimir Putin.


    S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems that are capable of destroying incoming hostile aircraft, missiles and also drones within a range of up to 400 km. (File Photo)

    The S-400 Triumf can tackle multiple aerial threats at long ranges and is considered to be the most advanced system available with Russia.

    The Indian order will boost the tottering air defence system which relies on old missiles. Before India, China has aIndia will buy Russia’s famed S-400 Triumf air defence missile system for an estimated Rs 40,000 crore, after the defence ministry paved the way for the mega purchase days before Prime Minister Narendra Modi is to leave for Moscow for a summit with President Vladimir Putin.lready ordered S-400 air defence system from Russia.

    he Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), which met on Thursday, approved the purchase of five units of S-400 air defence system.
    After the go ahead, New Delhi will start price negotiations. It is estimated that the whole contract should cost the country around Rs 40,000 crore.
    There is A sense of urgency in India to procure the system, and a direct deal with the Russian government will help in accelerated induction.
    Russia had recently moved the cutting-edge missile system in Syria, catching the world's attention. The deployment was meant to prevent violation of airspace by Turkey.

    The system has three missiles to cover the entire spectrum of threats from very long to long and medium ranges. The maximum range is around 150 kilometers covered by the 40N6 missile.

    According to information available in the open domain, the air defence system is capable to take on up to 36 targets at range of over 150 kilometres.

    It is known as an anti-aircraft system, but all kinds of aerial targets including missiles can be destroyed by S-400.

    Apart from the S-400, the DAC also gave approval for the acquisition of six new regiments of the Pinaka rocket system. This will also strengthen the air defence capabilities of the country. The acquisition is worth Rs 14,600 crore.

    The existing Pechors Air Defence system will now be digitised as the DAC approved the proposal worth Rs 1,200 crore.

    The Army will get 571 light bulletproof vehicles for use in the counter insurgency operations in Jammu and Kashmir and the northeast and 120 trawls for T-72 and T-90 tanks used by the army has also been approved.
    The Navy also got a boost as the DAC made some changes in the proposal for construction of the five-fleet support ships worth Rs 9,000 crore.


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-3364920/India-spend-Rs-40-000-crore-Russia-s-S-400-Triumf-missile-system.html#ixzz3udn1ymnj

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  Pinto on Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:55 am

    The 5 systems for 6 b$ ? will the 5 systems be enough for india to guard its borders with apkistan and china both ?

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  Austin on Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:01 am

    How many missile radar control system does one system constitute ?

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:02 am

    Pinto wrote:The 5 systems for 6 b$ ? will the 5 systems be enough for india to guard its borders with apkistan and china both ?

    They probably mean 5 batteries with all the support vehicles and such.

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  Austin on Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:04 am

    Pinto wrote:The 5 systems for 6 b$ ? will the 5 systems be enough for india to guard its borders with apkistan and china both ?

    IAF would also have LRSAM/Barak-8LR from Israel range of 150 km , AAD/PAD and other shorter range SAM, So-S-400 will supplement the existing or planned system

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  Militarov on Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:04 am

    Pinto wrote:The 5 systems for 6 b$ ? will the 5 systems be enough for india to guard its borders with apkistan and china both ?

    This math is bad or this report is not full. China is paying 3 billion for 6 divisions (batallions, depends how each army classifies it) each having 8 launchers. Which makes it what, around 500 million per batallion with equipment, missiles etc. It simply cant be true that India is paying 6 billion for 5. Its believed Russia is paying around 200 million per batallion S400 for domestic use.

    Also 5 "systems" is very unusual statement, it can be only 5 batteries/batallions. So that would make it 40 launchers if we take the most optimistic variant. Should be enough to cover half of India.

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  Pinto on Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:14 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Pinto wrote:The 5 systems for 6 b$ ? will the 5 systems be enough for india to guard its borders with apkistan and china both ?

    This math is bad or this report is not full. China is paying 3 billion for 6 divisions (batallions, depends how each army classifies it) each having 8 launchers. Which makes it what, around 500 million per batallion with equipment, missiles etc. It simply cant be true that India is paying 6 billion for 5. Its believed Russia is paying around 200 million per batallion S400 for domestic use.

    Also 5 "systems" is very unusual statement, it can be only 5 batteries/batallions
    . So that would make it 40 launchers if we take the most optimistic variant. Should be enough to cover half of India.

    well yes 5 battalions makes sense to cover both western and eastern front.

    looks like exact numbers bought might remain unknown because if 500m$ cost for each battery then it works out be 2.5 b$ but here the number seems to be much higher as deal is expected to cost 6b$

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  Militarov on Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:23 am

    Pinto wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Pinto wrote:The 5 systems for 6 b$ ? will the 5 systems be enough for india to guard its borders with apkistan and china both ?

    This math is bad or this report is not full. China is paying 3 billion for 6 divisions (batallions, depends how each army classifies it) each having 8 launchers. Which makes it what, around 500 million per batallion with equipment, missiles etc. It simply cant be true that India is paying 6 billion for 5. Its believed Russia is paying around 200 million per batallion S400 for domestic use.

    Also 5 "systems" is very unusual statement, it can be only 5 batteries/batallions
    . So that would make it 40 launchers if we take the most optimistic variant. Should be enough to cover half of India.

    well yes 5 battalions makes sense to cover both western and eastern front.

    looks like exact numbers bought might remain unknown because if 500m$ cost for each battery then it works out be 2.5 b$ but here the number seems to be much higher as deal is expected to cost 6b$

    Well, thing is that S400 might be just part of the contract. Maybe they are including parts for SU30 in it, or spares for T90, MiG29s...etc and we are getting told only about S400 coz its so exclusive. Journalists tend to do that very often.

    Also it depends on structure India decided to take. How many surv radars, how many command posts, how many aiming radars etc. Its big difference if India decides to take 10 or 5 command posts, or how many radars etc etc. Do they want Nebo, Protivnik GE..how many missiles, how longterm maintenance contract... list is endless. But i doubt its 6billion for 5 batteries there is some catch to it.

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  Pinto on Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:02 am

    lol well right journalists do go over board and we are going to see some such more news as visit of Indian PM is still a week away. But one thing looks sure is numbers might be higher for India as all other deals are seprate like T90 tanks spares and more tanks, lease of another akula class subs for 1.5 b$ and 5 naval ships too probably talwar class. Russia must activate its all marketing offices and political acumen too now as deals woth 12b$ for 5-6 more subs is going to be finalized soon

    New Delhi: The government on Thursday approved the Rs 39,000-crore acquisition of five advanced Russian S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems, which have even rattled NATO countries because they can destroy incoming hostile aircraft, stealth fighters, missiles and drones at ranges of up to 400 km.

    Then, as earlier reported by TOI, India is also on course to acquire a second nuclear-powered submarine on a $1.5 billion lease from Russia. Indian Navy had inducted the first Akula-II submarine, christened INS Chakra, on a 10-year lease from Russia in April 2012, under a secret $900 million deal inked way back in January 2004.


    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Government-clears-purchase-of-Rs-39000cr-Russian-missile-systems/articleshow/50226062.cms

    There are potentially 50B$ deals pending with Russia if we includes FGFA to be signed during this visit too and  if flambyount Indian journalism is to be believed there were reports that russia has tied S400 deal with FGFA.......lol Smile

    There have been some reports too that 12 missiles batteries are to be procured by india then 6 b$ makes sens at 500m$ each

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20151011/1028361087/india-may-buy-russian-s400.html

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    India finalises Rs 65,000 crore missile deal with Russia

    Post  Pinto on Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:19 am

    This newspaper showing figure at 65000 cr means 10b$ plus so its now certain that this amount includes other deals too including another akula class sun for 1.5 b$ plus other deals to be finalised

    http://www.deccanchronicle.com/151218/nation-current-affairs/article/rs-65000-crore-missile-deal-russia

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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:20 am

    Pinto wrote:lol well right journalists do go over board and we are going to see some such more news as visit of Indian PM is still a week away. But one thing looks sure is numbers might be higher for India as all other deals are seprate like T90 tanks spares and more tanks, lease of another akula class subs for 1.5 b$ and 5 naval ships too probably talwar class. Russia must activate its all marketing offices and political acumen too now as deals woth 12b$ for 5-6 more subs is going to be finalized soon

    New Delhi: The government on Thursday approved the Rs 39,000-crore acquisition of five advanced Russian S-400 Triumf air defence missile systems, which have even rattled NATO countries because they can destroy incoming hostile aircraft, stealth fighters, missiles and drones at ranges of up to 400 km.

    Then, as earlier reported by TOI, India is also on course to acquire a second nuclear-powered submarine on a $1.5 billion lease from Russia. Indian Navy had inducted the first Akula-II submarine, christened INS Chakra, on a 10-year lease from Russia in April 2012, under a secret $900 million deal inked way back in January 2004.


    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Government-clears-purchase-of-Rs-39000cr-Russian-missile-systems/articleshow/50226062.cms

    There are potentially 50B$ deals pending with Russia if we includes FGFA to be signed during this visit too and  if flambyount Indian journalism is to be believed there were reports that russia has tied S400 deal with FGFA.......lol Smile

    There have been some reports too that 12 missiles batteries are to be procured by india then 6 b$ makes sens at 500m$ each

    http://sputniknews.com/military/20151011/1028361087/india-may-buy-russian-s400.html

    India twin seat  version of Pak-fa for sure will make many countries drool for many years..
    How nice they will look with Indian custom colors , it will definitively significantly raise the
    pride and morale of the Indian armed forces. Specially because the plane will bee exclusively
    designed for India needs and requirements. So congrats for your stealth plane.  Smile

    Hopefully Russia will make enough sukhoi manufacturing plants to mass produce their own planes very fast in the one hundred every year at least. Russia should get at least 300 to 500 pak-fa to cover all Russia land and deploy others beyond Russia borders. Americans already have at least 187 F-22.
    and


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    Re: S-400 SAM for India

    Post  Pinto on Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:21 am

    Pinto wrote:This newspaper showing figure at 65000 cr means 10b$ plus so its now certain that this amount includes other deals too including another akula class nuclear submarine for 1.5 b$ plus other deals to be finalised

    http://www.deccanchronicle.com/151218/nation-current-affairs/article/rs-65000-crore-missile-deal-russia

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