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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  medo on Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:34 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Rusija će isporučiti egipatskim „mistralima“ helikoptere i prateću opremu u vrednosti od preko milijardu dolara. To je saopštio šef administracije ruskog predsednika Sergej Ivanov. Prema njegovim rečima, Rusija će da isporuči svu nedostajuću opremu bez koje su ti brodovi „obične konzerve", uključujući, naravno, i helikoptere.Ranije je saopšteno da su ruski koncerni „Morinformsistema-Agat" i „Radioelektronske tehnologije" spremne da opreme ove brodove najnovijim tehnološkim sistemima, uključujući i sistem radioelektronske zaštite 5P28 Pobeditelj."


    Russia will deliver Helicopters and following equipment for Egyptian Mistrals worth over 1 billion USD. That was stated by chief of administration Sergei Ivanov. By his statement Russia shall deliver all missing equipment without which Mistrals are just "cans" including helicopters. It was earlier annoynced that Russian concern Morinformsistema-Agat and Radioelektronske tehnologije are ready to equip these ships with newest system including system for radioelectronic protection 5P25 Pobeditel".

    If anyone need any help with original serbian text i mean rest of it, feel free to ask.


    "As is known, France is currently negotiating with Egypt for the sale of two Mistral ships that were previously built for Russia. On Thursday, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said that Russia is ready to sell electronic equipment for the Mistral ships to their future buyer, as reported by RIA Novosti.
    KRET has proposed to equip the Mistral ships with 5P28 Pobeditel electronic defense systems, which can be installed on large ships such as aircraft carriers, helicopter carriers, and cruisers. The system greatly increases a ship’s life expectancy." - directly from KRET

    Source: http://kret.com/en/news/3999/
    Fascinating, so not only did Russia get its roughly $1B back (plus saved its own fit out cost) but now it gets another $1B for fitting them out for the Egyptians. Got to be some happy faces in Moscow.

    It's called Lol Sanctions.

    So Egypt will pay 2 billion dollars for 2 Mistrals, which Egypt doesn't need and doesn't have that much money to throw it away. Most probably those ships will go to Russia to be fitted with Russian equipment and helicopters. Why I have a feeling, that Egypt will compensate the costs with simply leaving one Mistral in Russia or maybe even both.
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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Militarov on Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:42 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Rusija će isporučiti egipatskim „mistralima“ helikoptere i prateću opremu u vrednosti od preko milijardu dolara. To je saopštio šef administracije ruskog predsednika Sergej Ivanov. Prema njegovim rečima, Rusija će da isporuči svu nedostajuću opremu bez koje su ti brodovi „obične konzerve", uključujući, naravno, i helikoptere.Ranije je saopšteno da su ruski koncerni „Morinformsistema-Agat" i „Radioelektronske tehnologije" spremne da opreme ove brodove najnovijim tehnološkim sistemima, uključujući i sistem radioelektronske zaštite 5P28 Pobeditelj."


    Russia will deliver Helicopters and following equipment for Egyptian Mistrals worth over 1 billion USD. That was stated by chief of administration Sergei Ivanov. By his statement Russia shall deliver all missing equipment without which Mistrals are just "cans" including helicopters. It was earlier annoynced that Russian concern Morinformsistema-Agat and Radioelektronske tehnologije are ready to equip these ships with newest system including system for radioelectronic protection 5P25 Pobeditel".

    If anyone need any help with original serbian text i mean rest of it, feel free to ask.


    "As is known, France is currently negotiating with Egypt for the sale of two Mistral ships that were previously built for Russia. On Thursday, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said that Russia is ready to sell electronic equipment for the Mistral ships to their future buyer, as reported by RIA Novosti.
    KRET has proposed to equip the Mistral ships with 5P28 Pobeditel electronic defense systems, which can be installed on large ships such as aircraft carriers, helicopter carriers, and cruisers. The system greatly increases a ship’s life expectancy." - directly from KRET

    Source: http://kret.com/en/news/3999/
    Fascinating, so not only did Russia get its roughly $1B back (plus saved its own fit out cost) but now it gets another $1B for fitting them out for the Egyptians. Got to be some happy faces in Moscow.

    Well not only that, KA52s will require maintenance, spare parts, ammunition, pilot and technician training, such contracts are long term source of money, well same goes for French aiding maintenance of Mistrals but still this one went quite well for Russians.
    The million dollar question: where will the work be done?

    Probably in Egypt, since its just electronics installation, outfitting, can be done basically anywhere.
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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:57 pm

    medo wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Rusija će isporučiti egipatskim „mistralima“ helikoptere i prateću opremu u vrednosti od preko milijardu dolara. To je saopštio šef administracije ruskog predsednika Sergej Ivanov. Prema njegovim rečima, Rusija će da isporuči svu nedostajuću opremu bez koje su ti brodovi „obične konzerve", uključujući, naravno, i helikoptere.Ranije je saopšteno da su ruski koncerni „Morinformsistema-Agat" i „Radioelektronske tehnologije" spremne da opreme ove brodove najnovijim tehnološkim sistemima, uključujući i sistem radioelektronske zaštite 5P28 Pobeditelj."


    Russia will deliver Helicopters and following equipment for Egyptian Mistrals worth over 1 billion USD. That was stated by chief of administration Sergei Ivanov. By his statement Russia shall deliver all missing equipment without which Mistrals are just "cans" including helicopters. It was earlier annoynced that Russian concern Morinformsistema-Agat and Radioelektronske tehnologije are ready to equip these ships with newest system including system for radioelectronic protection 5P25 Pobeditel".

    If anyone need any help with original serbian text i mean rest of it, feel free to ask.


    "As is known, France is currently negotiating with Egypt for the sale of two Mistral ships that were previously built for Russia. On Thursday, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said that Russia is ready to sell electronic equipment for the Mistral ships to their future buyer, as reported by RIA Novosti.
    KRET has proposed to equip the Mistral ships with 5P28 Pobeditel electronic defense systems, which can be installed on large ships such as aircraft carriers, helicopter carriers, and cruisers. The system greatly increases a ship’s life expectancy." - directly from KRET

    Source: http://kret.com/en/news/3999/
    Fascinating, so not only did Russia get its roughly $1B back (plus saved its own fit out cost) but now it gets another $1B for fitting them out for the Egyptians. Got to be some happy faces in Moscow.

    It's called Lol Sanctions.

    So Egypt will pay 2 billion dollars for 2 Mistrals, which Egypt doesn't need and doesn't have that much money to throw it away. Most probably those ships will go to Russia to be fitted with Russian equipment and helicopters. Why I have a feeling, that Egypt will compensate the costs with simply leaving one Mistral in Russia or maybe even both.

    You say Egypt doesn't need Mistrals, but meanwhile the neighboring country of Libya is in outright chaos, and much of Gaddaffi's massive weapon stockpiles were flown in to Syria by Erdogan of Turkey. The most interesting aspect about the Syrian insurgency is that it could of just as easily been conducted in Egypt, or Algeria as opposed to Syria. The Muslim Brotherhood (Qatar's proxy terror/crime syndicate) started and supported the civil war in Algeria in the 90's, they started and still support the insurgency in Syria since 2011, and in 2013 they tried to start a civil war in Egypt but failed miserably.
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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  medo on Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:07 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    medo wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Rusija će isporučiti egipatskim „mistralima“ helikoptere i prateću opremu u vrednosti od preko milijardu dolara. To je saopštio šef administracije ruskog predsednika Sergej Ivanov. Prema njegovim rečima, Rusija će da isporuči svu nedostajuću opremu bez koje su ti brodovi „obične konzerve", uključujući, naravno, i helikoptere.Ranije je saopšteno da su ruski koncerni „Morinformsistema-Agat" i „Radioelektronske tehnologije" spremne da opreme ove brodove najnovijim tehnološkim sistemima, uključujući i sistem radioelektronske zaštite 5P28 Pobeditelj."


    Russia will deliver Helicopters and following equipment for Egyptian Mistrals worth over 1 billion USD. That was stated by chief of administration Sergei Ivanov. By his statement Russia shall deliver all missing equipment without which Mistrals are just "cans" including helicopters. It was earlier annoynced that Russian concern Morinformsistema-Agat and Radioelektronske tehnologije are ready to equip these ships with newest system including system for radioelectronic protection 5P25 Pobeditel".

    If anyone need any help with original serbian text i mean rest of it, feel free to ask.


    "As is known, France is currently negotiating with Egypt for the sale of two Mistral ships that were previously built for Russia. On Thursday, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said that Russia is ready to sell electronic equipment for the Mistral ships to their future buyer, as reported by RIA Novosti.
    KRET has proposed to equip the Mistral ships with 5P28 Pobeditel electronic defense systems, which can be installed on large ships such as aircraft carriers, helicopter carriers, and cruisers. The system greatly increases a ship’s life expectancy." - directly from KRET

    Source: http://kret.com/en/news/3999/
    Fascinating, so not only did Russia get its roughly $1B back (plus saved its own fit out cost) but now it gets another $1B for fitting them out for the Egyptians. Got to be some happy faces in Moscow.

    It's called Lol Sanctions.

    So Egypt will pay 2 billion dollars for 2 Mistrals, which Egypt doesn't need and doesn't have that much money to throw it away. Most probably those ships will go to Russia to be fitted with Russian equipment and helicopters. Why I have a feeling, that Egypt will compensate the costs with simply leaving one Mistral in Russia or maybe even both.

    You say Egypt doesn't need Mistrals, but meanwhile the neighboring country of Libya is in outright chaos, and much of Gaddaffi's massive weapon stockpiles were flown in to Syria by Erdogan of Turkey. The most interesting aspect about the Syrian insurgency is that it could of just as easily been conducted in Egypt, or Algeria as opposed to Syria. The Muslim Brotherhood (Qatar's proxy terror/crime syndicate) started and supported the civil war in Algeria in the 90's, they started and still support the insurgency in Syria since 2011, and in 2013 they tried to start a civil war in Egypt but failed miserably.

    And what will Mistral ships do for Egypt here? Libya is on the western border of Egypt. They only need strong ground force and air force. Both Egypt and Algeria could intervene in Libya and restore law and order in the northern Africa. But do they have the will to do this? How will NATO react? Where Egypt have problems, Mistral is of no use, they are deep inside Africa or in the desert.
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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:12 pm

    medo wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Militarov wrote:"Rusija će isporučiti egipatskim „mistralima“ helikoptere i prateću opremu u vrednosti od preko milijardu dolara. To je saopštio šef administracije ruskog predsednika Sergej Ivanov. Prema njegovim rečima, Rusija će da isporuči svu nedostajuću opremu bez koje su ti brodovi „obične konzerve", uključujući, naravno, i helikoptere.Ranije je saopšteno da su ruski koncerni „Morinformsistema-Agat" i „Radioelektronske tehnologije" spremne da opreme ove brodove najnovijim tehnološkim sistemima, uključujući i sistem radioelektronske zaštite 5P28 Pobeditelj."


    Russia will deliver Helicopters and following equipment for Egyptian Mistrals worth over 1 billion USD. That was stated by chief of administration Sergei Ivanov. By his statement Russia shall deliver all missing equipment without which Mistrals are just "cans" including helicopters. It was earlier annoynced that Russian concern Morinformsistema-Agat and Radioelektronske tehnologije are ready to equip these ships with newest system including system for radioelectronic protection 5P25 Pobeditel".

    If anyone need any help with original serbian text i mean rest of it, feel free to ask.


    "As is known, France is currently negotiating with Egypt for the sale of two Mistral ships that were previously built for Russia. On Thursday, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said that Russia is ready to sell electronic equipment for the Mistral ships to their future buyer, as reported by RIA Novosti.
    KRET has proposed to equip the Mistral ships with 5P28 Pobeditel electronic defense systems, which can be installed on large ships such as aircraft carriers, helicopter carriers, and cruisers. The system greatly increases a ship’s life expectancy." - directly from KRET

    Source: http://kret.com/en/news/3999/
    Fascinating, so not only did Russia get its roughly $1B back (plus saved its own fit out cost) but now it gets another $1B for fitting them out for the Egyptians. Got to be some happy faces in Moscow.

    It's called Lol Sanctions.

    So Egypt will pay 2 billion dollars for 2 Mistrals, which Egypt doesn't need and doesn't have that much money to throw it away. Most probably those ships will go to Russia to be fitted with Russian equipment and helicopters. Why I have a feeling, that Egypt will compensate the costs with simply leaving one Mistral in Russia or maybe even both.

    Would be even loler, but I think this is just Sissi OverPutinisating. Plus Mistrals would be of limited use for Egypt in shore operations. But basically there's better to do with 2 billions than spending them in dead capital. But Russian sales wohooo
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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Militarov on Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:02 pm

    "Russia may supply to Egypt up to 80 Kamov Ka-52 Alligator [NATO reporting name: Hokum B] attack helicopters and Ka-52K Katran (navalized derivative of Ka-52) helicopters designed for Mistral helicopter carriers, a source in the system of Russia’s military technical cooperation with other countries told TASS Tuesday. The source said that after a contract with France for Mistrals, Egypt is assessing the number of Russian helicopters that may be supplied for these vessels. "In addition to 50 Ka-52 Alligator attack helicopters, the contract for which has already been signed, the Egyptian side plans to acquire, in order to equip Mistrals, Ka-52K Katran naval helicopters and is now making up its mind about their number," the source said.


    "It is not ruled out that the Egyptian side will decide to deploy 16 Ka-52K helicopters at each of its ships, then the volume of the planned order will grow to 32 items, and the overall amount of Ka-52 type helicopters for Egypt will reach 70-80 items," he said. The source said the Russian-Egyptian contract for Ka-52K ship-based helicopters may be signed in the first quarter of 2016."


    Not actual Mistral news but strong connection here Smile. So this would bring KA52 orders for Egypt to...82 right?

    Source: http://tass.ru/en/defense/830287

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  JohninMK on Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:35 pm

    This Mistral business is turning into real a 'Law of Unintended Consequences' classic. The last thing the US must have wanted when pressurising the French (remember the $B warning fine on the French bank) to cancel the Russian delivery was to have Russian military orders, especially attack helicopters, to be boosted.

    Also re the comments above, my understanding is that it is not the Egyptians that are finding the money for the two ships but the Saudi's or other Gulf money this paying for the ships either direct of via loans. Kind of increasing the Saudi Navy with Egyptian mercenaries would be a cynical way of looking at it.
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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Militarov on Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:13 pm

    "The first round of talks between Russia and Egypt over the supply of equipment from the universal landing ship Mistral has ended, a source in the defense cooperation community reported. "The first round of talks ended last week. Thus far it’s just an exchange of opinions, but our Egyptian partners are interested in some subsystems," the source said. The issue of equipment delivery will be resolved only following the settlement of all the problems related to the sale to Egypt of the Ka-52K helicopters, a ship-based version of the reconnaissance and combat Ka-52 Alligator helicopter, developed for the Mistrals. An official of the United Instrument Manufacturing Corporation /UIMC, incorporated by Rostec State Corporation/, the developer of equipment for the Mistrals built for Russia, noted that Egypt in no case will be able to get all of the Russian equipment for the helicopter carriers for security reasons. Nonetheless, he said with confidence "we’ve got what to offer to our partners."



    The Russian communications and control systems have been dismantled from the Mistral helicopter carriers and are ready for shipment to Russia. "All the Russian equipment has been removed from the helicopter carriers and is prepared for shipment to Russia," a source in the defense industry said. A contract to supply Egypt with two Mistrals that have been built for the Russian Navy was signed on October 10. The ships are expected to be delivered to the new customer in 2016 together with the landing craft. Previously, Sergey Ivanov, Chief of Staff of the Presidential Executive Office, reported that Russia plans to supply Egypt with equipment and helicopters for the Mistrals, under a deal that may exceed a billion dollars. According to the source in the defense cooperation community, Egypt intends to acquire Ka-52K helicopters developed for Mistrals and now mulls the number it needs. Rosoboronexport declared that to date the defense products exporter has not received official requests from Cairo.

    Since late September France has been dismantling the Russian-made equipment from the Mistrals. The DCNS Company, the builder of the ships, planned to complete work by the end of 2015. In early October the first lot of Russian equipment was dismantled from the helicopter carriers and shipped to Russia."


    Source: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3205
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    Post  George1 on Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:53 pm

    put it in egyptian navy thread. Its not in russian navy any more..


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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Militarov on Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:04 pm

    George1 wrote:put it in egyptian navy thread. Its not in russian navy any more..

    Its still sort of development regarding Mistral deal, which Russia still has part in by delivering equipment and helicopters. But sure i will post it in Egyptian navy too.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:31 pm

    George1 wrote:put it in egyptian navy thread. Its not in russian navy any more..
    Should someone close this thread then?
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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:37 pm

    Militarov wrote:

    Its still sort of development regarding Mistral deal, which Russia still has part in by delivering equipment and helicopters. But sure i will post it in Egyptian navy too.

    Egypt never went for Russian financing or the Ka-50 deal so it is out of our hands. Thread closed.


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