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    Post  mutantsushi on Mon Jun 01, 2015 11:51 pm

    would that be using the modular construction techniques ala Mistral which speeds construction time...?

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    Post  George1 on Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:52 am

    Russia-France Mistral Talks Expected to Continue in June

    Russia and France will discuss the deal for the delivery of two Mistral-class helicopter carriers built for the Russian Navy in June after negotiators failed to reach an agreement in May, a source told RIA Novosti.

    "The Mistral talks will definitely continue. No specific date has been set for the next meeting since last round of talks yielded no results. Both sides have to get ready for the talks," a source said, adding that the negotiations would take place in June.

    Last week, a French team visited Moscow but the mediators were unable to achieve any progress since France laid down "absolutely unacceptable" terms. According to a source familiar with the situation, the French insisted on the "annulment of bank accounts" among other things.

    Russia and France signed a $1.3 billion deal for the delivery of two Mistral-class ships in 2011.

    The deliveries were put on hold in late 2014 over Moscow's alleged involvement in the Ukrainian civil war. The Kremlin has repeatedly denied these groundless claims and pushed for peace in the war-torn nation.

    Should France fail to deliver the ships, Russia is entitled to a full refund, as well as penalties. In total, Moscow reportedly seeks $1.29 billion compensation, which France does not want to pay.

    Russia wants $890 million already transferred to France back, as well as a compensation for the purchase of the equipment and crew training. France is reportedly willing to pay some $870 million, a sum Moscow deems unacceptable.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150604/1022930509.html#ixzz3c5MJWmGM

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  Cplnew83 on Fri Jun 05, 2015 8:47 am

    jhelb wrote:
    GarryB wrote: I am beyond caring what is best for France... Razz

    Hey Garry, look what I found....... more good news for the French






    lol! lol! lol!

    We are living a really sad period ...
    64% of the french citizen think that The two LHD must be delivered according a january poll.
    Hollande is slowly killing us.

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:31 pm

    Actually looking at the pictures above and the inclusion of nuclear propulsion... I think a Russian developed vessel could be better for Russia than these two Mistrals.

    I liked the 200 bed hospital on board... for real operations and humanitarian operations and even good will visits to Asia and the island nations of the pacific this will be a huge asset, but with nuclear propulsion and a decent gun... say a Coalition mount to facilitate its own naval gun support, I am beginning to like these new designs better...


    Politics eh?

    Could have been a nice bit of work for French ship builders with future potential for further closer cooperation, but this will sour relations for decades...  another opportunity lost...


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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:32 pm

    Cplnew83 wrote:
    jhelb wrote:
    GarryB wrote: I am beyond caring what is best for France... Razz

    Hey Garry, look what I found....... more good news for the French






    lol! lol! lol!

    We are living a really sad period ...
    64% of the french citizen think that The two LHD must be delivered according a january poll.
    Hollande is slowly killing us.

    That avatar is suspiciously familiar...Ronguild, bienvenu parmi nous.

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    Post  Cplnew83 on Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:38 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    That avatar is suspiciously familiar...Ronguild, bienvenu parmi nous.

    Thank you (merci should I say).
    I really appreciate the quality of this forum.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:42 pm

    Cplnew83 wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    That avatar is suspiciously familiar...Ronguild, bienvenu parmi nous.

    Thank you (merci should I say).
    I really appreciate the quality of this forum.

    Off Topic
    wow and I always thought you are a Dutchman repairing your Fw:)

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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:35 pm

    Cplnew83 wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    That avatar is suspiciously familiar...Ronguild, bienvenu parmi nous.

    Thank you (merci should I say).
    I really appreciate the quality of this forum.

    C'est trop d'honneur. You add far more quality, that I ever could.

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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:00 am



    France Passes Some Technology to Russia on Construction of Mistral Warships







    According to the director of the department of military technical cooperation, France has handed over to Russia some technology in large-block assembly for the construction of Mistral-class helicopter carriers.


    So it looks ,that According to this new information France is giving exactly all details to Russia ,of how they build their mistrals. So Russia does not have to guesstimate not even a little.
    Even though Russia said they can do the mistrals and even better.. ones.. having the blue
    print with all the numbers and the building of them.. will makes things even easier.
    Probably france is doing this so they can save some money and settle the dispute about
    the Price they need to return for not delivering mistrals.


    http://sputniknews.com/world/20150618/1023510906.html


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    Post  Dima on Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:51 pm

    Nothing should stop Russia from demanding a good price from Hollande...that assole need to be taught a lesson. Raw & finished materials for Airbus and Boeing should have been stopped last year itself by Russian govt, dont know what they are waiting for. I would like to see all the contracts for Airbus and Boeing scrapped and all murican and vassal assets nationalised


    This article should be here as a reminder of how a 'broken' Russia has been more compassionate and accommodating to other nations... highlighting the French part only...

    Russia pays its debts and forgives billions to other countries
    03.10.2011

    Russia has completely repaid the debt of $185.7 million to Europe's largest creditor - Croatia. Moscow is expected to fully repay its debt to the countries of former Yugoslavia (Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina) before 2016.

    It is worthy of note that Russia continues to repay its debts to foreign countries at the time when it writes off the debts of foreign countries to Russia. It would be enough to remember how Germany made Russia pay $30 billion of debt, including $6 billion to the former GDR. One can witness the same situation with all of Russia's allies on the left block.

    Judging upon the report, which the Russian government submitted to the State Duma, Russia's public debt as of January 1, 2005 totaled $53.909 billion.  The debt had been reduced to $30.806 billion by January 1, 2006.

    The debt to the countries of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance dropped from $2.6926 to $2.106 billion during that time. The list included Russia's debt to the Czech Republic in the amount of $100 million, which was fully repaid in 2007, and the debt to Romania - $200 million.

    As of May 1, 2011, Russia's foreign debt was evaluated at $38.832.8 billion. The lion's share of this amount (29.82 billion) is the debt on European bonds. Russia continues to borrow funds during the times of the ongoing crisis, but no one is going to forgive Russia's debts.

    On April 22, 2010, Russia started making borrowings on foreign markets again, after a break of 12 years. It goes about the amount of $5.5 billion (two tranches of Eurobonds). However, it appears that Russia is so wealthy that it can afford to bid farewell to tens of billions of dollars.

    Foreign countries owe $68.968 billion to Russia as of January 1, 2006. A big part of this amount has already been written off. Russia forgave the following debts during the recent eleven years. Vietnam and Ethiopia - $10 and $4 billion in 2010. Laos and Mongolia - $0.7 and $11 billion in 2003. Syria and Ethiopia - $10 and $1 billion in 2005. Algeria - $4.7 billion in 2006. Afghanistan - $11 billion in 2007. Libya - $4.5 billion in 2008. Iraq - $8 billion in 2009. And finally, North Korea - $11 billion in 2011.

    This totals $76 billion. It appears that Russia is so rich that we, unlike the West, can afford doing such things. These are not all the details that reflect Russia's indiscriminate forgiveness. It is not ruled out that the same may happen to Cuba's debt - $19.5 billion.

    Many of those countries are rich with natural resources. However, what did Russia get from such countries as Iraq in return? A handful of highly unprofitable offers and that was it.

    Appendix 59 to Budget-2007 said that the Russian government was entitled to write off the debts to 13 poorest countries (Guyana in Latin America and 12 African countries - Congo, Ethiopia, Guinea, Guinea-Bisau, Mozambique, Zambia, Madagascar, Tanzania, Benin, San Tome and Principle Island, Burundi and Chad) which made up the total of nearly one billion dollars.

    The majority of those countries are rich with oil, uranium, copper, etc. However, Russia received no good contracts for those resources instead. This may only lead to negative consequences for Russia because the country suffers considerable financial losses.

    Many countries of the former USSR (Uzbekistan, Ukraine, Belarus, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Moldova) owed Russia $3.294 billion in the beginning of 2006.

    Is Russia wealthy enough indeed to refuse from tens of billions of dollars? Russia's internal state debt increased from 778.5 to 875.4 billion rubles. The line in the document about household deposit compensation was left unfilled: the amount of this debt has not been evaluated officially yet.

    Russian official say that debts hamper the development of commercial and economic ties between countries. One may have an official approach to this problem. The debt and the pressure from a creditor may only boost the development of those ties. Many developing states are rich with natural resources, so they could successfully repay their debts with those resources. If they could not, then they would have to repay their debt plus interest to Russia, as international laws stipulate. France was waiting for a hundred years for the debts of tsarist Russia to be repaid. Why couldn't Paris just write those debts off during the Soviet era?

    The French strongly refused to forgive the tsarist debt. The legal entity in the face of tsarist Russia, which borrowed money from France, stopped its existence. The USSR, which replaced tsarist Russia, refused to even say a word about it. The French could have written off the debt after the collapse of the Soviet Union. However, Russia fully repaid the tsarist debt to France.

    Nowadays, it seems that Russia is ready to write off the debts of all of its debtors. "What can you have from such a poor country as North Korea?" skeptics may say. We would like to remind everyone here that the news about the debt forgiveness to North Korea was announced simultaneously with Russia's agreement to lease  200,000 hectares of land to North Korea  in the Amur region. The price is astonishing: 50 rubles ($2) per hectare. To crown it all, Russia will deliver the humanitarian aid of 50,000 tons of wheat to Pyongyang in August-September of this year.

    World prices on wheat made up $267 per ton in July of this year. It just so happens that Russia is spending $13.35 million on the humanitarian aid to Kim Jong-il. Russia could use this to gain access to North Korean non-ferrous metals. However, there is nothing to prove that Russia is going to receive anything in return.

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    About Tsarist debt... article dated Sep. 25 1997
    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/france-moves-to-settle-tsarist-debts/300037.html

    France had claimed the Soviet government owed some $30 billion after it repudiated its pre-World War I debt to 400,000 French holders of tsarist bonds.

    Under the new agreement, Moscow settled the claim by agreeing to pay France $400 million within three years.

    In turn, Moscow said it would drop claims for compensation from Paris for damage caused by France's 1918-1922 intervention in the Russian civil war following the 1917 Bolshevik revolution, according to the document.

    Moscow agreed not to seek the return of gold transferred to Germany under the 1918 Brest-Litovsk peace accord, which pulled Russia out of World War I. The gold was later transferred to France under the 1919 Versailles peace treaty after the end of the war.

    Russia also agreed to drop claims for the return of imperial gold reserves seized by the opponents of the Bolsheviks in the civil war and sent to France.

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    Re: Mistral News thread

    Post  zepia on Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:53 pm

    French-the-liar

    http://tass.ru/en/russia/801972
    ST. PETERSBURG, June 18. /TASS/. Russia has not received the technology for the Mistral class helicopter carriers’ construction from France, Russian Industry and Trade Minister Denis Manturov told journalists on Thursday.

    "What technology we have received? - none as of today," he said, adding that "we already had the hull modular design technology, we just had no orders, and we supplied the stern section and the fore-body."


    A number of media reports said previously that Russia received from France the technology for the construction of the Mistral class helicopter carrying warships.

    The €1.12-billion contract to build the Mistral amphibious assault ships for the Russian Navy was signed in June 2011. In case it is not implemented, France will have to pay Russia a penalty fee. The first Mistral, the Vladivostok, was floated in October 2013. It was expected to be handed over to Russia by the French side in autumn 2014, but the handover did not take place due to the situation in Ukraine.

    The second Mistral, the Sevastopol, was to be delivered to Russia in October 2015, but the deal was suspended too.

    France suspended the delivery of Mistrals to Russia as part of a package of sanctions the European countries imposed on Moscow for what they claimed was its alleged role in destabilisation of east Ukraine. Russia has constantly dismissed allegations that Moscow could in any way be involved in hostilities in Ukraine’s east. Russian Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin said on May 9 that France can’t make decisions on the sale of Mistral helicopter carriers without Russia’s consent as the Russian Federation has the end user certificate.

    Previous reports suggested that the French side was ready to pay compensation to Russia if the helicopter carriers are not delivered. Moscow has repeatedly said that it wold be satisfied with any variant - either the ships or money. In early June, Russian presidential aide for military-technical cooperation

    Vladimir Kozhin said that he hoped that the situation with the Mistral warships would be resolved during the summer. Russia wants to have all expenses related to production of the ships to be covered, he said. "Money or ships," Kozhin said. "Money means money. We do not lose a lot if we don’t get these ships."

    On May 15, Russia’s Kommersant business daily reported with reference to "sources in the sphere of military-technical cooperation" that France has drafted and sent Moscow proposals on termination of a French-Russian agreement on construction of Mistral helicopter carriers for Russia.

    These proposals "imply that about €785 million will be returned to Russia, which the country will only be able to obtain after its government issues a written permission to sell the vessels to any third party without any reservations," the newspaper said.

    It said "Moscow does not agree with such an approach," assesses its "expenditures and losses in connection with the broken contract at €1.163 billion and does not intend to issue any permits for re-export until the money is returned."

    "The option with the return of the sum mentioned in the French proposal does not suit us at all, and Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin already informed French Defense and National Security Secretary General Louis Gautier, authorized to hold talks on their part, of that. They are now preparing their arguments," a source said.

    According to assessments of the French weekly Le Point, annulment of the deal to supply Mistrals to Russia may cost France from €2 billion to €5 billion.

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:21 pm

    Dima wrote:Nothing should stop Russia from demanding a good price from Hollande...that assole need to be taught a lesson. Raw & finished materials for Airbus and Boeing should have been stopped last year itself by Russian govt, dont know what they are waiting for. I would like to see all the contracts for Airbus and Boeing scrapped and all murican and vassal assets nationalised

    If we made such demands it would make us look weak shaking a fist. There are other places aerospace can source materials so it hurts us more than them. We get our money back and free blueprints for modular ship building... it is a fine trade. We need to be more aggressive on the export front, France has overtaken us as the world's second largest arms exporter while our deals get sidetracked.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:05 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote: We need to be more aggressive on the export front, France has overtaken us as the world's second largest arms exporter while our deals get sidetracked.  

    What a Face  What a Face  What a Face

    http://www.sipri.org/research/armaments/transfers/measuring/recent-trends-in-arms-transfers

    SIPRI claims Russian arms export is 5,5 times bigger then French.

    But yes if you meant competing with jean paul gaultier perfumes, France is in a way better position  lol!

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:08 am

    France has signed €15 billion worth of contracts in the last three months, more than we sold as a whole last year.


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    Post  collegeboy16 on Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:57 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:France has signed €15 billion worth of contracts in the last three months, more than we sold as a whole last year.
    well...
    French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said on Tuesday that talks with New Delhi over the purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jets were progressing well and would be finalised within “two to three months”.
    http://idrw.org/india-to-seal-deal-on-rafale-jets-in-2-to-3-months-says-french-minister/
    "2-3 months" - theyve been there before havent they?

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    Post  max steel on Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:08 am

    US is at number 1 29%  with Russia at number 2 27 % followed by China now at number 3 9-10% then Germany at 4 8-9% . France is nowhere in weapons market share  .

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:53 am

    Russia wont benefit from trying to screw France just because their leader is a puppet.

    It is not the fault of the french workers that their government is full of cowards.

    Cut your losses... get the best deal you can and just get over it... but don't forget the lesson... domestic production only.


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:03 pm

    GarryB wrote:Russia wont benefit from trying to screw France just because their leader is a puppet.

    It is not the fault of the french workers that their government is full of cowards.

    Cut your losses... get the best deal you can and just get over it... but don't forget the lesson... domestic production only.

    Do you think if US will down yet another Boeing to blame Russia? US elites are getting desperate D day is close and masses of hungry armed citizens is no good for them as well ... no money to pay military either for them.



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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:10 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:France has signed €15 billion worth of contracts in the last three months, more than we sold as a whole last year.

    I am not sure what exact deals did you mean - prospects or inked ones? In every case looks like Russia sold arms last year for over $15,5 bln and Russian arms export portfolio topped $50 bln so cheer up ain´t that bad. Russia has pretty good export policy and I do not think it shall be changed.

    http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150525/1022534291.html

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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 19, 2015 1:19 pm


    It is Even Bigger: Russia's New Helicopter Carrier to Replace Mistrals


    Russia's projected helicopter carrier Lavina is even larger than France's Mistral.


    http://sputniknews.com/military/20150619/1023561835.html

    KUBINKA (Moscow Region), (Sputnik) – The Russian Krylov State Research Center has developed a helicopter carrier project to replace the Mistral-class warships that were not delivered by France, a high-ranking official in the Russian military industrial complex said Friday.

    “The Russian Krylov State Research Center has developed an alternative to the Mistral project of a helicopter carrier, called the Lavina, with a water displacement of 24,000 tons, which is even larger than the French-made ship [of 21,000 tons],” the official said at the Army-2015 military expo outside Moscow.

    According to the official, the new warship is a semi-trimaran with capabilities to sail 5,000 miles at 18 knots without service calls and a maximum speed of 22 knots. The vessel will carry 320 crewmembers and can take on an additional 500 troops or 50 armored vehicles.

    In late May, Deputy Chairman of the Russian Military Industrial Complex Oleg Bochkaryov said that Russia planned to build its own Mistral-class helicopter carriers.

    On Thursday, the director of the department of military technical cooperation, Alexei Diky, said France had handed over to Russia some technology in large-block assembly for the construction of Mistral-class helicopter carriers.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:19 pm

    Failed Mistral Deal Causes Fight Among French Government Agencies

    French government agencies are fighting over the future of the Mistral deal, French political analyst Xavier Moreau told Radio Sputnik.


    http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150619/1023582681.html

    Commenting on the failed Mistral deal, Moreau said that there is a disagreement on the state level between the Defense Ministry and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

    "It is a well-known fact that there is an internal struggle within the French government, especially between the Defense Ministry, which knows well that if France doesn't deliver the two Mistrals to Russia it will cost the country two of its own frigates, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which has a purely ideological atlanticist point of view," Moreau told Sputnik.

    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs deceived the government in Paris by telling that first of all it would be easy to "buy Russians for a song," second, France would easily find other buyers for its Mistrals and third, that the deal would be quickly resolved, Moreau said.

    This is what the French government currently has to deal with, said the political expert, adding that the entire situation is the fault of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

    "It [The Ministry of Foreign Affairs] realized that it won't be able to sell Mistrals to other countries, because China is the only potential customer for the French helicopter carriers! But I think Americans will rather prefer France selling the Mistrals to Russia, not China," Moreau said.

    The moment of truth is coming up soon, said the political expert.

    "Either France will pay for the failed deal from the budget of the Defense Ministry or it [the French government] will give them to Russia," Moreau said.

    The cancellation of the Mistral deal failed to bring any political outcomes to France and now the country is in a “ridiculous situation,” said Caroline Galacteros, a French Political Science professor.

    France and Russia signed the $1.5 billion Mistral deal in 2011. Paris agreed to deliver two Mistral-class helicopter carriers to Russia in November of 2014 and June of 2015. However, France suspended the delivery, citing Moscow's alleged interference in the Ukrainian crisis.

    The deal was suspended in May and now France has to refund the money. Russia wants $890 million already pre-paid to France back, as well as a compensation for the purchase of the equipment and crew training. France is reportedly willing to pay around $870 million, a sum Moscow deems unacceptable.

    Selling the ships to a third party is a complicated task, since France needs Moscow's permission to do so. Russia has repeatedly stated that it will not sign off on this, since Mistrals were custom tailored for the Russian Navy making this an issue of national security.


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    Post  Vladimir79 on Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:12 pm

    collegeboy16 wrote:
    Vladimir79 wrote:France has signed €15 billion worth of contracts in the last three months, more than we sold as a whole last year.
    well...
    French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said on Tuesday that talks with New Delhi over the purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jets were progressing well and would be finalised within “two to three months”.
    http://idrw.org/india-to-seal-deal-on-rafale-jets-in-2-to-3-months-says-french-minister/
    "2-3 months" - theyve been there before havent they?

    That number didn't even include India. Egypt, Qatar, SKA, Lebanon, Poland have all booked multi-billion tenders with France this year. India and Kuwait are in the finalization of billion+ tenders with them right now and they expect a huge Rafale sale to UAE or Malaysia. What multi-billion contract did we sign this year, i can't remember.


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    Post  collegeboy16 on Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:20 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:

    That number didn't even include India.  Egypt, Qatar, SKA, Lebanon, Poland have all booked multi-billion tenders with France this year.  India and Kuwait are in the finalization of billion+ tenders with them right now and they expect a huge Rafale sale to UAE or Malaysia.  What multi-billion contract did we sign this year, i can't remember.  
    whoops, my bad Embarassed.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:23 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    collegeboy16 wrote:
    Vladimir79 wrote:France has signed €15 billion worth of contracts in the last three months, more than we sold as a whole last year.
    well...
    French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said on Tuesday that talks with New Delhi over the purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jets were progressing well and would be finalised within “two to three months”.
    http://idrw.org/india-to-seal-deal-on-rafale-jets-in-2-to-3-months-says-french-minister/
    "2-3 months" - theyve been there before havent they?

    That number didn't even include India.  Egypt, Qatar, SKA, Lebanon, Poland have all booked multi-billion tenders with France this year.  India and Kuwait are in the finalization of billion+ tenders with them right now and they expect a huge Rafale sale to UAE or Malaysia.  What multi-billion contract did we sign this year, i can't remember.  

    Of course I might  be not correct but if I sign a contract, today, to sell 24 Su-35 with delivery  in 2020 then

    1) I add now $2 bln to a portfolio but exported nothing yet.
    2) I  get transfer for delivery in 2020 so I add $2 bln to exported results and deduct from portfolio.

    France did not export anything yet but added to portfolio $15bln.  I mean is supposed to add cause neither Indian nor Polish deals are not inked yet.

    Russia portfolio is over $50bln as Sputnik claims and last year export (ie shipments of goodies and transfers received) was on level of $15,5bln.

    Contracts close to sign by Russia? lately Egypt
    46 MiG-35 ~$2bln
    pending $1bln + S-300

    Still pending deal with iraq for $4,2bln-  

    I did not dig  anything though about deals with India wrt helos and Ils of China. Remember there is still June.


    Summing up - French are waning around about export but they sing just contrast to portfolio... comparing 15 France to 50+ Russian still looks rather dwarfey. But France 24 is lying on purpose -you know Russians are drunkards and loosers because IIWW was won by French imperial army Smile


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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:58 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:

    Of course I might  be not correct but if I sign a contract, today, to sell 24 Su-35 with delivery  in 2020 then

    1) I add now $2 bln to a portfolio but exported nothing yet.
    2) I  get transfer for delivery in 2020 so I add $2 bln to exported results and deduct from portfolio.

    France did not export anything yet but added to portfolio $15bln.  I mean is supposed to add cause neither Indian nor Polish deals are not inked yet.

    Russia portfolio is over $50bln as Sputnik claims and last year export (ie shipments of goodies and transfers received) was on level of $15,5bln.

    Contracts close to sign by Russia? lately Egypt
    46 MiG-35 ~$2bln
    pending $1bln + S-300

    Still pending deal with iraq for $4,2bln-  

    I did not dig  anything though about deals with India wrt helos and Ils of China. Remember there is still June.

    We didn't sign anything major this year. France stomped us on the export front. When a contract is signed, a large payment is forwarded or financing is arranged. Either way they log massive numbers, not to mention it is logged on top of what they normally do.


    Summing up - French are waning around about export but they sing just contrast to portfolio... comparing 15 France to 50+ Russian still looks rather dwarfey. But France 24 is lying on purpose -you know Russians are drunkards and loosers because IIWW was won by French imperial army Smile

    The French order book is quickly approaching ours.



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