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    Post  erot10 on Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:03 pm

    Su 35 is by far more advanced than the su 30mki the irbis e radar can detect a 3m2 target(mig 29) at 350 to 400km away while the bars radar on the su 30mki can detect the mig 29 only at 140km max
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:48 pm

    erot10 wrote:Su 35 is by far more advanced than the su 30mki the irbis e radar can detect a 3m2 target(mig 29) at 350 to 400km away while the bars radar on the su 30mki can detect the mig 29 only at 140km max

    When working like an AWACS it can detect targets at 400 km too. But can't engage them at this distance.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:52 pm

    George1 wrote:"Russian Knights" received today the next 4 Su-30SMs, in addition to the ones previously delivered. So now they are fully re-grouped with 8 birds. russia



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2293427.html

    Are these combat ready ? They should give them to the airforce instead of using them for shows.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:58 pm

    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:"Russian Knights" received today the next 4 Su-30SMs, in addition to the ones previously delivered. So now they are fully re-grouped with 8 birds. russia



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2293427.html

    Are these combat ready ? They should give them to the airforce instead of using them for shows.

    Yes they are, its one of the requirements so pilots can normally train for combat duties too.

    They needed replacement so...
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:09 am


    When working like an AWACS it can detect targets at 400 km too. But can't engage them at this distance.

    This can reach 200km:

    http://www.ktrv.ru/production/68/649/1526/

    The Russian version extends that to 300km AFAIK.


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:32 pm

    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:"Russian Knights" received today the next 4 Su-30SMs, in addition to the ones previously delivered. So now they are fully re-grouped with 8 birds. russia



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2293427.html

    Are these combat ready ? They should give them to the airforce instead of using them for shows.

    Yeah, I never quite understood the point of this in Russia... If they want to demo the plane, they should go for a solo display of one plane. Parade it in airshows all over and be done with it. If they want to have an acro team, older Su-27s should be enough. FFS they don't have many Su-30 Flankers at all, to deploy so many like that... stress them up with acrobatics. Rolling Eyes
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:09 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:FFS they don't have many Su-30 Flankers at all, to deploy so many like that... stress them up with acrobatics. Rolling Eyes

    with the last deliveries the number of Su-30 Flankers in VKS is:
    81 Su-30SM
    20 Su-30M2

    101 in total


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:03 pm

    George1 wrote:101 in total

    Which is way too low for utilizing 4% of the fleet like that.
    They should go solo with those acrobatics or use some of their new trainers. Also plenty of older Flankers around to waste in that department.

    my two cents
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:24 pm

    They will get more. Its just that they give to this group first. There will be plenty more orders so lots of work still given.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:56 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:"Russian Knights" received today the next 4 Su-30SMs, in addition to the ones previously delivered. So now they are fully re-grouped with 8 birds. russia

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2293427.html

    Are these combat ready ? They should give them to the airforce instead of using them for shows.

    Yeah, I never quite understood the point of this in Russia... If they want to demo the plane, they should go for a solo display of one plane. Parade it in airshows all over and be done with it. If they want to have an acro team, older Su-27s should be enough. FFS they don't have many Su-30 Flankers at all, to deploy so many like that... stress them up with acrobatics. Rolling Eyes

    I think they should go back to MiG-21BiS, so they can repaint there Su-27s and send them to frontline unit.

    That is not the point, aerobatic teams are going all over the globe, when they appear in worn out 25 years old shit people laugh. When Strizi were here in capital on airshow Turks and Greeks did nothing but laugh at MiGs state. Tbh they did not look very...how to put it...representative. Also playing with fire flying in such demanding conditions 25+ years old Su-27... i was hoping these would get replaced alot earlier but better than never.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:07 pm

    French demonstration team uses alpha jet ... US navy Hornets... some other country don't even have one. Turks and Greeks should look at their air forces composed of foreign Aircraft, Russia has its industy and these Migs and Sukhois would just blow them up with a new paint or not.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:19 pm

    Isos wrote:French demonstration team uses alpha jet ... US navy Hornets... some other country don't even have one.

    There's no comparison in fleet size between USAF, USN and Russians. And had you read carefully my point, it was about having 4% of one's modern type fleet dedicated for relatively useless, high-stress acrobatics.

    Isos wrote:Turks and Greeks should look at their air forces composed of foreign Aircraft, Russia has its industy and these Migs and Sukhois would just blow them up with a new paint or not.

    We've taken down US-made planes with French-made and US-made ones. Israelis have blown Soviet pilots out of the sky with relative ease and as recently as last year the Turks blew a Russian Sukhoi out of the sky. Even the Pakistanis have punished the Soviets in that regard.

    But, how is all that relevant here? dunno
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:24 pm

    Isos wrote:French demonstration team uses alpha jet ... US navy Hornets... some other country don't even have one. Turks and Greeks should look at their air forces composed of foreign Aircraft, Russia has its industy and these Migs and Sukhois would just blow them up with a new paint or not.

    Thunderbirds fly on Block 52s.

    When its about Blue Angels they refused offered Super Hornet modifications that were offered to them in 2015. They claim its not suitable replacement due to degraded flight characteristics compared to legacy Hornets. Blue angles acummulated over 10.000 flight hours on those machines, that is basically from the experience 3 lifespans of MiG-29.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:27 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Isos wrote:French demonstration team uses alpha jet ... US navy Hornets... some other country don't even have one. Turks and Greeks should look at their air forces composed of foreign Aircraft, Russia has its industy and these Migs and Sukhois would just blow them up with a new paint or not.

    Thunderbirds fly on Block 52s.

    When its about Blue Angels they refused offered Super Hornet modifications that were offered to them in 2015. They claim its not suitable replacement due to degraded flight characteristics compared to legacy Hornets. Blue angles acummulated over 10.000 flight hours on those machines, that is basically from the experience 3 lifespans of MiG-29.


    There are about 200 F-35s in the US right now, nobody ever thought of inducting them in a 4- or 6-plane display team from year-1. Or think of the F-15E being inducted in Thunderbirds circa 1990.

    PS. not that F-35 would make a greater acro plane than the Viper, but it's good enough.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:11 pm

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2395476.html



    KRET show diagrams of replacement of foreign components with domestic ones in Su-30SM. Thery also wrote, that radar have increased range comparing to export one and new ESM equippment.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  HM1199 on Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:25 am

    anyone has an idea about the radar of su 30 sm ? they are saying it is improved over bars , can someone link a source?
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:26 am

    franco wrote:Here is a bit of a surprise. The next unit to convert to the Su-30SM will be the 14th Guards Regiment at Kursk presently flying the Mig-29SMT. No word on where the Mig's will then transfer to.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2289926.html

    WTF? Why not replace unupgraded MiG-29S or Su-27s?
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:31 am

    medo wrote:http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2395476.html



    KRET show diagrams of replacement of foreign components with domestic ones in Su-30SM. Thery also wrote, that radar have increased range comparing to export one and new ESM equippment.

    Please, provide more details.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:07 am

    WTF? Why not replace unupgraded MiG-29S or Su-27s?

    If that unit got MiG-29SMT upgraded aircraft it probably needed them... which suggests when newer aircraft become available then newer aircraft will be deployed there and their upgraded MiG-29SMTs can be transferred elsewhere to where they are needed more.


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:38 pm

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2439802.html



    RuAF Su-30SM and Su-30M2 from Southern Military District have trainings with inflight refueling with Il-78 tanker.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:31 pm

    Russian Knights complete transition to the Su-30SM. And why the 30SM chosen over the 35;

    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20170322/1490557116.html
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:36 am

    Probably availability... it is easier to tie up a dozen Su-30s than to use a dozen Su-35s for the job.

    Can't wait until they transition to PAK FAs... Smile


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:32 am

    GarryB wrote:Probably availability... it is easier to tie up a dozen Su-30s than to use a dozen Su-35s for the job.

    Can't wait until they transition to PAK FAs...  Smile
    No, they chose it because it is a two seater.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:08 am

    Svyatoslavich wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Probably availability... it is easier to tie up a dozen Su-30s than to use a dozen Su-35s for the job.

    Can't wait until they transition to PAK FAs...  Smile
    No, they chose it because it is a two seater.

    And the production lines are fully running.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

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