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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:27 am

    Two more Su-30SM delivered to Millerovo;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2194760.html

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:36 am

    Till now for 2016

    Su-30SM Navy - 1
    Su-30SM AF - 2
    Su-30SM Knights - 4


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:25 pm



    Interesting picture of Su-30SM armed with R-77-1 and R-73 AAMs and KH-31 missiles flying over the sea. I wonder if this Su-30SM is one from contingent in Syria? Would be nice if RuAF finaly equip them with Hibiny ECM pods like Su-35 are.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:10 am

    It is the same plane and the same session of this photo:

    This seems to be the Astrakhan area, taken over the lower Volga and the Caspian sea coast.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:46 pm

    Here is a bit of a surprise. The next unit to convert to the Su-30SM will be the 14th Guards Regiment at Kursk presently flying the Mig-29SMT. No word on where the Mig's will then transfer to.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2289926.html


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Militarov on Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:47 pm

    franco wrote:Here is a bit of a surprise. The next unit to convert to the Su-30SM will be the 14th Guards Regiment at Kursk presently flying the Mig-29SMT. No word on where the Mig's will then transfer to.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2289926.html


    Seems like 29s have no future in RuAF at all.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:50 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    franco wrote:Here is a bit of a surprise. The next unit to convert to the Su-30SM will be the 14th Guards Regiment at Kursk presently flying the Mig-29SMT. No word on where the Mig's will then transfer to.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2289926.html


    Seems like 29s have no future in RuAF at all.

    A wide choice would be to hand all their MiG-29s (incl. SMTs) to Armenia and Syria. Focus on the Flankers and future PAK FA.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:52 am

    A very wide choice... but would it be a sensible one?

    The Su-30 series are the low cost low priority aircraft so replacing the MiG-29SMT makes sense if longer range flight performance is required.

    I doubt they will make enough MiG-35s to replace all existing MiG-29s in service, so many MiG-29SMT units will be replaced with cheaper model Flankers... but I suspect many of them will also be replaced with MiG-29M2s as well and later MiG-35s.





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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Militarov on Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:05 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    franco wrote:Here is a bit of a surprise. The next unit to convert to the Su-30SM will be the 14th Guards Regiment at Kursk presently flying the Mig-29SMT. No word on where the Mig's will then transfer to.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2289926.html


    Seems like 29s have no future in RuAF at all.

    A wide choice would be to hand all their MiG-29s (incl. SMTs) to Armenia and Syria. Focus on the Flankers and future PAK FA.

    I wouldnt mind if they gave few of those SMTs to us here either.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:13 pm

    "Russian Knights" received today the next 4 Su-30SMs, in addition to the ones previously delivered. So now they are fully re-grouped with 8 birds. russia



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2293427.html


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:13 pm

    The Sukhoi-30SM has impressive flight range and duration parameters, such as a combat range of 1,500 kilometers. It can also be used for training pilots for single-seat fighter jets of the future.

    Twelve suspension devices enable the plane to carry medium-range air-to-air missiles of the R-27 family (up to eight), R-77 (ten) and short-range R-73 missiles (up to six).

    Armed with anti-radar and anti-ship missiles Kh-31P and Kh-31A (up to six) the Sukhoi-30SM can be used in operations to suppress enemy air defense and destroy surface ships. Also, the Sukhoi-30SM is capable of delivering pin-point strikes with:

    • Kh-59 family missiles (up to five);

    • Guided air bombs KAB-250 (up to six), KAB-500 (up to six) and KAB 1500 (up to three);

    • Kh-29T missiles with a TV-guided warhead (up to six);

    • Unguided air bombs (100 kg, 250 kg and 500 kg).

    • Sets of unguided missiles S-8 (set B-8M) and S-13 (B-13P), and S-24 and S-25 missiles.


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    Post  erot10 on Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:03 pm

    Su 35 is by far more advanced than the su 30mki the irbis e radar can detect a 3m2 target(mig 29) at 350 to 400km away while the bars radar on the su 30mki can detect the mig 29 only at 140km max

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:48 pm

    erot10 wrote:Su 35 is by far more advanced than the su 30mki the irbis e radar can detect a 3m2 target(mig 29) at 350 to 400km away while the bars radar on the su 30mki can detect the mig 29 only at 140km max

    When working like an AWACS it can detect targets at 400 km too. But can't engage them at this distance.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:52 pm

    George1 wrote:"Russian Knights" received today the next 4 Su-30SMs, in addition to the ones previously delivered. So now they are fully re-grouped with 8 birds. russia



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2293427.html

    Are these combat ready ? They should give them to the airforce instead of using them for shows.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:58 pm

    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:"Russian Knights" received today the next 4 Su-30SMs, in addition to the ones previously delivered. So now they are fully re-grouped with 8 birds. russia



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2293427.html

    Are these combat ready ? They should give them to the airforce instead of using them for shows.

    Yes they are, its one of the requirements so pilots can normally train for combat duties too.

    They needed replacement so...

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:09 am


    When working like an AWACS it can detect targets at 400 km too. But can't engage them at this distance.

    This can reach 200km:

    http://www.ktrv.ru/production/68/649/1526/

    The Russian version extends that to 300km AFAIK.


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:32 pm

    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:"Russian Knights" received today the next 4 Su-30SMs, in addition to the ones previously delivered. So now they are fully re-grouped with 8 birds. russia



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2293427.html

    Are these combat ready ? They should give them to the airforce instead of using them for shows.

    Yeah, I never quite understood the point of this in Russia... If they want to demo the plane, they should go for a solo display of one plane. Parade it in airshows all over and be done with it. If they want to have an acro team, older Su-27s should be enough. FFS they don't have many Su-30 Flankers at all, to deploy so many like that... stress them up with acrobatics. Rolling Eyes

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:09 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:FFS they don't have many Su-30 Flankers at all, to deploy so many like that... stress them up with acrobatics. Rolling Eyes

    with the last deliveries the number of Su-30 Flankers in VKS is:
    81 Su-30SM
    20 Su-30M2

    101 in total


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:03 pm

    George1 wrote:101 in total

    Which is way too low for utilizing 4% of the fleet like that.
    They should go solo with those acrobatics or use some of their new trainers. Also plenty of older Flankers around to waste in that department.

    my two cents

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:24 pm

    They will get more. Its just that they give to this group first. There will be plenty more orders so lots of work still given.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:56 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:"Russian Knights" received today the next 4 Su-30SMs, in addition to the ones previously delivered. So now they are fully re-grouped with 8 birds. russia

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2293427.html

    Are these combat ready ? They should give them to the airforce instead of using them for shows.

    Yeah, I never quite understood the point of this in Russia... If they want to demo the plane, they should go for a solo display of one plane. Parade it in airshows all over and be done with it. If they want to have an acro team, older Su-27s should be enough. FFS they don't have many Su-30 Flankers at all, to deploy so many like that... stress them up with acrobatics. Rolling Eyes

    I think they should go back to MiG-21BiS, so they can repaint there Su-27s and send them to frontline unit.

    That is not the point, aerobatic teams are going all over the globe, when they appear in worn out 25 years old shit people laugh. When Strizi were here in capital on airshow Turks and Greeks did nothing but laugh at MiGs state. Tbh they did not look very...how to put it...representative. Also playing with fire flying in such demanding conditions 25+ years old Su-27... i was hoping these would get replaced alot earlier but better than never.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:07 pm

    French demonstration team uses alpha jet ... US navy Hornets... some other country don't even have one. Turks and Greeks should look at their air forces composed of foreign Aircraft, Russia has its industy and these Migs and Sukhois would just blow them up with a new paint or not.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:19 pm

    Isos wrote:French demonstration team uses alpha jet ... US navy Hornets... some other country don't even have one.

    There's no comparison in fleet size between USAF, USN and Russians. And had you read carefully my point, it was about having 4% of one's modern type fleet dedicated for relatively useless, high-stress acrobatics.

    Isos wrote:Turks and Greeks should look at their air forces composed of foreign Aircraft, Russia has its industy and these Migs and Sukhois would just blow them up with a new paint or not.

    We've taken down US-made planes with French-made and US-made ones. Israelis have blown Soviet pilots out of the sky with relative ease and as recently as last year the Turks blew a Russian Sukhoi out of the sky. Even the Pakistanis have punished the Soviets in that regard.

    But, how is all that relevant here? dunno

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Militarov on Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:24 pm

    Isos wrote:French demonstration team uses alpha jet ... US navy Hornets... some other country don't even have one. Turks and Greeks should look at their air forces composed of foreign Aircraft, Russia has its industy and these Migs and Sukhois would just blow them up with a new paint or not.

    Thunderbirds fly on Block 52s.

    When its about Blue Angels they refused offered Super Hornet modifications that were offered to them in 2015. They claim its not suitable replacement due to degraded flight characteristics compared to legacy Hornets. Blue angles acummulated over 10.000 flight hours on those machines, that is basically from the experience 3 lifespans of MiG-29.


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Dec 29, 2016 7:27 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Isos wrote:French demonstration team uses alpha jet ... US navy Hornets... some other country don't even have one. Turks and Greeks should look at their air forces composed of foreign Aircraft, Russia has its industy and these Migs and Sukhois would just blow them up with a new paint or not.

    Thunderbirds fly on Block 52s.

    When its about Blue Angels they refused offered Super Hornet modifications that were offered to them in 2015. They claim its not suitable replacement due to degraded flight characteristics compared to legacy Hornets. Blue angles acummulated over 10.000 flight hours on those machines, that is basically from the experience 3 lifespans of MiG-29.


    There are about 200 F-35s in the US right now, nobody ever thought of inducting them in a 4- or 6-plane display team from year-1. Or think of the F-15E being inducted in Thunderbirds circa 1990.

    PS. not that F-35 would make a greater acro plane than the Viper, but it's good enough.

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