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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  flamming_python on Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:39 am

    GarryB wrote:Probably availability... it is easier to tie up a dozen Su-30s than to use a dozen Su-35s for the job.

    Can't wait until they transition to PAK FAs...  Smile

    They're still a full-fledged battle-ready fighter regiment just like every other.. plus they're the top guns of the Russian AF. So trying to save money at their expense wouldn't make sense; might as well give the best of the best and let them get acquainted with it.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Wed May 03, 2017 11:26 pm

    Kursk pilots trained on Su-30SM, to start operations by end of year;

    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20170503/1493587319.html
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Tue May 23, 2017 1:11 am

    Next unit converting to Su-30SM is getting ready to pick up their new aircraft;

    https://rg.ru/2017/05/22/reg-cfo/kurskie-letchiki-nachali-priem-sverhmanevrennyh-istrebitelej.html
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:42 am

    The 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment received the first two Su-30SM fighters russia

    On June 3, 2017, the first two multi-purpose Su-30SM fighter aircraft arrived in the composition of the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 105th Mixed Air Division of the 6th Leningrad Red Banner Army Air Force and Air Defense of the Western Military District at the airfield Khalino (Kursk), marking thus the beginning of the actual rearmament of the regiment with the "Algerian" fighters MiG-29SMT currently on its armament for the Su-30SM fighters. Both the arriving Su-30SM fighters with the red airborne numbers "71" and "72" built the Irkutsk Aviation Plant of the PJSC "Irkut Corporation" made an independent flight to Khalino from Irkutsk within 2 -3 June.



    These aircraft were built by the IAZ in the framework of the State Defense Order of 2017, and became the second batch of SU-30SM fighters transferred to the Russian Defense Ministry in 2017 - earlier in late May two Su-30SM fighters with blue 71 and 72 Serial numbers were transferred to the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy and became part of the 72nd aviation base of the Baltic Fleet aviation at the Chernyakhovsk airfield (Kaliningrad Region).

    In total, since 2012, 116 Su-30SM aircraft have been contracted for the Ministry of Defense of Russia, of which 88 are intended for the Russian Air Force (VCS), and another 28 for the Navy of the Russian Navy. To date, the Russian Air Force under the signed contracts thus obtained 68 Su-30SM fighters (of which 10 in 2016 and the two new ones in Khalino in 2017), and Marine Aviation - 17 (of which seven in 2016 and two in 2017).

    The plans for the rearmament of the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment (two-squadron convoy) from the MiG-29SMT fighters to Su-30SM fighters became known in 2016. In November, it was officially announced that the pilots of the 14th regiment arrived at the 4th Training and Retraining Center in Lipetsk for retraining for Su-30SM fighters.

    In an official message from the ZVO press service on the arrival of the first two Su-30SM in the 14th Aviation Regiment, it is said that "the fleet of the military unit will be fully re-equipped before the end of the year." In total, the regiment will include six more Su-30SM fighters. " Judging by the well-known IAZ production plans for 2017, the statement about the "complete rearmament of the end of the year" of the 14th regiment is premature, and by "shipments of 6 more Su-30SM fighters", implies the receipt by the 14th Regiment before the end of 2017, of another 12 aircraft.

    It can be assumed that the MiG-29SMT fighters, freed from the re-equipment of the 14th regiment, having a small age, will go to manning any new aviation regiment.





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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:38 pm

    Two more Su-30SM for Kursk;

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/95599/

    NOTE: still no information on the plans for the Mig-29SMT's based there.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:22 pm

    Is it possisble, by mix technology from Spphir 25 (Mig-25 radar of 400kW) and the Bar-R, to make a PESA with 400KW power and new processing to reach ranges of 700-800 km ?

    Irbis Is 20kW so a 400kW radar won't have probleme with this ranges. An AESA with 400 kW will have heat problems, they already have cooling issues with 10 kW power. So let's consider a PESA.

    Su-30 is a double seat so the rear man can use it at its limit and they wouldn't care about being detected by EW as the range would be big enough to stay out of the range of any fighter.

    Because of its RCS it will be spotted at max distance for every new radar so they should make it just for RAW POWER; powerfull radar, powerfull engines and put bigger missiles like a 250km R-77 and a 500 Km R-37.

    In terms of ECM it would destroy any seeker of any missile lunched at him.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:02 pm



    Interesting video of RuNAVY Su-30SM launching Kh-29T missile against target on the sea surface. It also show video picture of the target from OLS.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:22 am

    Upgraded Su-30SM1 fighter

    As the newspaper "Izvestia" reports in the article of Dmitry Litovkin and Alexei Ramm "The thirty" has reached the next level. The super-maneuverable Su-30SM fighter will receive fifth-generation weapons, "the Russian Defense Ministry and the Irkut Corporation are completing the modernization of the super-maneuverable Su-30SM fighter. He will be given the Su-30SM1 index. Improvements will affect on-board radio-electronic equipment, and aircraft will be able to use the latest high-precision ammunition. According to experts, the updated "drying" in its capabilities will equal the fifth-generation combat vehicles.



    As "Izvestia" was told in the command of the Air and Space Forces, the modernization of the Su-30SM takes into account the experience of daily and combat operation of fighters. Updated "drying" will receive a number of improvements in the field of on-board radio electronic equipment, as well as an expanded range of precision munitions. Several machines have already been modernized. The United Aircraft Corporation confirmed that the work was underway, but declined to comment further.

    Military expert Anton Lavrov told Izvestia that if a single digit is added to the name of the car, then most likely it's about adding new types of ammunition to the nomenclature of the fighter used by the weapon.

    "Su-30SM is a very good car," the expert said. - In the case of SM1, it may be about adding new suspension survey systems and integrating additional weapons. It can be assumed that the updated fighters will have the opportunity to apply the corrected KAB-250 air bombs, as well as the X-59MK2 air-to-surface missiles.

    The KAB-250 bomb has a modular design and can be equipped with high-precision satellite and laser guidance systems. The product was created in response to the development of US controlled air bombs of the SDB (Small Diameter Bomb) family. They are equipped with American fighters of the fifth generation F-22 and F-35. KAB-250 with a laser aiming head and high-explosive fragmentation warhead is designed to defeat unarmored equipment, railway junctions, warehouses and other enemy facilities. The air bomb can be used either singly or by volley from an aircraft equipped with on-board laser target designators, as well as with external illumination of targets from the ground.

    X-59MK2 - further development of the Kh-59 missile. The latter was intended to destroy surface targets such as "boat" or "ship". In the MK2 variant, the possibility of destroying low-contrast ground-based stationary targets with pre-explored coordinates was added to these capabilities. The missile belongs to the class of high-precision aviation weapons, acting on the principle of "shot-forget".

    The Su-30SM fighter is the latest modification of the most mass-produced Russian multipurpose Su-30 fighter of the "4 ++" generation. This is the first machine with super maneuverability. These qualities were obtained by the fighter thanks to the highly effective integral aerodynamic scheme of the airframe, the control system for the thrust vector of the AL-31FP engines, as well as the front horizontal empennage. Thanks to the onboard "Bars" radar, the pilot can use weapons in a maneuverable flight at a long range. At the same time, simultaneously attack one air and one ground targets.

    The aircraft is able to apply the entire spectrum of modern and advanced high-precision weapons of the air-to-air and air-to-surface class. Fly without refueling and suspension tanks up to 3 thousand km. During a recent visit to the Irkutsk Aviation Plant (IAZ) Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov said that in 2017 VCS is expecting the delivery of 17 new Su-30SM fighters.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:52 pm

    https://vpk.name/news/187282_kret_peredal_ministerstvu_oboronyi_dva_noveishih_aviacionnyih_bortovyih_kompleksa_radioelektronnogo_protivodeistviya.html

    Концерн Радиоэлектронные Технологии (КРЭТ) передал Министерству Обороны Российской Федерации новейшую станцию радиоэлектронного подавления САП-518СМ. Это – первая поставка данного изделия войскам в рамках исполнения Государственного оборонного заказа. Церемония передачи прошла на авиасалоне МАКС-2017.


    САП-518СМ является модернизированной версией станции помех САП-518, обладает более высокими ТТХ при значительном улучшении показателей надежности. По условиям государственного контракта КРЭТ продолжит передачу ВКС России станций САП-518СМ для оснащения самолетов СУ-30СМ.


    KRET delivered to RuAF first complete of new improved SAP-518SM ECM pods for Su-30SM fighters. Finaly they got them. Now SU-30SM need only targeting pod and it will be complete.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  slasher on Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:46 am

    Russian Defense Ministry Receives 100 Su-34s With Radio Warfare Systems

    SAP-518 is a new contract. This year, we are supplying some 15 sets for Su-30SM aircraft wrote:
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:17 pm



    In the video we could see a new build Su-30SM in Irkutsk with new Russian made HUD.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:50 pm



    Looking at this Picture from KRET it seems Su-30SM finally get its modernization with domestic components replacing foreign, integration of new weapons and ECM pods. They also write improved radar with longer range. Export Bars-M radar have range of 350 km, so we could assume upgraded domestic Bars-R radar have range of 400+ km.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:19 pm

    medo wrote:

    Looking at this Picture from KRET it seems Su-30SM finally get its modernization with domestic components replacing foreign, integration of new weapons and ECM pods. They also write improved radar with longer range. Export Bars-M radar have range of 350 km, so we could assume upgraded domestic Bars-R radar have range of 400+ km.

    Isn't this representing the differences between the MKI,MKM... versions and the SM. I've seen this before, without the upgranding part you're talking about, to show what are the domestic components build to replace the foreign ones.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:01 pm

    Su-30SM will this year receive their first SAP-518SM ECM pods and this is the first time I see SU-30SM with HUD from Su-35, before they all have HUD from Thales. Also we see this year integration of new Kh-29TD and R-77-1 missiles, so something is about this adaptation program from 2016 till 2019. Bars-R radar was modified from export Bars-M for domestic need, but with this upgrade they want to increase the range of radar.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:54 pm

    Αnother 2 Su-30SM for Kursk in 27 July.



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2759331.html

    The planes, which arrived on July 27, were built by the IAZ in the framework of the State Defense Order of 2017, and became the third batch of Su-30SM fighters transferred to the Russian Defense Ministry in 2017. As reported earlier, at the end of May, two Su-30SM fighters with blue airborne numbers "71" and "72" were transferred to the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy and became part of the 72nd aviation base of the Baltic Fleet aviation on the airfield Chernyakhovsk (Kaliningrad region), and on June 3, the first two Su-30SMs were introduced into the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment in Khalino for the rearmament of this regiment (red side numbers "71" and "72").

    In total, since 2012, 116 Su-30SM aircraft have been contracted for the Ministry of Defense of Russia, of which 88 are intended for the Russian Air Force (VCS), and another 28 for the Navy of the Russian Navy. To date, the Russian Air Force under the signed contracts thus obtained 70 Su-30SM fighters (of which ten in 2016 and four in Khalino in 2017), and Naval Aviation - 17 (seven of them in 2016 and two in 2017 Year).

    The plans for the rearmament of the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment (two-squadron convoy) from the MiG-29SMT fighters to Su-30SM fighters became known in 2016. In November, it was officially announced that the pilots of the 14th regiment arrived at the 4th Training and Retraining Center in Lipetsk for retraining for Su-30SM fighters.

    According to available information, in total in 2017 the 14th Aviation Regiment is to receive 14 Su-30SM aircraft.

    It can be assumed that the MiG-29SMT fighters, freed from the re-equipment of the 14th regiment, having a small age, will go to manning any new aviation regiment.


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  AMCXXL on Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:55 am

    New batch of 3 Su-30SM depoyed in summertime
    This time , tree planes to Baltic Fleet , Nº 73 , 74 , 75

    This makes a total of 92 handed over to Rusian armed forces , 72 for VKS and 20 for the Navy
    Other 8 are expected this year for the VKS , probably to complete one squadron at Kursk
    https://vk.com/wall211280617_2178



    George1 wrote:  FFS they don't have many Su-30 Flankers at all, to deploy so many like that... stress them up with acrobatics. Rolling Eyes

    The "acrobatic team" is not only an display unit
    237 TsPB of Kubinka have the same full capable planes that the other regiments . The pilots train every year for combat and bombing and probably are some of the better pilots of Russia
    In peacetime the first job is the acrobatic fly for display shows for all Rusia and aboard
    In case of war, Kubinka is the airbase of Moscow, is subordinated to the central command of VKS


    KiloGolf wrote:
    with the last deliveries the number of Su-30 Flankers in VKS is:
    81 Su-30SM
    20 Su-30M2

    101 in total

    About the numbers, the total of Su-30SM were 83 to the end of 2016
    Probably 2 of the planes, Nº50 & Nº51 (seen with numbers in red) were deployed in summer and were not announced , destined for complemet the Su-35 sqdn. of Vladivostok
    The Nº51 during the 2017 Air Force Day in Khurba



    The planes made by year:

    2 planes in 2012:  2 for VKS in Akhtubisnk
    14 planes in 2013: 14 for VKS (4 Lipestk , 10 Domna)
    21 planes in 2014: 18 for KVS (14 Domna , 4 Dzemgi) and 3 for Navy (Saki)
    27 planes in 2015: 22 for VKS (18 Millerovo , 4 Akhtubisnk) and 5 for Navy (Saki)
    19 planes in 2016: 12 for VKS (2 Millerovo , 2 Vladivostok , 8 Kubinka) and 7 for Navy (4 Saki , 2 Severomorsk , 1 Chernyakhovsk)
    17 planes in 2017: 12 for KVS (4 Kursk and 8 more expected in 2017) and 5 for Navy (Chernyakhovsk)

    Then 92 deployed and 8 more expected , a total of 100 at the end of 2017
    Next year probably 16  , 8 for VKS and 8 for Navy

    About Su-30M2 (MK2) you cannot count here, are totally different airplane than SU-30SM (MK5)
    Su-30M2 are for replace the older Su-27UB while Su-27SM/SM3 still works. After that ,about 2025 , will be send probably to training bases
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:29 am

    90 to the air force, 20 to Naval aviation = 90 total

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2802399.html


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  AMCXXL on Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:29 am

    George1 wrote:90 to the air force, 20 to Naval aviation = 90 total

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2802399.html

    Hello:
    Well, this is the count of Bmpd , but he is forgetting this two planes , built last year , which deployment was not announced by that blog

    Then , where do you think that are this two Su-30SM ?  Not in Domna, not in Millerovo , Not in Kursk , Not in Kubinka , Lipestk , Akhtubinsk or Dzemgi
    1311 Nº50 https://russianplanes.net/images/to196000/195973.jpg
    1312 Nº51 https://russianplanes.net/images/to197000/196148.jpg
    Probably those two airplanes was transferred to East in August one nigth before the dawn , as those 3 Su-30SM , but nobody took photos , because the planes did not a intermediate scale in a civil airport

    Nº51 has seen two times this year, in Vladivostok , as logical with the changed number to blue , and also in Khurba during the Airforce Day. Please look at the photo I listed avobe
    50-51 seem to be handed over without being announced , for complement one Su-35 squadron of Vladivostok as happens in Dzemgi : 4 Su-30SM for two squadrons of Su-35
    The planes made last year have serial numbers 1309 to 1409 , those are 21 planes, 19 for Russia and 2 for Kazajstan

    If you take the bmpd counts as valid , this three for the Baltic Fleet , he say that have 1416 , 1417 and 1418 serial numbers
    The account is simple:
    1001 to 1020 are 20 planes
    1101 to 1120  " "
    1201 to 1220  " "
    1301 to 1320  " "
    1401 to 1418 are 18

    Total 98: 6 for Kazajstán and 92 for Russia

    In fact , 1416 and 1417 still not deployed
    Nº 73 , 74 and 75 have 1418,1419,1420 serial numbers, this means Nº75 in the 100th Su-30SM produded in IAPO


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:08 am

    medo wrote:

    Looking at this Picture from KRET it seems Su-30SM finally get its modernization with domestic components replacing foreign, integration of new weapons and ECM pods. They also write improved radar with longer range. Export Bars-M radar have range of 350 km, so we could assume upgraded domestic Bars-R radar have range of 400+ km.

    I thought export Bars has something like 250km range? It would be interesting to know how far they extended the range of the radar, especially if the output of the power is the same. Reason why Irbis-E has 400km range is because of high power input. If they manage to increase the range to 400km or 300km or whatever for the Bars-R, then I would imagine such an upgrade to the Irbis-E would give it 450km plus range.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:50 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    medo wrote:

    Looking at this Picture from KRET it seems Su-30SM finally get its modernization with domestic components replacing foreign, integration of new weapons and ECM pods. They also write improved radar with longer range. Export Bars-M radar have range of 350 km, so we could assume upgraded domestic Bars-R radar have range of 400+ km.

    I thought export Bars has something like 250km range?  It would be interesting to know how far they extended the range of the radar, especially if the output of the power is the same.  Reason why Irbis-E has 400km range is because of high power input.  If they manage to increase the range to 400km or 300km or whatever for the Bars-R, then I would imagine such an upgrade to the Irbis-E would give it 450km plus range.

    It depend on the size of the target. Bars-M radar have 350 km range for bigger targets, I think it detect Su-27 at 330 km range. Irbis detect small 3 m2 targets at 400+ km range. Regarding Bars radars, Bars-M radar have peak power limited at 5 kW, but Chelnok transmitter inside have peak power 7 kW, so Bars-R in Su-30SM could work at 7 kW peak power and with newer processor longer range is not that difficult to reach comparing to export Bars-M in Su-30MKI/MKM. N001VEP with 6 kW peak power also have 350 km range against big targets and Bars is more modern PESA radar
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Cheetah on Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:03 pm

    I've always wondered what was meant by slapping a single operational range limit on different radars, especially since said limit is at the mercy of the situation.

    For instance:

    Irbis detect small 3m^2 targets at 400+ km range

    Grand that it specifies a rough target size, but what about the aspect? whether the radar is pointed at the rear, front or any other aspect of a target, and depending on the speed of the target, it could easily cause an alarming displacement of that value. So are these singular values describing the radar's performance when aimed at a target flying head on, or flying away? or is there some happy medium (a stationary target) which determines it?
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:05 pm

    What is rated is head on. All other sides are a guess. When they test the radar, they test it at various angles.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:28 am

    Given the size the aspect is not important is it?

    I mean a 3m2 target is a 3m2 target whether it is flying left or right or towards the radar.

    The important factor is RCS size and the fact that it will be a closing target.

    Receeding targets reduce tracking range.


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:37 pm

    I think there was one interesting info, which went through practicaly unnoticed. It was an info, that in 15th Oktober 2015 Su-30SM detect F-22 at range more than 40 km and that soon after that F-22s in Incirlik base were replaced by F-15C fighters. This is interesting as this was not in some exercise, where F-22 use additional devices to increase RCS and radar work in training mode, but in real combat zone, where F-22 fly in full stealth mode and with radar in combat mode. For sure Su-30SM record radar caracteristics with L-150 Pastel, which is also ELINT complex and not only a RWR. More important is, that they record real F-22 stealth caracteristics.

    Why this is interesting? Because RCS of F-35 is claimed to be around 0,005 m2 and RCS of F-22 is around 0,0001 m2.



    If we look at this graph published by Carlo Kopp from Ausairpower years ago, we could see, that N011M Bars-M radar should detect F-22 at range less than 10 km. This small RCS is for frontal aspect. If it detect it from the side and RCS is 100 times bigger, than it is still 0,01 m2 and Bars-M radar should detect it at little more than 20 km range. Bars-M radar have 40 km range for RCS 0,1 m2, what is 1000 times bigger than F-22 frontal RCS.

    Now we could assume, that Bars-R radar in Su-30SM is far better than export Bars-M, or F-22 is not that stealth as it is claimed to be or both.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  marcellogo on Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:40 pm

    medo wrote:I think there was one interesting info, which went through practicaly unnoticed. It was an info, that in 15th Oktober 2015 Su-30SM detect F-22 at range more than 40 km and that soon after that F-22s in Incirlik base were replaced by F-15C fighters. This is interesting as this was not in some exercise, where F-22 use additional devices to increase RCS and radar work in training mode, but in real combat zone, where F-22 fly in full stealth mode and with radar in combat mode. For sure Su-30SM record radar caracteristics with L-150 Pastel, which is also ELINT complex and not only a RWR. More important is, that they record real F-22 stealth caracteristics.

    Why this is interesting? Because RCS of F-35 is claimed to be around 0,005 m2 and RCS of F-22 is around 0,0001 m2.



    If we look at this graph published by Carlo Kopp from Ausairpower years ago, we could see, that N011M Bars-M radar should detect F-22 at range less than 10 km. This small RCS is for frontal aspect. If it detect it from the side and RCS is 100 times bigger, than it is still 0,01 m2 and Bars-M radar should detect it at little more than 20 km range. Bars-M radar have 40 km range for RCS 0,1 m2, what is 1000 times bigger than F-22 frontal RCS.

    Now we could assume, that Bars-R radar in Su-30SM is far better than export Bars-M, or F-22 is not that stealth as it is claimed to be or both.
    THe one of RCS was dismounted years ago: published valors were thebest ones i.e the ones at optimal angle of incidence of the radar waves, given that in an air to air engagement this angle is continously changing changhing such angles never remain stable.

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