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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:15 pm

    Apparently so, the third order was for 36 aircraft wasn't it. I believe the 88 figure is that of aircraft due for delivery by the end of 2018. So 10 for Naval Aviation and 72 for VKS delivered by the end of 2016. That leaves 34 (18+16) for delivery in 2017 and 2018.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:40 pm

    The group "Russian Knights" has received four Su-30SM



    According to reports on the web-site forums.airforce.ru, October 8, 2016, these four aircraft flew to the place of permanent stationing of "Russian Knights" at the Kubinka airfield near Moscow.

    Total in 2012 for the Ministry of Defense of Russia was contracted 116 Su-30cm, of which 88 are intended for the Air Force (FSI) of Russia, and 28 - for the Russian Navy Naval Aviation. So far, so VKS Russia within the framework of the signed contracts received 60 Su-30SM, and the Naval aviation - nine.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2170525.html


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:08 pm

    I hope Irkut will deliver more of them soon.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:30 pm

    Why don't they order just Su-35 ? It's better than Su-30 in all aspects.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:49 pm

    Isos wrote:Why don't they order just Su-35 ? It's better than Su-30 in all aspects.

    I think Su-30SM is actually a double seat Su-35


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Militarov on Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:52 pm

    Isos wrote:Why don't they order just Su-35 ? It's better than Su-30 in all aspects.

    Its alot more expencive actually, almost double expencive actually when you take everything in count.

    30SM on other hand is tandem seater with almost identical kinematic performance, payload and range but is less capable in terms of avionics, but is quite alot cheaper and allows introduction in numbers to replenish decaying T-10 fleet. And current goal is to get rid of MiG-29s and oldest T-10s asap.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:26 am

    George1 wrote:
    Isos wrote:Why don't they order just Su-35 ? It's better than Su-30 in all aspects.

    I think Su-30SM is actually a double seat Su-35
    Only if by "Su-35" you mean the old Su-27M developed during the very last years of the Soviet Union. Su-35S is an entirely different machine, with deep changes to the airframe, much newer engines and avionics.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:27 am

    Two more Su-30SM delivered to Millerovo;

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2194760.html
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:36 am

    Till now for 2016

    Su-30SM Navy - 1
    Su-30SM AF - 2
    Su-30SM Knights - 4


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:25 pm



    Interesting picture of Su-30SM armed with R-77-1 and R-73 AAMs and KH-31 missiles flying over the sea. I wonder if this Su-30SM is one from contingent in Syria? Would be nice if RuAF finaly equip them with Hibiny ECM pods like Su-35 are.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:10 am

    It is the same plane and the same session of this photo:

    This seems to be the Astrakhan area, taken over the lower Volga and the Caspian sea coast.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:46 pm

    Here is a bit of a surprise. The next unit to convert to the Su-30SM will be the 14th Guards Regiment at Kursk presently flying the Mig-29SMT. No word on where the Mig's will then transfer to.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2289926.html

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Militarov on Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:47 pm

    franco wrote:Here is a bit of a surprise. The next unit to convert to the Su-30SM will be the 14th Guards Regiment at Kursk presently flying the Mig-29SMT. No word on where the Mig's will then transfer to.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2289926.html


    Seems like 29s have no future in RuAF at all.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:50 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    franco wrote:Here is a bit of a surprise. The next unit to convert to the Su-30SM will be the 14th Guards Regiment at Kursk presently flying the Mig-29SMT. No word on where the Mig's will then transfer to.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2289926.html


    Seems like 29s have no future in RuAF at all.

    A wide choice would be to hand all their MiG-29s (incl. SMTs) to Armenia and Syria. Focus on the Flankers and future PAK FA.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:52 am

    A very wide choice... but would it be a sensible one?

    The Su-30 series are the low cost low priority aircraft so replacing the MiG-29SMT makes sense if longer range flight performance is required.

    I doubt they will make enough MiG-35s to replace all existing MiG-29s in service, so many MiG-29SMT units will be replaced with cheaper model Flankers... but I suspect many of them will also be replaced with MiG-29M2s as well and later MiG-35s.





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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Militarov on Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:05 am

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    franco wrote:Here is a bit of a surprise. The next unit to convert to the Su-30SM will be the 14th Guards Regiment at Kursk presently flying the Mig-29SMT. No word on where the Mig's will then transfer to.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2289926.html


    Seems like 29s have no future in RuAF at all.

    A wide choice would be to hand all their MiG-29s (incl. SMTs) to Armenia and Syria. Focus on the Flankers and future PAK FA.

    I wouldnt mind if they gave few of those SMTs to us here either.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:13 pm

    "Russian Knights" received today the next 4 Su-30SMs, in addition to the ones previously delivered. So now they are fully re-grouped with 8 birds. russia



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2293427.html


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:13 pm

    The Sukhoi-30SM has impressive flight range and duration parameters, such as a combat range of 1,500 kilometers. It can also be used for training pilots for single-seat fighter jets of the future.

    Twelve suspension devices enable the plane to carry medium-range air-to-air missiles of the R-27 family (up to eight), R-77 (ten) and short-range R-73 missiles (up to six).

    Armed with anti-radar and anti-ship missiles Kh-31P and Kh-31A (up to six) the Sukhoi-30SM can be used in operations to suppress enemy air defense and destroy surface ships. Also, the Sukhoi-30SM is capable of delivering pin-point strikes with:

    • Kh-59 family missiles (up to five);

    • Guided air bombs KAB-250 (up to six), KAB-500 (up to six) and KAB 1500 (up to three);

    • Kh-29T missiles with a TV-guided warhead (up to six);

    • Unguided air bombs (100 kg, 250 kg and 500 kg).

    • Sets of unguided missiles S-8 (set B-8M) and S-13 (B-13P), and S-24 and S-25 missiles.


    More:
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    Post  erot10 on Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:03 pm

    Su 35 is by far more advanced than the su 30mki the irbis e radar can detect a 3m2 target(mig 29) at 350 to 400km away while the bars radar on the su 30mki can detect the mig 29 only at 140km max
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:48 pm

    erot10 wrote:Su 35 is by far more advanced than the su 30mki the irbis e radar can detect a 3m2 target(mig 29) at 350 to 400km away while the bars radar on the su 30mki can detect the mig 29 only at 140km max

    When working like an AWACS it can detect targets at 400 km too. But can't engage them at this distance.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:52 pm

    George1 wrote:"Russian Knights" received today the next 4 Su-30SMs, in addition to the ones previously delivered. So now they are fully re-grouped with 8 birds. russia



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2293427.html

    Are these combat ready ? They should give them to the airforce instead of using them for shows.
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Militarov on Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:58 pm

    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:"Russian Knights" received today the next 4 Su-30SMs, in addition to the ones previously delivered. So now they are fully re-grouped with 8 birds. russia



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2293427.html

    Are these combat ready ? They should give them to the airforce instead of using them for shows.

    Yes they are, its one of the requirements so pilots can normally train for combat duties too.

    They needed replacement so...
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:09 am


    When working like an AWACS it can detect targets at 400 km too. But can't engage them at this distance.

    This can reach 200km:

    http://www.ktrv.ru/production/68/649/1526/

    The Russian version extends that to 300km AFAIK.


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:32 pm

    Isos wrote:
    George1 wrote:"Russian Knights" received today the next 4 Su-30SMs, in addition to the ones previously delivered. So now they are fully re-grouped with 8 birds. russia



    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2293427.html

    Are these combat ready ? They should give them to the airforce instead of using them for shows.

    Yeah, I never quite understood the point of this in Russia... If they want to demo the plane, they should go for a solo display of one plane. Parade it in airshows all over and be done with it. If they want to have an acro team, older Su-27s should be enough. FFS they don't have many Su-30 Flankers at all, to deploy so many like that... stress them up with acrobatics. Rolling Eyes
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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:09 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:FFS they don't have many Su-30 Flankers at all, to deploy so many like that... stress them up with acrobatics. Rolling Eyes

    with the last deliveries the number of Su-30 Flankers in VKS is:
    81 Su-30SM
    20 Su-30M2

    101 in total


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