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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  KiloGolf on Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:21 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    medo wrote:  Interesting article about Su-30SM in Syria although not really logical.  

    testing in unusual scenarios and marketing to boost sales as proven in real combat?

    Or to make sure that Erdogan will not make any crazy move similar to Su-24 shotdown; Su-30SM first and foremost is a fighter and Turkish fighters have to think twice before touching it.

    Personally I would like to see some Vietnamese Su-30SM equivalents.

    They could waste one more if the they wanted, maybe they will need to plan it more thoroughly but there's hardly anything that makes the Su-30SM untouchable from Turkey's arsenal. It's just that the response will be their air bases getting politely bombed.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  sepheronx on Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:36 pm

    Compared to what Turkey operates, there is.  Su-30SM is based upon the air superiority variant of Su-30 and derived from Su-30MKI.  It would detect and shoot down Turkey's F-16 before the F-16 could.  Using an Su-35S would be overkill. R-27 would be ideal. Of course F-16's pose a threat but Su-30SM is a far more ideal system to use.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:02 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    medo wrote:  Interesting article about Su-30SM in Syria although not really logical.  

    testing in unusual scenarios and marketing to boost sales as proven in real combat?


    I agree, that RuAF tested Su-30SM capabilities in leading and coordinating attacks on ground targets and with that test its radar ground attack modes, IRST ground attack capabilities and C4ISR data link network to coordinate group and share pictures within the group and with UAVs and command posts in the ground. But to have full capabilities for this work Su-30SM need to be equipped with Khibiny-U ECM pods and with a targeting pod, because IRST is limited with looking downward to observe and designate targets. Targeting pod will be a key element in ground attack capabilities. But in the mean time, before Su-30SM receive targeting pods, Su-34 is better suited for this job.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:59 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    medo wrote:  Interesting article about Su-30SM in Syria although not really logical.  

    testing in unusual scenarios and marketing to boost sales as proven in real combat?

    Or to make sure that Erdogan will not make any crazy move similar to Su-24 shotdown; Su-30SM first and foremost is a fighter and Turkish fighters have to think twice before touching it.

    Personally I would like to see some Vietnamese Su-30SM equivalents.


    on top of currently used Su-30MK2?

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:19 pm

    MOSCOW, June 15 -. RIA Novosti Air Space Forces (VKS) and naval aviation of the Russian Navy will receive until the end of 2018 another 55 heavy multirole Su-30cm, told RIA Novosti on Wednesday, Production Director of Irkutsk Aviation Plant Sergey Yamani.

    Su-30cm are manufactured at the Irkutsk aircraft factory under contract with the Russian Defense Ministry and are available in videoconferencing since 2012, and the Naval Aviation - 2014. At the moment, delivered to the troops 61 Su-30cm.

    "Until the end of 2018 in favor of videoconferencing and the Navy at the Irkutsk aircraft plant will be manufactured and delivered 55 more aircraft total number will be 116 Su-30cm -. 88 and 28 for the video conferencing for Naval Aviation Navy" - Yamani said.

    Heavy Su-30cm one of the first to arrive in 2015 in Syria and how to apply it for its intended purpose - as a fighter and as a targeting aircraft for ground attack aircraft and bombers.

    NOTE: of the 61 presently in service 8 in Naval Aviation and 53 in Air Force. So 55 aircraft to be delivered over the next 3 years.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:03 pm

    franco wrote:
    NOTE: of the 61 presently in service 8 in Naval Aviation and 53 in Air Force. So 55 aircraft to be delivered over the next 3 years.

    i have counted 56 in Air Force. That makes 64 in total according to my calculations


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:15 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:on top of currently used Su-30MK2?

    Probably, but the luckiest circumstance may be a Su-35s contract.

    Off Topic

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:35 am

    George1 wrote:
    franco wrote:
    NOTE: of the 61 presently in service 8 in Naval Aviation and 53 in Air Force. So 55 aircraft to be delivered over the next 3 years.

    i have counted 56 in Air Force. That makes 64 in total according to my calculations

    I thought so too.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:26 pm

    SU-30 with RVV-SD

    http://russianplanes.net/id194475


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:44 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:SU-30 with RVV-SD

    http://russianplanes.net/id194475




    True. It is really nice to see RuAF Su-30SM armed with R-77-1 and Kh-31 missiles. I wonder, when we will see new Khibiny ECM pods on them as well like on Su-35. And the final item will be targeting pod.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:27 am

    "Syrian" Su-30SMs returned home

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2075793.html


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:05 am

    It is interesting to see, that all four Su-30SM return without ECM pods, so those two pods from the first group remain in Syria. It Will be interesting to see, if the new group will be fully equipped with ECM pods and if they will be armed with R-77-1 missiles as well as Su-35.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:11 am

    First Su-30SM ready for the Russian Knights aerobatic team at Kubinka. Apparently 6 will be delivered by years end.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2134724.html

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:44 am

    According to this article only 16 Su-30SM's to be delivered this year. Two to Naval Aviation, six to the Aerobatic Team and eight to Fighter units.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2160364.html

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  VladimirSahin on Sun Oct 02, 2016 2:51 pm

    Six to the aerobatic team? WTF I'd say we need more modern fighters in service in active units...

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:01 pm

    VladimirSahin wrote:Six to the aerobatic team? WTF I'd say we need more modern fighters in service in active units...

    The flight team is used as a promotional tool. If they fly old defective aircraft they could have accidents which greatly diminishes confidence in our products. It also hurts national morale which is more important than anything. Public Relations is half the game both in war and in sales.


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  VladimirSahin on Sun Oct 02, 2016 3:11 pm

    Vladimir79 wrote:
    VladimirSahin wrote:Six to the aerobatic team? WTF I'd say we need more modern fighters in service in active units...

    The flight team is used as a promotional tool.  If they fly old defective aircraft they could have accidents which greatly diminishes confidence in our products.  It also hurts national morale which is more important than anything.  Public Relations is half the game both in war and in sales.

    That's true actually, I reacted too early it's just we need more modern aircraft in service.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:38 pm

    franco wrote:According to this article only 16 Su-30SM's to be delivered this year. Two to Naval Aviation, six to the Aerobatic Team and eight to Fighter units.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2160364.html

    franco, Su-30s for aerobatic team are included in the number of total orders?? (30+30+28) ??


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  franco on Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:15 pm

    Apparently so, the third order was for 36 aircraft wasn't it. I believe the 88 figure is that of aircraft due for delivery by the end of 2018. So 10 for Naval Aviation and 72 for VKS delivered by the end of 2016. That leaves 34 (18+16) for delivery in 2017 and 2018.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:40 pm

    The group "Russian Knights" has received four Su-30SM



    According to reports on the web-site forums.airforce.ru, October 8, 2016, these four aircraft flew to the place of permanent stationing of "Russian Knights" at the Kubinka airfield near Moscow.

    Total in 2012 for the Ministry of Defense of Russia was contracted 116 Su-30cm, of which 88 are intended for the Air Force (FSI) of Russia, and 28 - for the Russian Navy Naval Aviation. So far, so VKS Russia within the framework of the signed contracts received 60 Su-30SM, and the Naval aviation - nine.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2170525.html


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Sun Oct 09, 2016 6:08 pm

    I hope Irkut will deliver more of them soon.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:30 pm

    Why don't they order just Su-35 ? It's better than Su-30 in all aspects.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:49 pm

    Isos wrote:Why don't they order just Su-35 ? It's better than Su-30 in all aspects.

    I think Su-30SM is actually a double seat Su-35


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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Militarov on Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:52 pm

    Isos wrote:Why don't they order just Su-35 ? It's better than Su-30 in all aspects.

    Its alot more expencive actually, almost double expencive actually when you take everything in count.

    30SM on other hand is tandem seater with almost identical kinematic performance, payload and range but is less capable in terms of avionics, but is quite alot cheaper and allows introduction in numbers to replenish decaying T-10 fleet. And current goal is to get rid of MiG-29s and oldest T-10s asap.

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    Re: Su-30 for Russian Air Force

    Post  Svyatoslavich on Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:26 am

    George1 wrote:
    Isos wrote:Why don't they order just Su-35 ? It's better than Su-30 in all aspects.

    I think Su-30SM is actually a double seat Su-35
    Only if by "Su-35" you mean the old Su-27M developed during the very last years of the Soviet Union. Su-35S is an entirely different machine, with deep changes to the airframe, much newer engines and avionics.

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