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    Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

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    Post  Hole on Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:55 am

    The first versions of the Mi-8 also had no weapons outriggers. The Mi-8 can carry up to 2 tons of weapons. If the Mi-38 can carry more, sooner or later the military will want an armored version.
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    Post  hoom on Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:41 pm

    Apparently that awful digital brown cammo in post 231 is better than it looks...
    http://www.russiadefence.net/t1308p225-mi-8-17-i-38-mi-26-news#232088
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:44 am

    Probably wont be as big of a success as the Mi-8 series, but likely find its place in the ground forces

    Likely not, as the Mi-8 and related designs (Mi-24, Mi-14 and Mi-17) are the most produced helicopters around... there are tens of thousands of them...

    We've seen Mi-8/17's self-defense suites, but never on Mi-26's likely because of military doctrine. You won't bring a Mi-26 anywhere near a hot spot, only will defended green-zones, so it's a moot point to add a DIRCM suite for it, but the Mi-8/17's doctrine is an entirely different conversation altogether (hence the armament and self-defense suites).

    Post 231 on the previous page shows the Mi-26 with DIRCMs and other self defence systems...

    I'm more inclined to believe the military versions of Mi-38 will have Vitebsk suites serial produced.

    I suspect over time existing types will get them fitted and new systems will have them built in.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:22 am

    For the production numbers of the Mi-38 lets wait 40 years. Cool
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:02 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Probably wont be as big of a success as the Mi-8 series, but likely find its place in the ground forces

    Likely not, as the Mi-8 and related designs (Mi-24, Mi-14 and Mi-17) are the most produced helicopters around... there are tens of thousands of them...

    We've seen Mi-8/17's self-defense suites, but never on Mi-26's likely because of military doctrine. You won't bring a Mi-26 anywhere near a hot spot, only will defended green-zones, so it's a moot point to add a DIRCM suite for it, but the Mi-8/17's doctrine is an entirely different conversation altogether (hence the armament and self-defense suites).

    Post 231 on the previous page shows the Mi-26 with DIRCMs and other self defence systems...

    I'm more inclined to believe the military versions of Mi-38 will have Vitebsk suites serial produced.

    I suspect over time existing types will get them fitted and new systems will have them built in.

    Actually the best defensive suite ever for the Mi-26 is the Su-27 hanging attachment. Wink

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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:16 am

    Nibiru wrote:I think i read somewhere in the past that military version of Mi-38 is supposed to have retractable wheels., I guess the idea was abandoned

    That proved to be a bad idea that the Mi-35M did away with.

    Obviously they're not going to repeat that mistake for the Mi-38
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    Post  dino00 on Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:29 pm

    The Ministry of Defense signed a contract for two Mi-38T helicopters

    It is noted that the first one will be delivered in 2019

    KAZAN, December 20. / TASS /. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation signed a contract for two new Mi-38T helicopter transport helicopters, the first of which will be delivered in the summer of 2019. This was announced on Thursday by Russian Deputy Minister of Defense Alexei Krivoruchko during a visit to the Kazan helicopter plant.

    The car has a great future. The helicopter turned out with very good characteristics. We have already contracted two helicopters, we are waiting for them, we will get the first helicopter next summer. Krivoruchko.

    At the enterprise, the deputy minister got acquainted with the assembly of new cars, the course of development work and the execution of the state defense order, and also visited the flight test complex, where a demonstration flight of the new Mi-38T took place.

    This is the first model of the machine in this series, made specifically for the Ministry of Defense. His first flight took place in late November.

    The Deputy Minister of Defense also noted the company's success in the production of helicopters of the current generation of the Mi-8 family. So, in 2018, six Mi-8MTV-5-1 helicopters were delivered ahead of schedule.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5937096



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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:17 pm


    Russia to begin receiving Mi-38T upgraded helos in 2019

    https://www.janes.com/article/85385/russia-to-begin-receiving-mi-38t-upgraded-helos-in-2019
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    Post  franco on Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:46 am

    Contract for 130 Mi-8MTV-5 finished ahead of schedule.

    https://ria.ru/20190130/1550147133.html
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    Post  AMCXXL on Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:26 am

    franco wrote:Contract for 130 Mi-8MTV-5 finished ahead of schedule.

    https://ria.ru/20190130/1550147133.html

    Not 130 , were 140 + 4
    Nowadays the 140 are probably handed over for 6 squadrons of 20 in brigades/regiments + training units and other small units inlcuded North Fleet
    Anyway , there are probably more contracts because Kazan announced delivery 18 more late in 2019 and 20 more in 2020
    Not clear if 15 Brigade and 17 Brigade will have other squadron each of Mi-8MTV-5 or will be other type of Mi-8


    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/348166.html

    So, in the case file it is indicated that in 2011 the KVZ concluded four government contracts with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:

    - dated 03/03/2011, No. 3/4/2 / 5-11-DOGOZ for delivery in 2011-2020, 140 Mi-8MTV-5-1 helicopters manufactured in accordance with the Technical Conditions 8MTV5.0000.00TU, taking into account the decision No. 8-Mi-8MTV-5/09 dated January 16, 2010, according to the modification of Technical Specifications 8MTV5.0000.00TU;

    - dated 29.08.2011, № 3/4/2 / 15-11-DOGOZ for delivery in 2011. of 4 Mi-8MTV-5-1 helicopters manufactured in accordance with Technical Specifications 8MTV5.0000.00TU, but not including solution No. 8-Mi-8MTV-5/09 of January 16, 2010 to change TU 8MTV5.0000.00TU, then there is a simplified modification;

    - dated August 1, 2011 No. 3/4/2/8-11-DOGOZ for delivery in 2011-2012 of 3 Mi-8MTV-2 helicopters manufactured in accordance with the addition to TU-80MT / 79;

    - dated 03/03/2011, No. 3/4/2/6-11-DOGOZ for delivery in 2011-2018 of 32 Ansat-U helicopters manufactured in accordance with the Technical Specifications 335.0000.00TU from August 15, 2008


    The number of "130" could be a mistake with the Mi-8AMTSh, that have received more contracts because delivery started in +/-2009
    Two know contracts have a total of 172 machines


    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/897599.html

    - H / 4/2 / 7-11-DOGOZ of March 1, 2011. 2746.1 [Delivery of 132 Mi-8AMTSH helicopters]

    - B / 4/2 / 20-13-DOGOZ of August 3, 2013 5037.6 [Supply of 40 Mi-8AMTSH helicopters]

    Also, there are other contract for the pessenger versión and the Artic verion Mi-8AMTSh-BA


    Totady there are probably more than 180 included all versions, ans is probable other  squadron in the 16 and 18 Brigades and complete other units so the number should be near 250 in total after 2020
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:20 pm


    Looks like something called Mi-171A3 is in the works

    More pics here: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3549276.html

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    Post  George1 on Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:36 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Looks like something called Mi-171A3 is in the works

    More pics here: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3549276.html

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    It's for civilian use
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    Post  jaguar_br on Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:32 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Looks like something called Mi-171A3 is in the works

    More pics here: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3549276.html

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    Does this product make sense when you are trying to promote (and make profitable) the new Mi-38?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Mar 01, 2019 5:51 pm

    jaguar_br wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Looks like something called Mi-171A3 is in the works

    More pics here: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3549276.html

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/38024980/6596029/6596029_original.jpg



    Does this product make sense when you are trying to promote (and make profitable) the new Mi-38?

    Mi-38 is much larger
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:12 am

    It is basically like they have introduced the replacement but the existing models are so widely used they are going to be there for some time anyway... so for those not ready to upgrade yet, here is an upgrade you can apply to get better performance and to prepare you for eventually using the new product too.

    Look at the AK-12 and AK-74M, or Su-57 and Su-35, or Armata tank and T-90MS... where new technology from the new product is used to upgrade the older thing the new thing is replacing.

    In many ways it means you can put new things into production faster and test new ideas operationally before the new item is even ready for service, and overall reduce costs because those new AK-12 rifles you are making 50,000 of as a new batch, you can make 200,000 new rear stocks for the new AK-12s but also to fit in service AK-74Ms to upgrade them... and of course other parts and new magazines and new ammo... so performance improves and costs go down and experience can be gained early...
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    Post  AMCXXL on Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:54 am

    https://www.aex.ru/news/2019/3/7/194629/

    Alexey Krivoruchko: the Ministry of Defense intends to acquire 10 Mi-26T2V helicopters

    March 7, 2019, AEX.RU - The Russian Ministry of Defense will buy 10 of the world's most heavy-lifting Mi-26 helicopters, but in a new look. This was told by Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko, reports Tass.

    "Today we have reached an agreement that we will conclude a contract for the first batch - 10 Mi-26T2V helicopters," he told reporters on Thursday.

    Earlier it was reported that the "Russian Helicopters" plan to transfer the Mi-26T2V to state tests in the second quarter of 2019. The holding hopes that a contract with the military department may be signed in June.
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    Post  Isos on Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:07 am

    Mi-8 or 17 dropping mines with VSM-1 system. It can create huge minefields with thousands of mines with that system in matters of minutes behind the enemy if it want to escape or in front of the enemy to stop him. Can use antipersonnel or anti tank mines which would devastate any tank formation trying to go foreward or escape.

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    Post  Giulio on Thu Apr 04, 2019 8:37 pm

    Hello guys, but what kind of engines does the new Mi-26T2V have? Ivchenko-Progress D-136? Thanks.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-largest-helicopter-completes-preliminary-457232/
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:55 pm

    Giulio wrote:Hello guys, but what kind of engines does the new Mi-26T2V have? Ivchenko-Progress D-136? Thanks.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/pictures-largest-helicopter-completes-preliminary-457232/

    They plan to substitute them with the PD-12V, derived from the PD-14, but I don't know if this is already ready.

    Maybe they obtained some additional engines from Ukraine or they localized the production of the D136 (as they did for other engines like the VK-2500 for the mi28 and ka52 and the AI222 of the Yak-130.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue May 14, 2019 2:25 pm


    Mi-38 military version:
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    So green, Ruby Rhod approves  thumbsup

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    Post  George1 on Tue May 14, 2019 4:24 pm

    Its one of the two prototypes Mi-38T, built for the Ministry of Defense of Russia under contract from 2017.
    First Mi-38T helicopter would be delivered until the end of June 2019.
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    Post  hoom on Wed May 15, 2019 3:41 am

    Putin Weaponises Lurid Paint!
    So awful to look at the enemy will look away rather than at that.

    Which is a shame because its actually a nice looking chopper.

    Edit: is it a SEP field?
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 15, 2019 2:29 pm

    I have seen a lot of people criticise Russian camo schemes, but to be perfectly honest, unless you can see what market and what context they would be used in it is rather hard to say what is good and what is bad.

    Recent video showing a USAF F-15 in low viz grey and a Flanker in the traditional white and blue markings and it was the low viz F-15 that stood out like a sore thumb even at a distance where the bigger Flanker disappeared... and it was in the same shot so you can't blame lighting or the camera used or any shit like that...
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun May 19, 2019 12:44 am

    Mi-8 AMTSh-VN said to include various improvements based on the Syrian experience....
    It's likely to be used in the planned Aviation Brigades for the VDV and SOF

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    jaguar_br wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Looks like something called Mi-171A3 is in the works

    Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News - Page 11 6596029_original

    Does this product make sense when you are trying to promote (and make profitable) the new Mi-38?

    According to the poster it's aimed at operations from offshore platforms ....oil and gas I assume
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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 19, 2019 7:43 am

    Cyberspec wrote:Mi-8 AMTSh-VN said to include various improvements based on the Syrian experience....
    It's likely to be used in the planned Aviation Brigades for the VDV and SOF

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    Very interesting armament shown... a door mounted Kord 12.7mm HMG and a further two single Kords on top of each wing, plus four ATGMs.. Ataka or Krisantema on the left side outer pylon with a twin 23mm cannon pod on the middle pylon... the inner pylon is not visible in any of the shots but the other wing pylon has four more ATGMs on the outer pylon, a 20 shot 80mm rocket pod on the middle pylon and a single 266mm S-25 rocket on the inner pylon... so I would suspect the same on the other side inner pylon.

    There look to be huge pannier ammo oval boxes for the 12.7mm calibre guns mounted on the wings... looks like a rather potent loadout.

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