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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  George1 on Sun Jun 03, 2018 3:00 am

    eehnie wrote:http://tass.com/defense/1000581

    Russia, China may sign contract on production of AHL helicopter in May-June
    Military & Defense April 18, 19:42 UTC+3
    The Russian side plans to sign a contract in the first half of 2018, a source claims

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    MOSCOW, April 18. /TASS/. Russia and China plan to sign a contract on production of the Advanced Heavy Lifter (AHL) helicopter in May-June, a source in Russia’s defense-industrial sector told TASS.

    "The Russian side plans to sign a contract in the first half of 2018," he said, adding that "the contract cost and payment procedure are currently finalized."

    The Russian-Chinese AHL (Advanced Heavy Lift) helicopter is being co-developed by Russian corporation Russian Helicopters and Chinese corporation AVIC. According to the information released by the partners, the machine will have a maximum takeoff weight of 38.2 tons, a service ceiling of 5,700 m, a range of 630 km and a maximum speed of 300 km. The AHL’s lifting capacity will stand at 10 tons for internal cargo carriage and at 15 tons for underslung cargo.

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    Helicopter and aircraft markets are not independent and Russian Helicopters would be smart offiering this helicopter (Mi-46 designation?) for the Russian market and even for the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    The precedent for helicopters of this size the Mi-6/10/22 was a success.

    its an old article. We already have June
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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  eehnie on Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:49 am

    George1 wrote:
    eehnie wrote:http://tass.com/defense/1000581

    Helicopter and aircraft markets are not independent and Russian Helicopters would be smart offiering this helicopter (Mi-46 designation?) for the Russian market and even for the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    The precedent for helicopters of this size the Mi-6/10/22 was a success.

    its an old article. We already have June

    June just begins, I have little doubt that this contract will be signed, not problem with it.

    The most interesting part at this point is the option that Russia has completing the range of helicopters that the custormers are demanding, and specially those that can be of military interest. From bigger to smaller Russian Helicopters have now:

    Mi-26
    Mi-46?/AHL
    Mi-38
    Ka-27 family + Mi-8 family
    Ka-60/62
    Mi-Ansat
    Ka-226
    Small helicopters under 2 tons of Maximum Take-Off Weight that are only of civil interest.

    Of them all are new except two cathegories:

    Mi-26:  
    Ka-27 family + Mi-8 family: With the Ka-40 Minoga in development, that is likely to be compatible for sea and land based platforms.

    The new AHL is a safe bet, is created at request of the custormers, in this case at request of China, with more than enough potential orders before to begin. The success is assured, and would not make sense to offer not it to Russian customers, including the Russian Ministry of Defense, with a Russian engine.

    Russian helicopters has been reluctant to offer it to Russian markets, but likely they will realize that with the Mi-26 on the market and the Mi-38 comming an important customer prefered the development of a new helicopter just in the middle of both, because the new helicopter fits better their needs. China is not a rare case, this can be also the case of many other customers, including in Russia, and to complete the local offer with the new helicopter can close the door to foreign helicopters of this size, and can take a good part of the market for aircrafts of this size.

    The new Mi-46(?)/AHL is just of the size of the An-72/71/74 and the An-148/158/178. The new helicopter is coming just in the moment when the production of the An-148 is being stopped in Russia. Russian Helicopters can fight to take orders of aircrafts of this size with this new helicopter, like the new Mi-38 can also fight to take the orders in the size cathegory of the An-24/26/30/32, the An-140 and the new Il-112.

    To note that with the success assured, the development of a Russian engine for this helicopter, if necessary, would not hurt the business, being instead an opportunity of increasing the profit for Russian aircraft engine companies. The Mi-6/10/22, previous helicopter of the same size cathegory, had Russian made engines.

    Also, there is a plan of another new helicopter of this size, the Ka-102, that will also require Russian engines. This future helicopter will include the new high speed technologies, it means that likely will require long testing period. To offer this new Mi-46(?)/AHL helicopter to Russian and foreign custormers can help to a even more careful development of the Ka-102, as a gap closer. There is a demand of the customers, of which the Chinese demand is only one example, and not a rare one. Surely one of them, the Mi-46(?)/AHL or the Ka-102, is required in the markets before the end of 2025.

    The customers that need an aircraft/herlicopter with 10-15 tons of payload will not buy a Mi-38, because it does not fit the needs. And also can leave the option of a Mi-26 of 20 tons of payload because of being too big and more expensive. Russian helicopters should not fear that this helicopter damages the prospect of the Mi-26. If this would be the case, it would mean that the Mi-26 would be oversized for the needs of the customers, but I do not think this is right. The Mi-26 would keep still its own niche for customers that need to deal with bigger loads, and likely the development of a new successor of the Mi-26 will be required soon. Likely the competence for the Mi-26 will be more in the aircrafts of the same size than in this new helicopter.

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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  hoom on Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:05 pm

    So apparently US idealogues/anti-Russia stuff has forced Afghan govt to buy (or have bought for it) Blackhawks to replace the Mi-17s the US had purchased for them earlier in the decade.
    Small problem though http://charly015.blogspot.com/2018/06/el-uh-60-no-hace-las-cosas-que-si-hace.html
    Training on the UH-60A Black Hawk continued for 22 pilots and 16 special mission operators. As of March 2018, 8 Black Hawks had been delivered to the AAF with another 45 purchased but not yet fielded out of a total 159 planned as part of the ANDSF Road Map's AAF modernization.The US plan to replace the AAF's fleet of Russian-made Mi-17 helicopters with Black Hawks will require Black Hawk crews to operate over areas currently serviced by the Mi-17.

    The transition presents several challenges that have yet to be fully addressed. Black Hawks do not have the lift capacity of Mi-17s. They are unable to accommodate some of the larger cargo items the Mi-17s can carry, and in general, it takes almost two Black Hawks to carry the load of a single Mi-17. Furthermore, unlike Mi-17s, Black Hawks can not fly at high elevations and, as such, can not operate in remote regions of Afghanistan where Mi-17s operate. According to 9th AETF-A, the Mi-17s will play a "crucial role" in the near term fighting season.170 In the future, as Mi-17s phase out of service, the aforementioned challenges will become more pronounced.

    By the end of 2019, the Mi-17 inventory is scheduled to be reduced from 47 (24 of which are in long-term maintenance) to 20. The fleet size is scheduled to decrease to 18 by the end of 2021 and then down to 12 by the end of 2022.

    Afghans are performing roughly 80 percent of the maintenance tasks on their Mi-17s and rely on contractor logistics support for the remaining 20 percent. According to the 9th AETF-A, the Mi-17 is "much more conducive to the education level available in the general Afghan population than the UH-60As" when it comes to maintenance. The expectation is that the AAF will be almost entirely reliant on contractors for Black Hawk maintenance in the nearto mid-term. Maintenance contracts will scale down as the Mi-17 fleet size decreases, and according to the 9th AETF-A, the contracts will also reduce emphasis on aircraft readiness and place more emphasis on building Afghan maintenance capacity.Since the Mi-17s will be taken out of service, it is not clear how much benefit there is in continuing to train Afghans to maintain the Mi-17.
    Afghanistan got Mi-17s over Blackhawks in the first place because they would be able to do the high altitude service required and be maintained locally...
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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:09 pm

    Russian heavy-lift helicopter equipped with upgraded defensive aids suit enters trials

    The defensive aids suit will be capable of shielding helicopters from any existing or future air defense weapons produced abroad, according to Russia's Defense Ministry

    MOSCOW, June 26. /TASS/. The Mi-26 (NATO reporting name: Halo) heavy-lift helicopter furnished with the Vitebsk defensive aids suit has been delivered to the State Flight Testing Center of Russia’s Defense Ministry in Akhtubinsk for trials, the Mil Helicopter Plant said in its annual report on Tuesday.

    "For the purpose of raising the combat survivability of Mi-26 helicopters and considering the positive results of the defensive aids suit held earlier, and also in view of the upgrade of the Vitebsk defensive aids suit by way of replacing the gas laser with the solid-propellant version, the Defense Ministry of Russia has made a decision … on the procedure of arranging work for equipping serial-produced Mi-26 helicopters with the Vitebsk defensive aids suits," the annual report says.

    "In 2017, the following work was carried out: the Mi-26 helicopter furnished with the Vitebsk defensive aids suit was transferred to military unit 15650 [the State Flight Testing Center of Russia’s Defense Ministry] for control flight tests," the document says.

    As Russia’s Defense Ministry reported earlier, the defensive aids suit will be capable of shielding helicopters from any existing or future air defense weapons produced abroad.
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    Re: Mi-8/17, Μi-38, Mi-26: News

    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:14 am

    Mass production of upgraded Mi-26T2 helicopter to start in 2019

    Military-transport Mi-26T helicopter has the biggest lifting power in the world

    ROSTOV-ON-DON, August 7. /TASS/. The Rosvertol company, which is part of the Russian Helicopters holding, plans to start mass production of the upgraded version of heavy Mi-26T2 helicopter in 2019, Igor Sychev, senior engineer at Rosvertol, told reporters.

    "We plan to complete tests in 2019 and starting from 2019 its mass production will be launched by the order of the Defense Ministry," he said.

    Military-transport Mi-26T helicopter (Halo by NATO classification) has the biggest lifting power in the world. It made the maiden flight in 1977. Maximum speed is 270 km/h, the range is 800 km. It can carry 82 paratroopers. The helicopter is used for various missions - transportation, evacuation, firefighting and so on. It is capable of carrying up to 20 tons of cargo inside the body or on the external suspension.


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