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    Isos

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    Re: Questions Thread: Russian Navy

    Post  Isos on Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:43 pm

    Benya wrote:
    GarryB wrote:The Udaloy and Sovremmeny are difficult to upgrade with UKSK as the old missiles are heavily angled while the UKSK is not and is better penetrating the deck space 4-6 levels worth.

    Perhaps putting a hull extension could be an option, while replacing all the old material on board with new equipment should free up a lot of space internally.

    New sensors will be multifunction and should also take up rather less space too.

    I personally don't think that Udaloys or Sovremenniys will see large scale modernizations (or maybe just a little bit) for the following reasons:

    1.) There are around 5 Sovremenniys and 6 Udaloys in service, most of them are older than 30 years.

    2.) Sovremenniys were plagued with lots of issues with their propulsion systems, and developing a new would take additional time, while putting them into production would somewhat bog down current engine productions (at NPO Saturn for Gorshkovs or at Zvezda for Karakurts).

    3.) Combat readiness of both will be costlier and costlier to upkeep over time.

    4.) Equipping both classes with UKSKs would make little sense as by 2025 there would be around 6-7 Gorshkovs in service, and they could take on their duties for a while until a new destroyer class emerges.

    5.) Maybe or maybe not, these ships are not really of great strategic importance like Kirovs or Slavas. And don't get me wrong here, by this I don't mean that destroyers are less significant than cruisers, I only want to point out that these destroyers could serve 8-10 years from now just fine.

    In conclusion, I think that both current destroyer classes should serve until let's say early 2030s


    Sovs are dead ship. They don't even use them. For joint exercices they send slavas or udalois. They should replace them the faster they can by gorshkovs or 21956 destroyers. Chinese sovs on the other hand are newer with better engines and electronics, upgraded with VLS. Very good ships. Russians ones are too old to be modernized.

    Udaloys are good, they could give them Urans for anti ship capabilities. Udaloys II is very good but just 1 is in service.

    Slavas and kirivs are good but they have few of them. Thzy need frigates and destroyer to go with them.

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    Re: Questions Thread: Russian Navy

    Post  franco on Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:22 pm

    There are plans or talks to do a upgrade and life extension of some / all of the Udaloy's but have heard nothing in regards to the Sovremmeny. By the way I believe only 3 of them are still active (North, Baltic and Pacific). Would not be surprised if the Gorshkovs actually replace them.
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    Re: Questions Thread: Russian Navy

    Post  DasVivo on Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:57 am

    franco wrote:There are plans or talks to do a upgrade and life extension of some / all of the Udaloy's but have heard nothing in regards to the Sovremmeny. By the way I believe only 3 of them are still active (North, Baltic and Pacific). Would not be surprised if the Gorshkovs actually replace them.

    Last I looked it appeared that:
    Bystryy - Pacific Fleet
    Nastoychivyy - Baltic Fleet
    Admiral Ushakov - Northern Fleet

    Burnyy - Pacific Fleet (Currently being overhauled, not a deep modernization)
    Bespokiynyy - Baltic Fleet (Limited talk of bringing it back with I imagine, minor overhaul to extend life, not deep modernization)
    Bezboyaznennyy - Pacific Fleet (Reserve, no updates on decomission or plans to reintroduce it)

    Based on the fact they certainly don't appear to be investing in them this late in the game my guess is indeed they'll be simply be maintained as placeholders to fill the ranks until a sufficient number of Gorshkovs and others (Grigorovichs etc) can relieve them somewhat..
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    Re: Questions Thread: Russian Navy

    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:52 am

    DasVivo wrote:
    franco wrote:There are plans or talks to do a upgrade and life extension of some / all of the Udaloy's but have heard nothing in regards to the Sovremmeny. By the way I believe only 3 of them are still active (North, Baltic and Pacific). Would not be surprised if the Gorshkovs actually replace them.

    Last I looked it appeared that:
    Bystryy - Pacific Fleet
    Nastoychivyy - Baltic Fleet
    Admiral Ushakov - Northern Fleet

    Burnyy - Pacific Fleet (Currently being overhauled, not a deep modernization)
    Bespokiynyy - Baltic Fleet (Limited talk of bringing it back with I imagine, minor overhaul to extend life, not deep modernization)
    Bezboyaznennyy - Pacific Fleet (Reserve, no updates on decomission or plans to reintroduce it)

    Based on the fact they certainly don't appear to be investing in them this late in the game my guess is indeed they'll be simply be maintained as placeholders to fill the ranks until a sufficient number of Gorshkovs and others (Grigorovichs etc) can relieve them somewhat..

    But there will never be enough gorshkovs to replace them before 2030 and the grigoroviches are much weaker than them. The Grigoroviches are there to replace the neustrashimy and burevestniks, not full blown destroyers.
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    Re: Questions Thread: Russian Navy

    Post  Kimppis on Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:51 pm

    Why? There will be atleast 8 Gorshkovs by 2030 (maybe more, including the larger variant), and probably 1 or 2 Liders aswell.
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    Re: Questions Thread: Russian Navy

    Post  Isos on Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:55 pm


    But there will never be enough gorshkovs to replace them before 2030 and the grigoroviches are much weaker than them. The Grigoroviches are there to replace the neustrashimy and burevestniks, not full blown destroyers.

    In terms of capabilities grigorovivitch are better than a ship that is 30 years old. The only point where it is not is th range. For the price of 1 Sov you have 3 grigorovitchs. Missile are by far better because they are newer, it is stealth and has UKSK for multi role missions.

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    Re: Questions Thread: Russian Navy

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