WWII stuff from the Ukraine war thread.

An absolutely despicable and scummy narrative was being peddled at the Normandy landing memorials.
Scum like Bidet, the media and Euro-puppets were pretending VVP is like Hitler.
Of course they omit the fact that GAYTO is orchestrating the Nazis and Russia is eliminating them.
They also omit the fact that Russia lost 27 to 38 MILLION lives to save GAYTO arses from Hitler.


Yet another aspect that demonstrates Putin was far too soft for far too long.
Since before 2014 in fact.

These neoimperialist scum in Davos on Washington need to be hit hard.

The USSR didn't go to war with the Germans over the west, they did it because the Germans attacked them.

Frankly put Stalin did not care one bit, that France was attacked etc, so don't sit there and act like they went "oh no the Germans attacked people we have to do a no le sacrifice and help them"

It was a common enemy nothing more

SeigSoloyvov wrote:The USSR didn't go to war with the Germans over the west, they did it because the Germans attacked them.

Frankly put Stalin did not care one bit, that France was attacked etc, so don't sit there and act like they went "oh no the Germans attacked people we have to do a no le sacrifice and help them"

It was a common enemy nothing more

Then why did Molotov spend the 30s opposing Nazi Germany in the League of Nations?
Then why did the Soviets fight the Germans and Italians in Spain?
Why did Stalin want to send troops through Poland to Czechoslovakia to prevent its partition?

The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was about buying time, little else.

I remember reading the memoires of a Soviet Air Marshall written in the 70s. There he actually preempts the accusations of today, by touching on the topic of the agreement of the USSR and Germany; where he says something along the lines that in the officer corps everyone knew that a war with Germany was coming. Along with a war with Japan. Those were the enemies.

flamming_python wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:The USSR didn't go to war with the Germans over the west, they did it because the Germans attacked them.

Frankly put Stalin did not care one bit, that France was attacked etc, so don't sit there and act like they went "oh no the Germans attacked people we have to do a no le sacrifice and help them"I'm

It was a common enemy nothing more

Then why did Molotov spend the 30s opposing Nazi Germany in the League of Nations?
Then why did the Soviets fight the Germans and Italians in Spain?
Why did Stalin want to send troops through Poland to Czechoslovakia to prevent its partition?

The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was about buying time, little else.

I remember reading the memoires of a Soviet Air Marshall written in the 70s. There he actually preempts the accusations of today, by touching on the topic of the agreement of the USSR and Germany; where he says something along the lines that in the officer corps everyone knew that a war with Germany was coming. Along with a war with Japan. Those were the enemies.

Indeed it the war between them was coming sooner or later, The Germans merely attacked the Russians before the Russians them.

However that's besides the point, the USSR sis not engage against the Germans to save the west, it was not to rescue the west, the Germans where merely their enemy and when to behave a common enemy you work together.

So someone trying to say the USSR got so many of its own wn killed to save another country is just out right lying and rewriting history

No that's what they said, that the USSR saved us from the Germans.

Also cute historical revisions, we did not wait, the government wanted to get into ww2 sooner but the public wasn't for it, America was different back then.

He'll we wanted to attack Japan before they attacked us but we couldn't because the public did not what war, it wasn't until pearl harbor we got the excuse we wanted.

Hence why we lied and said German planes where at Pearl harbor justify declaring war on them

SeigSoloyvov wrote:No that's what they said, that the USSR saved us from the Germans.
Also cute historical revisions, we did not wait, the government wanted to get into ww2 sooner but the public wasn't for it, America was different back then.
He'll we wanted to attack Japan before they attacked us but we couldn't because the public did not what war, it wasn't until pearl harbor we got the excuse we wanted.
Hence why we lied and said German planes where at Pearl harbor justify declaring war on them

Firstly, no, the SU was not going to attack Germany back in 1941 - it is nonsense constructed on a wave of anti-Russian propaganda of the 90s.
As the guys have already said, the Soviet Union has spent an entire decade opposing Hitler.
Offering not only political and material support but a direct military intervention when needed.
SU was the last country that dealt with Germany anyhow, and only because no such agreements could be signed with the other European powers.
Ironically, Poland signed a pact with Hitler much earlier, where both sides agreed on the spheres of interest in a third country, behind its back. The sole thing that differed the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact from Ribbentrop-Beck one, was its smaller scale limited to a few dozen km2.
Secondly, the Soviet Union saved your Murican arses directly, if only considered from a wider perspective.
If they would lose to Hitler, it would lead to allied Europe back in the 40s.
Europe allied under fascism/nazi ideology, with all the Soviet resources.
Outnumbering you 2:1, and having a different idea of Monroe doctrine.
You would have imperial Japan in Asia keeping their eyes on the whole Pacific, with nazi based united Europe - the second having clear interests and connections in South America.
They would have wiped you out from the map, just like in "The Man in the Iron Castle" or "Vaterland".
Thirdly, what the Roosevelt administration was doing, was a directly pushing Japan into the war, which escalated in the 30s. This was a clear breach of the Monroe Doctrine, showing already that "the rule-based order" means to the US rules that are being figured out by them and applied to the others, not them.

Secondly, the Soviet Union saved your Murican arses directly, if only considered from a wider perspective.

From a much wider perspective - the US and its western allies expected the Soviets to be defeated by the Nazis. Only then would they attack Germany as its military would have been depleted. Then Stalingrad happened and the tide was turned in 1943.

The western allies only managed to scrape D-Day together a year later when they realized that the Soviets not only single-handedly destroyed the Nazis, but that the whole of Europe could fall under the Soviet sphere. What a frightful thought!  

In reality Stalin had not interest in conquering Europe. His idea was a number of satellite states bordering the USSR as a barrier against US imperialism.

You only have to look at current history to know that he was right.

ALAMO wrote:Firstly, no, the SU was not going to attack Germany back in 1941 - it is nonsense constructed on a wave of anti-Russian propaganda of the 90s. As the guys have already said, the Soviet Union has spent an entire decade opposing Hitler.

that's the confirmation that they indeed long planned to stab the Germans in the back, made clear by Soviet occupation of Bukovina, next to the Romanian oil fields, & the 6M copies of German-Russian phrasebook printed/issued to the Red Army with questions like "where is the village/town chief/mayor?"- see my last post on GPW tread.

Secondly, the Soviet Union saved your Murican arses directly, if only considered from a wider perspective.

from a wider perspective, China saved the USSR 1st, by tying down the IJA in her interior & thus preventing Japanese occupation of the Soviet Far East from which several army divisions were sent to help stop the German advance & stabilize the front in the fall/winter of 1941-42.
Situation in & around Moldova update:
https://topcor.ru/48283-kak-moldaviju-vedut-k-novoj-grazhdanskoj-vojne.html

Would all y'all please take this WW2 thing to WW2 tread?

Tsavo Lion wrote:

ALAMO wrote:Firstly, no, the SU was not going to attack Germany back in 1941 - it is nonsense constructed on a wave of anti-Russian propaganda of the 90s. As the guys have already said, the Soviet Union has spent an entire decade opposing Hitler.

that's the confirmation that they indeed long planned to stab the Germans in the back, made clear by Soviet occupation of Bukovina, next to the Romanian oil fields, & the 6M copies of German-Russian phrasebook printed/issued to the Red Army with questions like "where is the village/town chief/mayor?"- see my last post on GPW tread.

Secondly, the Soviet Union saved your Murican arses directly, if only considered from a wider perspective.

from a wider perspective, China saved the USSR 1st, by tying down the IJA in her interior & thus preventing Japanese occupation of the Soviet Far East from which several army divisions were sent to help stop the German advance & stabilize the front in the fall/winter of 1941-42.
Situation in & around Moldova update:
https://topcor.ru/48283-kak-moldaviju-vedut-k-novoj-grazhdanskoj-vojne.html

Soviet Union Saved China During Second World War.


http://www.wio.ru/spain/china-a.htm



China did not save Soviet Union during WWII, it was the other way around.

Japan would probably never invade Soviet Union, because it had no natural resources it needed. Japan really needed petroleum and rubber, and Asian part of the Soviet Union did not have it, as in not in a way that they could extract it at that time. There is petroleum in Siberia now, but none was extracted back in the 1930's and 1940's.

The only thing the Asian part of Soviet Union had in abundance was timber, but that was something Japan already had in Manchuria, Korea, and even Japan itself.

There was no practical point for the Japanese to invade Soviet Union.

Japan was even permitted to operate some mine(s) in the Soviet (or northern) part of Sahalin until 1944, so Japan was allowed to obtain at least some natural resources from that part of the world without fighting for it.  


Also, before Barbarossa Hitler told Japanese to not bother with such an invasion, but to instead take Singapore.

I guess they did as they were told, but there was no practical point for them to invade Soviet Union.


In 1944 the Japanese even succeeded in linking the Japanese-occupied China with their occupied French Indo-China.