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    Post  Isos Mon Jan 01, 2024 9:22 pm

    Russia sold same flanker and s-400 to India and China and even pushed for t-90 in Pakistan. I don't see why India should be forbiden to sell weapons to Russia's enemies.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 01, 2024 9:24 pm

    Exactly. Business as usual.
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    Post  Hole Mon Jan 01, 2024 9:38 pm

    Completely agree, Russian MOD need to hire new people or let interns run the show
    Why? They told us that they destroyed Himars multiple times.
    Reaction from those who know better?
    Can´t be!
    Pictures are not good enough.
    Was something else...
    Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

    Exactly. Business as usual.
    If India sold the stuff directly and not so some other nation who "gifted" it to Banderaland.
    Remember the tanks from Marocco?

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jan 01, 2024 9:57 pm

    Even if someone else paid India for it and they shipped it to Ukraine it still doesn't matter a rats ass.

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    Post  Regular Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:56 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Why? They told us that they destroyed Himars multiple times.
    Reaction from those who know better?
    Can´t be!
    Pictures are not good enough.
    Was something else...
    Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


    You are missing the point. It’s about not doing their job right. If they did, it would eliminate this telegram group nonsense where one group wants to flex on another. Pictures I attached were from group, not MOD!

    Unified and proper PR and media reach through Zvezda TV is what many want, this bullshit what we get is silly. No crappy music, no childish jokes or convoluted nonsense, just official channels. Don’t you agree? I am tired of following 150+ channels that eventually want to sell me a winter hat/knife/backpack as owner wants to make money
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 01, 2024 11:55 pm

    January 1⃣. Special military operation progress, stay tuned for tomorrow:

    ◾Russia is launching sensitive strikes on Ukrainian military facilities today and will do so tomorrow after the terrorist attack in Belgorod, Putin said. He noted that Russia would intensify strikes on Kiev's military facilities.

    ◾The number of victims of the shelling of Belgorod on 30 December has risen to 25 people, including 5 children, Governor Gladkov said. He said a 4-year-old girl died in hospital today in a serious condition.

    ◾Ukrainian troops fired 15 MLRS rockets at Donetsk 10 minutes into the New Year. The head of the DPR reported 4 dead and 13 wounded.

    ◾In Odessa, explosions damaged port infrastructure, the Ukrainian military said.

    ◾Ukrainian media reported explosions in Kiev amid an air alert; local authorities noted that air defence systems were operating in the suburbs.

    ◾On 31 December, the Russian armed forces launched a strike with long-range airborne precision weapons against the infrastructure of airfields where Storm Shadow cruise missile carriers were based, hitting all facilities, the defence ministry said.

    ◾Russian troops hit a drone production facility near the town of Chuguev in the Kharkov region, four fuel depots for AFU military equipment near Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk and the town of Konstantinovka in the Nikolaev region, the Defence Ministry said.

    ◾Two Ukrainian drones were neutralised in the Bryansk region during the day, with no casualties or damage, the governor said.

    ◾Putin presented the participants in the special operation with commemorative badges - copies of the presidential standard - at the Novo-Ogarevo residence near Moscow. The president said he had designed them himself.

    @ukraine_watch

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jan 02, 2024 2:35 am

    Regular wrote:

    Incorrect about shortages. Listen what Sternenko and Madyar say. They are bottlenecked now and will feel draught soon. Chinese exports cannot be easily accessed to them, unlike Ru Gov contracts and private purchases.

    not sure which war you are watching, they fly daily in Avdeevka


    They block ranges of frequencies, not one channel. By the time they change anything, they will be out of action or loosing drones. There are more to this of course, but jammers can switch channels quicker than drones that can fall down the sky if telemetry is interrupted for a mere second. Frequency analysers are game changers here. You see what channels ukrs use kilometres away.

    Ukros switch bands, they go from UHF to VHF, then back up again, jammers are programmed in bands, everytime they switch, jammers have to be reprogrammed

    You are completely wrong with this. By 5-6 months.

    which war are you watching? Russian forces are hiding in dugouts in Avdeevka because going outside means instant death



    The drone situation has not been addressed, that's why they remain in the same positions for 2 months

    This issue is the one thing holding Russia back from making more advances

    Improvement in EW, and implementing squad SOP for EW is the main effort right now

    1 jammer backpack per squad, and none of the squad members can leave more than 50m from the jammer, until it is assured that FPV operators have been eliminated or are suppressed
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 02, 2024 3:52 am

    India selling 155mm artillery shells to Ukraine

    First of all is there any actual proof that India sold it to Ukraine... I would say the west has been using all sorts of made up companies to go around the world buying up any artillery shells they could buy from anyone who will sell.

    If you had any brains and the right connections buying shells from other countries and then being able to sell them to the US with an enormous mark up would be a great way to make easy money... and no doubt they would have.

    Implying India sold weapons to Ukraine to kill Russians would be like finding Soviet weapons in Ukraine and claiming Russians are selling weapons to the Ukraine to kill Russians... and there is probably a good chance some of them are.

    People are bastards... but you have to question the sources and who is pushing the information... because while the US desperately wants 155mm artillery shells to send to Ukraine they also want to divide BRICS countries as much as they can so this claim would be particularly valuable and useful for them even if they had to make it up completely... which they regularly do.

    If it turns out to be remotely true then Russia should simply ask India to produce some 152mm and 122mm artillery shells for them to return the favour.

    Ukraine seems to have dozens of guns which they use occasionally to hit civilian targets... more annoying than potent and certainly not going to turn the war in their favour.

    If this is true however it makes Indian complaints at Russian sales of weapons to Pakistan look rather amusing.

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    Post  thegopnik Tue Jan 02, 2024 4:27 am

    can they just strike the drone operators with their drones and artillery? They have a shortage of this or lack range?
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jan 02, 2024 4:56 am

    thegopnik wrote:can they just strike the drone operators with their drones and artillery? They have a shortage of this or lack range?

    The problem in Avdeevka is not just the city, but also the villages surrounding

    Look at Stepove

    Russia has overwhelming artillery and drone superiority , but Ukraine compensates asymmetrically

    Numerous videos surfaced of Russian special forces throwing grenades in trenches and dugouts, where Ukrainians are inside some kind of fortifications

    That is the situation, Ukraine is not attacking anymore, they have disappeared from view and are totally entrenched

    Meanwhile, Russian troops have to expose themselves when attempting to advance

    So you have overwhelming artillery and drone support, but no targets to identify or hit

    Meanwhile Ukrainians with a steady supply of FPV, are capable of knocking a platoon out of combat, or knocking out resupply convoys and disabling their armored escorts

    It has nothing to do with quantity of weapons when Ukrainians are dug in

    They nullify the advantage in munitions superiority, but they become more of a guerilla force than an actual functioning military

    And that is what we see - The Ukrainian military is no longer combat effective in the open

    For now Russian troops are more or less digging in themselves in the positions they captured

    All resupply is done by drone, and robotized "bukhanka"

    This is what has brought casualties lower, but there is no movement, as the surface is like a no man's land

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    Post  Sujoy Tue Jan 02, 2024 5:41 am

    PapaDragon wrote:As long as they aren't donating them to Ukraine or blocking Russia from buying them should they ask it's a valid play
    India is not exporting any weapons to Ukraine.

    These are artillery shells that US purchased from India as part of the offset deal and susequently exported to Ukraine.

    https://www.defensenews.com/land/2023/10/06/us-army-awards-15b-to-boost-global-production-of-artillery-rounds/

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    Post  Sujoy Tue Jan 02, 2024 5:46 am

    GarryB wrote:If this is true however it makes Indian complaints at Russian sales of weapons to Pakistan look rather amusing.
    Russia sells billions of $ of weapons to China that China fields against India. Russia also sells state of the art small arms to Pakistan that are routinely used against India.

    So using these events as precedents India can export weapons to Ukraine. But India doesn't. These are artillery shells that India had exported to the US who are in turn exporting them to Ukraine.

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:12 am

    Concentrating on figuring out the signals of where the drones are coming from amd striking said areas is key. I don't think jamming will be that effective but I could be wrong. They may be able to create heavy EM weapon but it would also possibly render Russian drones useless as well in the area used. But not a bad idea if needing to advance by having some kind of heavy EM weapons running within a certain range creating an umbrella for Russian troops.

    But new ELINT equipment, maybe even a drone, would be ideal in sniffing out drone operators in the battlefield.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:21 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    GarryB wrote:If this is true however it makes Indian complaints at Russian sales of weapons to Pakistan look rather amusing.
    Russia sells billions of $ of weapons to China that China fields against India. Russia also sells state of the art small arms to Pakistan that are routinely used against India.

    So using these events as precedents India can export weapons to Ukraine. But India doesn't. These are artillery shells that India had exported to the US who are in turn exporting them to Ukraine.

    Like just about every arms deal done, there will be clause where you can't sell on of gift to another country without the say so if the original supplier. It's common practice, USA is the worst for it. So if India finds out that USA has done this against the sales agreement then India could take legal action or refused any further military deals based on this. And if India has got any balls it should do. Russia is far more of ally to India than USA will ever be.

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    Post  nomadski Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:48 am

    Young blood in leadership ? The old think differently . War is a young man's business . Peace an old man's hobby . India selling ? Well Turkey was selling drones too ! Everybody making money . But some you can shepherd into the pen . Others are beyond reach . Advancing in the open ? No need . Build trench digging machines and advance troops behind them . They have much bigger tunnel digging machines underground ! WW1 style . Depth 50 cm , troops flat on Rollers !  " Heavy ! " attacks against Kiev ? You should look at old photo of Berlin at the end of WW2 . Artillery doing most of the damage . Buffer zone against them practical , not against Rockets launched from 300 km away . During any partition plan , citizens will be offered a choice . If they stay , then they follow the rules .

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:59 am

    Holly cow, IT seems Like heaven Has fallen down on the ukrs this night...
    16 tu-95, about ten tu-22, several su-35 and mig-31s... With Kalibrs and Iskanders...

    That is 48+h of unstoppable missile barrage that only increases day by day ...

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    Post  Sujoy Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:17 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:Like just about every arms deal done, there will be  clause where you can't sell on of gift to another country without the say so if the original supplier. It's common practice, USA is the worst for it. So if India finds out that USA has done this against the sales agreement then India could take legal action or refused any further military deals based on this.
    Not that easy. The US will simply remove that made in India logo on the shells so that they appear to have been manufactured in the US.

    Isn't there a Western arms embargo on China? Then how come Germany is selling engines for tanks, submarines to China? France is selling cruise missiles to China that China simply rebrands and exports.

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    Post  Tolstoy Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:29 am

    GarryB wrote:If it turns out to be remotely true then Russia should simply ask India to produce some 152mm and 122mm artillery shells for them to return the favour.
    How will these street shitters manufacture 152mm shells when they don't even have the capability? 152mm is a Russian round.

    These low lifes will have to set up an entire manufacturing facility with the proper tooling, engineers that know the specifications to make the new production ammunition safe and compatible with the existing guns, and train workers to do it. This isn't a quick or easy thing to do--you're talking about several years of work before the first round comes off the production line. All this assuming they even have skilled engineers. Their engineers are almost always mediocre.
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    Post  thegopnik Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:38 am


    good night guys

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jan 02, 2024 7:52 am

    Seems the most massive strike of Kinzhals recorder.
    11 reported so far, with new 31s airborne.

    "S-300" were already reported, so we can expect multiple hits of the failed missiles on the ground.
    Some on line monitoring camera was switched on, providing an excellent aerial pic of falling AD rockets ...

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    I wonder if the numbers are t ukro projection to justify the massive damage on the ground.

    However as the Geran number was unprecedented, maybe this is a serious preparation for something ...

    Edit :

    Kiev panorama is reportedly covered with smog. They have been hit really hard ...

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    Post  Regular Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:30 am

    [quote="Arkanghelsk"]

    not sure which war you are watching, they fly daily in Avdeevka

    I am watching same SMO, some of your claims are very weird and make no sense.
    Like this one. Ukrainians use artillery daily as well, does it mean they have shell shortage or not? They die in droves in Krinky, does that mean they have people shortage or not? Build a narraritive on trends and this will set you free.

    Small tidbit
    Recorded Russian FPV strikes & common Ukrainian complaint

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    Ukros switch bands, they go from UHF to VHF, then back up again, jammers are programmed in bands, everytime they switch, jammers have to be reprogrammed
    Frequency hopping is very limited and would still cause FPV drone to eat dirt, mere second of telemetry/control loss can be fatal for the drone.
    Also, regards frequency hopping and jamming and programming… Look closer into this screeshot
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    which war are you watching? Russian forces are hiding in dugouts in Avdeevka because going outside means instant death

    Hiding in dugouts, yet squeeze on Avdeevka is getting stronger. Many dugouts near Berdichi? What is going on there?

    The drone situation has not been addressed, that's why they remain in the same positions for 2 months
    Two months, nothing changed around Avdiivka? What can I say, I am not the smartest person, but can Jamie pull out the map from Creamy Caprice and compare it? I am against spoon feeding, especially when your statement is contrarian one

    This issue is the one thing holding Russia back from making more advances
    FPV drones?… mines, fortifications, atgms, artillery, tanks, ifvs, infantry

    Improvement in EW, and implementing squad SOP for EW is the main effort right now

    1 jammer backpack per squad, and none of the squad members can leave more than 50m from the jammer, until it is assured that FPV operators have been eliminated or are suppressed


    And source of this is what? I am really worried I missed something, especially main effort bit and 50 meters… What about Bulat project? Don’t see you mentioning it, yet all drone groups are talking about it and not about backpacks. Sorry man, you are very pessimistic and hold weird narrative

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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:28 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Like just about every arms deal done, there will be  clause where you can't sell on of gift to another country without the say so if the original supplier. It's common practice, USA is the worst for it. So if India finds out that USA has done this against the sales agreement then India could take legal action or refused any further military deals based on this.
    Not that easy. The US will simply remove that made in India logo on the shells so that they appear to have been manufactured in the US.

    Isn't there a Western arms embargo on China? Then how come Germany is selling engines for tanks, submarines to China? France is selling cruise missiles to China that China simply rebrands and exports.

    In many past wars we have seen marked equipment and ammo and nobody bothered to go to the effort, time and money, to scrub off and reprint ammo. And Indian shells apparently already shown up in images in Ukraine. If India wants to make a buck then they should sell to Russia it's ally, or if USA asks them to sell to them India should simply offer them at 5 times the price if USA really wants them then let them buy above the cost if not tell them to go jump.
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    Post  Isos Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:38 am

    Kinzhal.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:46 am

    Honestly, no country that exports weapons can be sure about its end users.
    It is a global market of legal transactions, a shade sphere, and an entirely black market.
    One can deliver to a perfectly legal entity, only to figure that it will end up in Sudan a year later, after cleaning the documents.
    Besides, it is India deal.
    Russia is supplying both China and Pakistan without many issues.
    Countries and legal entities are busy with smuggling parts, which is notorious.
    Just check the headlines, how often it happens that some weapons or parts smuggle was revealed.
    US "purchased" a whole fleet of Moldovan MiG-29s when those were not formally Moldovan, because no agreement was made with Russia yet.
    I saw with my own eyes T-80 and MSTA being loaded on board of C-5 back in 1993.
    How much legal was that, care to guess? Laughing
    I am not even sure what are we discussing here other than just one more racist fart of a certain member that will do everything to spray some shit on India. Maybe he was ass raped while on holidays there, which has left him traumatized dunno

    Isos wrote:Kinzhal.

    Doesn't look like one to me.
    More like Ch-22/32, or some other long missile.
    Kinzhal will be quite hard to distinguish from Iskander when falling, honestly.
    At  the moment all TG channels are flooded with tons of shit as the attack was massive.
    This can be a falling part with flames behind as well.
    I would wait with any comments until official statements.

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    Post  Isos Tue Jan 02, 2024 10:08 am

    Camera speed is too low to capture the real form. I doubt the kh-22 has red flames around, we already saw such pictures of kh-22 in ukraine.

    This is for sure a kinzhal.

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