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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #51

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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:46 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    As various sources have pointed out NATO want to turn Moldova into another Ukraine that would leave Russia no option but to take it.

    I am sure plenty in HATO would love for that to happen but will Moldova let them?

    It is not just up to HATO to decide, there has to be a countries entire elite prepared to sell out their own country for their own personal benefit.

    Not all of them are empty money grabbers to the core... and of course sometimes there are enough in positions of power to stop them anyway.

    If NATO can convince a country like Ukraine to sell it's soul then they will have no issues forcing Moldova and as pointed out already they have puppets installed already they are halfway there. They will frighten the population and brainwash them. NATO won't let Moldova sit on the fence and they definitely won't let them lean towards Russia in anyway.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:54 pm

    Krepost wrote:Two of the Ukrainian Gyurza class gunboats (ex- Vishgorod and ex-Ackerman) that were captured earlier and had their 30mm Ukrainina guns replaced by old Soviet 25mm.

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    What's the point of fiddling with this? Who would be retarded enough to use it?

    It's supposed to be cut for scrap anyway

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    Post  Isos Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:55 pm

    They can use them to hunt those naval drones.

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    Post  Belisarius Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:08 pm

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    The number of published episodes of the use of FPV drones in the Northern Military District zone has exceeded 3000!

    According to updated statistics from colleagues from LostArmour @lost_armour , by the evening of December 29, 2023, at least 3038 episodes of the use of FPV drones in the NWO zone had been published. In December, the monthly record was again broken with 759 episodes published.

    Of the 3038 targets, 413 were guaranteed to be destroyed, and another 471 targets were guaranteed to be damaged. Successful hits were recorded in 1,432 videos, but it is not possible to assess the damage caused (as a rule, these are frames without objective control) . The results of the other 368 episodes of FPV drone use are not known for certain. Unfortunately, blunders were recorded in 216 cases.

    The most common targets of FPV drones are: enemy positions (1145 episodes) , infantry outside cover (448 episodes) , various buildings (407 episodes) , vehicles (392 episodes) and light armored vehicles (280 episodes) .

    We remind you that this is only a small part of the total number of FPV drones used and their actual combat count is much higher.
    https://t.me/lost_armour/1977

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    Post  Hole Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:13 pm

    I counted 8 Kalibr in this salvo.
    There is more where they came from. Very Happy

    whatever that was, it was very large
    Allegedly a Patriot missile

    Due to the improper operation of Ukrainian air defense
    What was destroyed or is being jammed can´t work properly.

    maternity hospitals
    Sure Rolling Eyes

    Dont think this was a Geranium
    A very big example Laughing

    Well, the raid was indeed unprecedented.
    In the coming days there will be follow-on attacks against located SAM and radar systems.

    Whatever was at the site got seriously modified.
    A lot of air conditioners went up.

    latest wave of murderous airstrikes
    Would he say that to Nazinjahoo?

    of conscripts
    There are only professional soldiers on the Russian side, you f...ing liar.

    we are sending hundreds of air defence missiles to restock
    lol1 lol1 lol1

    hoping that he can clutch victory from the jaws of defeat.
    The last time one was so bitterly defeated was Muhammad Ali in the Rumble in the Jungle.

    in the face of Russian barbarity
    Called precision or surgical strikes if the west does it.

    'Now is the time for the free world to come together and redouble our efforts to get Ukraine what they need to win
    confused No
    I need an emoji that throws up!

    It is insane. And inhumane
    Bastards

    Russia better purge the entirety of Ukraine of this Nazi Filth.
    100%



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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:21 pm

    Isos wrote:They can use them to hunt those naval drones.

    That's what speedboats are for

    Ukraine sinks full size cruiser and several landing ships and Russian Navy humiliates itself even further by using this junk? (which they laughed at several years ago)

    Where's the fuckin dignity?
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    Post  franco Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:34 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:They can use them to hunt those naval drones.

    That's what speedboats are for

    Ukraine sinks full size cruiser and several landing ships and Russian Navy humiliates itself even further by using this junk? (which they laughed at several years ago)

    Where's the fuckin dignity?

    They are just speedboats... with a cannon. Back in the photo check out the guy in red standing in front of the one on the left.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:01 am

    I saw a more high quality vid of that X-101 firing decoys on it's way to Lvov on a source.

    did some AI upscale magic and frame interpolation Wink

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:04 am

    franco wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:They can use them to hunt those naval drones.

    That's what speedboats are for

    Ukraine sinks full size cruiser and several landing ships and Russian Navy humiliates itself even further by using this junk? (which they laughed at several years ago)

    Where's the fuckin dignity?

    They are just speedboats... with a cannon. Back in the photo check out the guy in red standing in front of the one on the left.

    Ukrainian boats, not even speedboats

    And they are junk

    Is Russian Navy still so butthurt over Tsushima that they will stoop this low just to try (and fail) to look successful?

    Get rid of that junk, you already have plenty of yours

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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:27 am

    Ukraine conscripting people with Down syndrome

    So much for thinking the Orcs might want to protect such people... they will make fun of them on Tiktok and use them as cannon fodder.... this is just evil, these men have no souls.

    Play that video to American politicians saying money to Ukraine is great value, they deserve our money and support.

    I liked that post because that is something more people need to see.

    Reportedly a Kh-101 dropping flares??

    They release countermeasures when they detect incoming threats, which is why they get through so often...


    If NATO can convince a country like Ukraine to sell it's soul then they will have no issues forcing Moldova and as pointed out already they have puppets installed already they are halfway there.

    I agree that HATO is evil, they are throwing countries under a huge bus and they keep doing it because they think the bus driver wont ever try to run them over too...

    The point is that videos like the ones above should be shown to the people of Moldova and let them decide for themselves what they want.

    The west engineered the Maidan, but people can protest without getting paid to do it to stop a fate like this happening to them.

    They will frighten the population and brainwash them. NATO won't let Moldova sit on the fence and they definitely won't let them lean towards Russia in anyway.

    If they could do that with Moldova you'd think they could do it easily with Georgia, but Georgia is not helping the west... they know they are just an expendable pawn in this game that the west does not care about.

    What's the point of fiddling with this? Who would be retarded enough to use it?

    They actually kept those guns in service because they are more accurate at hitting sea surface targets like floating mines or unmanned drones.

    You can start firing much earlier than with small arms fire or HMG fire because those things are powerful and have excellent range.

    That's what speedboats are for

    Speedboats?  Most speedboats would be destroyed when a drone is hit and explodes.

    Plus smaller lighter speed boats bounce around a lot on the sea and are not the most stable shooting platforms for shooting at sea surface targets.

    Helicopters and fighters are much more efficient at dealing with drones and floating mines, but in terms of reach and power 25mm guns on this vessel on that mount would be vastly more effective than HMG on a speed boat.


    Ukrainian boats, not even speedboats

    And they are junk

    An extra set of 25mm cannon to defend the fleet... they are just fine. They would be junk if you wanted to hunt submarines or launch cruise missiles on Kiev, but against drones and floating mines they are as good as anything Russia has because those 25mm guns and those gun mounts are great for hitting targets in the water.

    They kept those gun mounts on some of their mine sweepers for this very reason.

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    Post  Krepost Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:21 am

    Here are the reasons why the Russians put the old 25mm naval guns on the captured Ukrainian Gyurza class boats:

    - Before abandoning the boats, the Ukrainians sabotaged the 30mm gun mechanisms and optics and made them useless. They did the same to the anti-tank guided missiles guidance systems. Fortunately, they did not mess up with the hulls and engines.
    - One of the original Ukrainian gun mounts is used as a trophy display in Patriot Park (near Moscow).
    - As mentioned by other posters, the 25mm gun have dual role; anti-air and anti-surface. They are very good for the later role. Many Soviet minesweepers are equipped with this gun.
    - The old Soviet 25mm dual gun mounts was very common in the Soviet Navy. There are a large number of mounts in excellent condition that were salvaged form decommissioned ships and stored.
    - There are tons of 25mm ammunition in warehouses waiting for someone to use them.

    ...and finally:
    - Later on, when coastal operations and landing in Nikolaev and Odessa will start, it will be exactly these types of boats (as well as the Russian Raptors) that will be needed to conduct raids, land special forces, destroy floating mines etc. Cruisers, frigates and submarines are not needed for these roles.

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:34 am

    Ukrainian statement about their inability to shoot down Kh-22

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Dec 30, 2023 6:39 am

    GarryB wrote:They release countermeasures when they detect incoming threats, which is why they get through so often
    Which sensors on board the Kh- 101 missile detects incoming threats, that too while travelling at such high speed?
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Dec 30, 2023 7:20 am

    Georgia went to war with Russia and lost while the west abandoned it. That's the difference between Georgia and Moldova. And U can add western installed puppets into the mix. People may protest but I highly doubt it will achieve anything. Moldova has longed to be integrated into Romania and a Russian threat would be a great excuse to join Romania. I of course would hope Moldova wouldnt side with anyone but as I said NATO and the west won't allow Moldova to sit on the fence. Moldova is largely insignificant but this is purely the west spitting the dumbing out and causing chaos for Russia it's not as if the west actually cares about the Moldovan people they will as Biden puts it fight to the last Moldovan. Of course it would be very nice for Moldovan population to rebel and seize control but the western installed regime would just ask for Romanian troops to get involved to stop any uprising and it's a good excuse to bring troops into the country. Because Moldova knows it's forces would lose a war against Transnistrian forces back by Russia and add an uprising in Gaugazhia. The west has very little spare equipment left to back Moldova, and Russia would just launch Gerans, and give transnistrian forces FPV drones that would be enough to paralyze moldovan forces. And I believe Moldova knows this

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:44 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    Which sensors on board the Kh- 101 missile detects incoming threats, that too while travelling at such high speed?

    I hardly believe it does that if threath is detected.
    More probable is just doing so randomly, or at predestined locations where some AD is expected to exist.
    It would require a proper MAWS suite to detect incoming missiles ...
    On the other hand ... those are the only existing cruise missiles with defensive countermeasures ... who can figure what else those crazy Ivans put on board Laughing Laughing

    d_taddei2 wrote:Georgia went to war with Russia and lost while the west abandoned it.

    Georgia lost not because of the west abandoning it, but because of Russia's decision to intervene.
    The whole strategy was set to end the ethnic cleansing so fast, that Russkie won't be able to get involved.
    So was the timetable, at a day of Olympic opening, and so was the calculation for decisionmakers - Putin being at Bejing, and Medvedev in charge at home.
    West has not abandoned them, they have been assisted at the highest level and in multiple directions.
    Tanks were upgraded with Israelis.
    So was the Spyder SAM originated.
    Buk was heavily upgraded by the Ukrainians.
    Groms were delivered from Poland.
    Small arms were of US origin.
    So was the communication system, everything was made by Motorola and Honeywell.
    US and Brits advisors were all over the place.
    Every tool the west could provide or buy, was there.
    They just miscalculated the determination of Russkie, and the condition of 58th Army which started the operation at the very first sight, with no mobilization pause.
    There is a giant misunderstanding pumped by the propaganda machine about tiny Georgi being gang raped by the mighty neighbor state. While the situation was just the opposite. Georgians had a giant advantage in both manpower and armor at the theatre. 58th army operated with detached units, to close the range and pass the tunnel ASAP. This is how a bulk of Russian casualties happened - fighting with much lower numbers. Till the end of the conflict, Russia engaged lower manpower.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:41 am

    https://t.me/HolodniyYar/4609

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    Post  Isos Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:47 am

    There was a video of a kh-101 jamming an Osa system last year. The interceptor missile exploded 500m away really thinking it locked onto something.

    To have such jamming you need to know what radar is around so it has some Elint stuff inside.

    Iris-t uses a radar to find targets so it drops flares based on either the detection of the radar signals or on preprogramed time to counter potential use of manpads in urban areas. Here it should be the second case.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:55 am

    That can be the case, however, Iris has a quite advanced multispectral homing head. It is doubtful if flares can foul it if you ask me. But sure that elint is much easier to place on board rather than sensors that will record start of the missile.
    But as I said, until the wreckage were revealed, nobody even considered that a cruise missile could have its own and effective defense suite. Betting on what those crazy Ivans put on board can be risky.

    Edit :
    Take a look here, it is a full version of the film :

    https://t.me/intelslava/54202

    As we see, flares are being released at the terminal phase of flight, just before the missile hit a target.

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    Post  Isos Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:10 am

    Lastest aim-9x was fooled by su-22's flares...

    It really depends of when you release the flares and what's going on in the computer of the iris-t missile. Flares can do their work. It can just choose to lock on the flare if see it first when looking for the target.

    I would also add chaffs in those flares to also negate the radar lock. Chaffs are very good to force an unlock by a radar, specially if your missile has a low RCS.

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    Post  RTN Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:38 am

    Western cruise missiles also carry flares.

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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:34 pm

    Later on, when coastal operations and landing in Nikolaev and Odessa will start
    Those boats will more likely be used in a patrol role in the new Azov Sea Flotilla.

    Ukrainian statement about their inability to shoot down Kh-22
    But they can shot down the much faster Kinzhal. Rolling Eyes

    while travelling at such high speed?

    900km/h isn´t that fast for a missile.



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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:32 pm

    Which sensors on board the Kh- 101 missile detects incoming threats, that too while travelling at such high speed?

    Just the usual radar and IR sensors that are generally non directional and basic but detect the IR plume of a missile very close by triggering flares to be released and radar signals from ARH missiles to deploy jammers and chaff as well as flight manouvers. Iskander and Kinzhal and most of their anti ship missiles have the same... Zircon, Onyx, Vulkan, Granit, etc etc.

    Moldova has longed to be integrated into Romania and a Russian threat would be a great excuse to join Romania.

    If that was true then what has stopped it in the past?

    What would HATO need to do to trigger that if that was already the will of the people?

    No need to interfere at all if that is the case.

    More probable is just doing so randomly, or at predestined locations where some AD is expected to exist.

    Random would not be effective, and would actually be counter productive as launching flares and chaff and active jammer decoys would attract the attention of air defence rather than distract it.

    It would require a proper MAWS suite to detect incoming missiles ...

    No processing power or complexity is needed... just a simple system like an automatic door opening system for a shop door.

    It just needs to detect something approaching the door it does not need to determine height or weight or how much they intend to spend.

    On the other hand ... those are the only existing cruise missiles with defensive countermeasures ... who can figure what else those crazy Ivans put on board

    As I have mentioned before the Russians test their attack weapons against their own air defences, which is clearly testing them to a much higher standard than any HATO country can achieve on land and against systems very much comparable to western naval systems.

    Georgia lost not because of the west abandoning it, but because of Russia's decision to intervene.
    The whole strategy was set to end the ethnic cleansing so fast, that Russkie won't be able to get involved.
    So was the timetable, at a day of Olympic opening, and so was the calculation for decisionmakers - Putin being at Bejing, and Medvedev in charge at home.
    West has not abandoned them, they have been assisted at the highest level and in multiple directions.
    Tanks were upgraded with Israelis.
    So was the Spyder SAM originated.
    Buk was heavily upgraded by the Ukrainians.
    Groms were delivered from Poland.
    Small arms were of US origin.
    So was the communication system, everything was made by Motorola and Honeywell.
    US and Brits advisors were all over the place.
    Every tool the west could provide or buy, was there.
    They just miscalculated the determination of Russkie, and the condition of 58th Army which started the operation at the very first sight, with no mobilization pause.
    There is a giant misunderstanding pumped by the propaganda machine about tiny Georgi being gang raped by the mighty neighbor state. While the situation was just the opposite. Georgians had a giant advantage in both manpower and armor at the theatre. 58th army operated with detached units, to close the range and pass the tunnel ASAP. This is how a bulk of Russian casualties happened - fighting with much lower numbers. Till the end of the conflict, Russia engaged lower manpower.

    All very true but the US also degraded the civilian GPS signal to the point it was totally useless, while maintaining the military signal that Georgia was using. Russian troops ended up having to use cellphones and cellphone towers for navigation.

    It was the wakeup call Putin needed that the Russian Army needed help, but also a very good example of what they were capable of even then at a time we forget now where a solider in a single unit didn't have trousers or a jacket that matched in terms of camouflage let alone an entire unit with the same pattern.

    To have such jamming you need to know what radar is around so it has some Elint stuff inside.

    Or a device transmitting radio proximity fuse signals that it detects so the target incoming missile thinks it is much closer to the target than it actually is.

    Quite a common thing, which is why the R-73EL uses a laser proximity fuse.

    Lastest aim-9x was fooled by su-22's flares...

    Keep in mind that an IR sensor doesn't know what an aircraft is and can be fooled by a pattern of IR signals, which is why aircraft release flares in batches to create alternative IR patterns in the sky.

    I would also add chaffs in those flares to also negate the radar lock. Chaffs are very good to force an unlock by a radar, specially if your missile has a low RCS.

    Ejecting flares in a pattern from the view of a missile is rather more convincing if chaff is launched too giving the IR pattern a RCS.

    Sometimes between the flares and chaff are active emitting radar jammers that don't light up like a christmas tree like flares do but are very distracting too.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:34 pm

    But they can shot down the much faster Kinzhal.

    To be fair it is UK intel that claims they can. Ukrainian intel say they can't and have said they can't for a while now.

    Obviously we can't trust either but I would say the Ukrainians are being honest in this case because it doesn't really benefit them to lie in this case.

    The UK intel lie all the time and all day long.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:42 pm

    They claim Kinzhals intercepted almost every time when used, sooo ... Laughing

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    Post  Arrow Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:05 pm

    Ukraine fired at the center of Belgorod.

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