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    Post  Hole Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:53 pm

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    Older pics but nice rocket.

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    A quick wash and on a transporter to Moscow
    Great that the Russians showed the Kurganets-25 years ago.
    Otherwise the west would claim that they copied the Bradley.


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    Post  Hole Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:54 pm

    Beware, you will be asked to redefine sarcasm

    You were right:

    Lots of reasons but the most important is that 4 lanes is probably plenty for the anticipated traffic.

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    Post  Godric Fri Dec 15, 2023 10:10 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:



    Village Council in Ethnic Hungarian Village in the Trans-Carpathian Rus Attacked by Three Hand Grenades.


    https://www.origo.hu/nagyvilag/20231215-karpatalja-kerecke-robbantas.html



    One killed, another 26 wounded. All of them civilians.


    Can anybody confirm if this is really an ethnic Hungarian village?

    A Hungarian article to which I listed the link above claims so.

    Is this terrorist attack "to show Orban his place"?




    according to a video i was watching on Youtube, a meeting was being held by locals to escape Ukraine when a man came into the room and dropped 3 grenades

    about 35 seconds into the video

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Dec 15, 2023 10:52 pm

    https://peremogi.livejournal.com/69271839.html

    At the position in Zhytomyr, three arrivals of Kinzhal aeroballistic missiles at about 16:30 on December 14 destroyed the radar and 5 launchers of the MIM-104F Patriot PAC-2/3 complex, which had just arrived as military aid from Germany.

    Earlier, since April 2023, Patriots have been destroyed at Kyiv's Zhulyany airport and in Odessa, with Kh-31PD, Iskander and Kinzhal missiles.

    This is the fifth complex lost in Ukraine.

    Meanwhile, they have their own atmosphere: The enemy (Air Force spokesman Y. Ihnat) announced the "interception" of one Kinzhal out of four.

    They would have written three at once! One was "intercepted" by the radar and two by the launchers.

    By the way, 5 launchers (20 missiles or 80 missile defense missiles or their combinations) is about 30% of the stock of PAC-2/PAC-3 missiles in Germany.

    The photo shows a fire and an uncontrolled scattering of anti aircraft missiles.

    The day before, the Russian Aerospace Forces struck military airfields in western Ukraine in the Ivano-Frankivsk and Vinnytsia regions, as well as in Starokostyantyniv in the Khmelnytskyi region.

    The official representative of the Ukrainian Air Force, Yuriy Ihnat, complained that near Ivano-Frankivsk, a blow was struck at the location of Ukrainian pilots who are preparing to be sent to the West to retrain in the control of American F-16 fighters.

    Like, "the Russians knock out pilots." Liar, Mr. Ignat - Ukraine's remaining Su-24 front-line bombers, which were adapted for British Storm Shadow/SCALP long-range missiles, are based at these airfields.

    Also at these airfields there are arsenals of Western ammunition, which come here through Poland. So the strike was pinpoint and specifically for military purposes. Future F-16 pilots will be wiped out in the sky if they manage to take off.

    Details of the destruction (infantmilitario/115125) of the Patriot air defense system have appeared.

    A battery of Patriot air defense systems sent by Germany to Ukraine was destroyed by a Kinzhal missile strike near Zhytomyr, west of Kyiv. There is also a claim that it could have been a battery, partially divided between Kyiv and Odessa, and that it was withdrawn to the west after the shelling of the center of Kyiv. Five launchers and one command vehicle, and one air surveillance radar were destroyed. Also destroyed were 80 ready-to-fire missiles worth $5.5 million and 160 spare missiles in stock. Their cost is $1.32 billion.

    Over the past eight years, the US has ordered between 108 and 328 new MIM-104 missiles.

    With a single blow, Russia wiped out annual production. During the attacks on Kyiv, the air defense system was integrated with the radar of the AEGIS complex and early warning and control aircraft in Poland and Romania and tried to shoot down the Kinzhals, but was destroyed.

    Thus, the number of Patriot air defense batteries destroyed in Ukraine has increased to four!

    https://peremogi.livejournal.com/69271839.html

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    Post  Firebird Fri Dec 15, 2023 11:17 pm

    Brings new meaning to the phrase "ground based interception".🤣

    In fact, Patriot boasts a "100% interception rate". 😂😂

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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 16, 2023 7:44 am

    They can fire the Kinzhal with the Su-34 now.

    Is that actually confirmed?

    The Su-34 would not be the ideal launch platform for such a missile simply because its flight envelope is not going to maximise the missiles performance the way the launch from a MiG-31K does.

    The picture that went with the revelation that the Su-34 could carry the Kinzhal actually showed it carrying a very large centre line fuel tank.

    I thought the announcement was therefore sarcasm to fool the western idiots who don't know a Kinzhal from their elbows.

    The so-called "leadership" is the crypto-Ukrainian Putin.

    I think thousands of Russians were needlessly killed and wounded due to his decisions.

    He avoided war for 8 years and signed two agreements in Minsk and was in the process of signing a peace agreement in Turkey which the Ukrainians reneged on.

    He did everything he possibly could until war was inevitable so he preemptively struck in self defence as the Americans would describe it.


    Beware, you will be asked to redefine sarcasm

    His use of emojis suggested sarcasm...

    Older pics but nice rocket.

    150kg HE bomb delivered direct...

    Great that the Russians showed the Kurganets-25 years ago.
    Otherwise the west would claim that they copied the Bradley.

    Ironic since the early versions of the Bradley were a direct copy of the BMP-1 with two crew in the hull in front of the single man turret beside the engine in the hull front.

    When they saw the BMP-2 they revised their design to a two seat turret too.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 16, 2023 8:34 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Older pics but nice rocket.

    150kg HE bomb delivered direct...


    Much more then that Twisted Evil
    It is S-25-O, which is 340 mm caliber  Twisted Evil
    TNT equivalent for this baby is almost 200kg which makes it closer to FAB500 Twisted Evil

    What is interesting, those has been heavily utilized by Ukrs since 2014, in some cases against civilian population od Doneck. Some of the most deadly attacks against civilians were made with those.

    Godric wrote:
    according to a video i was watching on Youtube, a meeting was being held by locals to escape Ukraine when a man came into the room and dropped 3 grenades

    It was just a regular meeting of the local authorities.
    The guy - at least if we will listen to Arestovich - is a 128th Brigade vet released from duty due to war trauma, who never received medical - psychological - assistance after. Arestovich was addressing the fact, that Ukraine is full of traumatized ex-military with strong PTSD, who receive no help whatsoever.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 16, 2023 10:50 am

    Much more then that Twisted Evil
    It is S-25-O, which is 340 mm caliber  Twisted Evil
    TNT equivalent for this baby is almost 200kg which makes it closer to FAB500

    It is the S-25-O, I agree, which is a 420mm calibre warhead (the 340m is the slimmer S-25-OFM).

    The numbers I have for the S-25-O is weight of fused rocket, 385kgs and weight of warhead 151kg.

    Looking at my reference book for the rocket it mentions the S-25L and S-25LD with laser guidance added to allow it to hit targets from 7 to 10km away.

    It also mentions that other seeker modules will include TV and IR and Radar seekers... have you heard of any progress on these weapons?

    I would think the massive power of their payloads would make them pretty much effective against most battlefield targets and different guidance options would just make them more flexible.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:22 am

    There is a laser guider S-25L version indeed, with a homing head taken from Ch-25ML.
    Never heard of other corrective versions, none of them was used with our Su-22s. We have used only S-25OF.
    A funny memory - missiles are packed in wooden boxes with O-25 tube. Tube is single usage, and made of ... wood with aluminum coating. When spent, it creates an empty tube hanging under the pylon, which makes an enormous noise Laughing You can hear the plane returning to the airfield from several kilometers Laughing Laughing and the sound is louder than engines ... It can be consider as psy weapon Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:10 pm

    🇷🇺💥🇺🇦🇺🇸 There are unconfirmed reports about the elimination of 28 high-ranking officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and 12 NATO officers in Starokonstantinov.

    As a result of the Russian Aerospace Forces’ Kinzhal attack on an airfield in the Khmelnitsky region on December 14, all officers from Ukraine, Poland and the Czech Republic were buried in a bunker.

    The SBU is hiding information; cellular communications have even been turned off in the area.

    ❗No confirmation from Russian intelligence yet.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Dec 16, 2023 2:51 pm

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    ❗🇷🇺🇺🇦 In Kursk, Tor and Buk missile systems, as well as Pantsir-S1, shot down six targets fired from the positional area between Kharkiv and Sumy.

    Given the rather high altitude of 11 kilometers and speeds of over 1,000 m/s, these could not have been drones. It is most likely that the AFU again used either the C-200 system or the Tochka-U.

    The enemy has been increasingly using operative-tactical missile systems along the front line since November 19, when the Tochka was shot down over Roven'ki. Last week, the Russian Defense Ministry reported two intercepted missiles.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:01 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:🇷🇺💥🇺🇦🇺🇸 There are unconfirmed reports about the elimination of 28 high-ranking officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and 12 NATO officers in Starokonstantinov.

    As a result of the Russian Aerospace Forces’ Kinzhal attack on an airfield in the Khmelnitsky region on December 14, all officers from Ukraine, Poland and the Czech Republic were buried in a bunker.

    The SBU is hiding information; cellular communications have even been turned off in the area.

    ❗No confirmation from Russian intelligence yet.
    I read somewhere that among the victims there were also several Ukrainian fighter pilots that were ready to be sent abroad to be trained on the F-16, but I do not know it is true.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:15 pm

    When Russia detects NATO officers in Ukraine they really should go all out to kill them. And when they are killed, they should tell Stoltenberg we knew they were NATO and we made an extra effort to kill them. Send more and they are dead meat.

    I think Russia has been a bit too congenial to the west. Russian boys are being killed by the actions of the west and the ledger needs to be balanced. If Russia allows them to keep this up with no blood consequences, it will gradually escalate. until we just comfortably ease into nuclear war. The old frog in boiling water thing.

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    Post  Scorpius Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:36 pm

    mnztr wrote:When Russia detects NATO officers in Ukraine they really should go all out to kill them. And when they are killed, they should tell Stoltenberg we knew they were NATO and we made an extra effort to kill them. Send more and they are dead meat.

    I think Russia has been a bit too congenial to the west. Russian boys are being killed by the actions of the west and the ledger needs to be balanced. If Russia allows them to keep this up with no blood consequences, it will gradually escalate. until we just comfortably ease into nuclear war. The old frog in boiling water thing.
    I believe that it is necessary not only to find and destroy each of these Nazi bastards (and they perfectly understand what they are doing), but also each of their family members. Perhaps then committing war crimes will become something that at least they are afraid to do.

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    Post  Hole Sat Dec 16, 2023 4:07 pm

    The enemy has been increasingly using operative-tactical missile systems
    Three weeks ago the number was zero, last week two and this week...?
    Instead of informig people Rybar sticks to being click-bait doomers.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Dec 16, 2023 6:47 pm

    🔴 Ukraine missed the opportunity to negotiate a favorable peace agreement; now any possible deal will reflect its capitulation.

    This was stated by the First Deputy Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN, Dmitry Polyansky

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sat Dec 16, 2023 7:04 pm

    Godric wrote:
    Odin of Ossetia wrote:



    Village Council in Ethnic Hungarian Village in the Trans-Carpathian Rus Attacked by Three Hand Grenades.


    https://www.origo.hu/nagyvilag/20231215-karpatalja-kerecke-robbantas.html



    One killed, another 26 wounded. All of them civilians.


    Can anybody confirm if this is really an ethnic Hungarian village?

    A Hungarian article to which I listed the link above claims so.

    Is this terrorist attack "to show Orban his place"?




    according to a video i was watching on Youtube, a meeting was being held by locals to escape Ukraine when a man came into the room and dropped 3 grenades

    about 35 seconds into the video




    It appears to me that was not an ethnic Hungarian village.

    So I guess some ethnic Rusins were the targets.


    https://asaland.proboards.com/thread/278/transcarpathian-rus-demands-independence


    Ukrainians are probably afraid to target ethnic Hungarians due to a possible response from Hungary.




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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 17, 2023 4:03 am

    There is a laser guider S-25L version indeed, with a homing head taken from Ch-25ML.

    I knew it looked familiar... did they use the same seeker on the Kh-29L too?

    When spent, it creates an empty tube hanging under the pylon, which makes an enormous noise Laughing You can hear the plane returning to the airfield from several kilometers Laughing Laughing and the sound is louder than engines ... It can be consider as psy weapon

    Doesn't Peru have the Su-25? Armed with 8 of those it would sound like pan flutes...  Smile

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    Never heard of other corrective versions, none of them was used with our Su-22s. We have used only S-25OF.

    They are mentioned in a book from 2004 that also mentions the Ugroza upgrades for S-5, S-8, and S-13 rockets, so perhaps they are more of a could do rather than already available.

    I think Russia has been a bit too congenial to the west.

    Have to agree, stringing this along is just getting more Russians killed than there needs to.


    Ukrainians are probably afraid to target ethnic Hungarians due to a possible response from Hungary.

    Sounds logical to me.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Dec 17, 2023 8:18 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I knew it looked familiar... did they use the same seeker on the Kh-29L too?

    No idea dunno

    GarryB wrote:
    They are mentioned in a book from 2004 that also mentions the Ugroza upgrades for S-5, S-8, and S-13 rockets, so perhaps they are more of a could do rather than already available.

    If you ask me, it was just some fan song of the Russian MIC in the sad 90s. They used to present things never seriously considered otherwise.
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    Post  franco Sun Dec 17, 2023 12:28 pm

    Over the past 24 hours, Russian air defense systems shot down two Ukrainian MiG-29 fighters, a Su-25 attack aircraft, 91 drones and other targets, they reported on Sunday in the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

    "Air defense systems shot down two MiG-29 and one Su-25 aircraft of the Air Force of Ukraine in the areas of Elizavetovka settlements within 24 hours. a Mykolaiv region, Druzhkovka and Dobropolye of the Donetsk People's Republic. “Two HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems and a US-made JDAM guided bomb were also intercepted,” the report said.

    In addition, during the day, Russian air defense shot down 91 Ukrainian drones in DPR,LPR, Kharkov, Kherson and Zaporozhye region.


    https://ria-ru.translate.goog/20231217/pvo-1916306409.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:27 pm

    A bit more on this event.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:33 pm

    Got camo netting but it seems that its well prepared dugout was below groundwater level. Oops. At least the engine started but maybe it got winched out. That's 2S1, Soviet 122mm SPG?

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 17, 2023 1:39 pm

    Pretty much normal stupidity level



    Maybe he was here?

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