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    Post  Isos Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:27 pm

    Those su-24 spend more time on the ground than in the air. Locate them with satelittes and attack them with kinzhals.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:48 pm

    So, so, you were talking about a Lancet hitting MiG-29, huh?

    let me guess it was Lancet but Izdelye 54 not 53. As seen on TV , at least Russia 1 Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:49 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Lasted for some 5+ years, but they obviously dug deeper.
    We need a bigger missiles.


    Sarmat?



    ALAMO wrote:
    Yet they still lie about that, because if they did any investigation, it is obvious clear that it was not a Buk system missile, but HARM.
    The registered explosion patterns, fragments size, and the picture of the missile reflecting in the roof of the parked cars leave no doubts about that.
    But Murican Wunderwaffe does not fail!


    but they cannot let people to associate US wunderwaffle with death of civilians. (Iraq/Libya doenst count lol1 lol1 lol1 )
    Tht's why it had to be something Soviet origin.


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    Post  Arrow Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:51 pm

    https://lostarmour.info/news/news_23_09_20_vgtrk_lancet_lostarmour

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:50 am

    higurashihougi wrote:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/09/19/ukraine-germany-leopard-tanks-rejection-russia-war/

    Kyiv rejected a delivery of Leopard tanks from Germany after discovering that they were defective.  ...

    They should have rejected them for being Leopard 1s pale



    higurashihougi wrote:...The German-made, 1980s-vintage Leopard 1A5 with its precise day-night optics and stabilized 105-millimeter main gun is an excellent long-range shooter—and highly mobile. pwnd

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    Post  Backman Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:50 am

    This calls for more intensive Combat Air Patrol over Black Sea, particularly with Su-35 or MiG-31's.

    They were flying under 1000 feet off the ground. These are suicide missions. Sending su 35's after them isn't the answer. A plane flying that low could be taken out with manpads, Tor or a Pantsir.

    This is exactly what they are going to use F-16's for.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:12 am

    Another major drone attack on Crimea tonight

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    Rybar writes that the drone attack being carried out by the Ukrainian Armed Forces is similar to an attempt to overload the peninsula’s air defense with a large number of drones. If the assumptions turn out to be correct, then this will be one of the most massive raids of all time. Moreover, after the UAV attack, attempts to strike with other weapons, including cruise missiles, are quite possible. And the drone raid is preparation for it.

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    ‼💥Massive attack on Crimea: the Russian army repels attacks from dozens of targets.
    Eyewitnesses from different areas report gunfire, powerful explosions and a large number of enemy drones.
    Rumble in Saki, Evpatoria, Sevastopol.
    http://t.me/RVvoenkor

    Judging by the intensity of air defense work in different parts of Crimea, including Yevpatoria, Sevastopol, Novofedorovka, Ukrainian formations are conducting one of the mass drone raids. Units of the 31st Air Force and Air Defense Division, together with the Black Sea Fleet, repulse the attack.

    Previously, Russian air defense units in the west and center of Crimea, as well as in Sevastopol, worked “excellently”. No hits were recorded, all targets were successfully destroyed. However, there is information about a possible second wave of drones, apparently from the Kherson and Dnepropetrovsk regions.

    Colleagues from the Triangle report another wave of drones approaching Dzhankoy. Air defense also worked west of Sevastopol, and several more targets are approaching the western regions of Crimea.

    The drone attack carried out by the Ukrainian Armed Forces is similar to an attempt to overload the peninsula’s air defense with a large number of drones. If the assumptions turn out to be correct, then this will be one of the most massive raids of all time. Moreover, after an attack by a UAV, attempts to strike with other weapons, including cruise missiles, are quite possible. And the drone raid is preparation for it.

    Over the last 15 minutes, seven drones were shot down over Yevpatoriya, Mikhailovka and Ivanovka by Pantsir-S1 air defense missile systems and rifle detachments. Judging by the geography of the raids, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are trying to hit the airfield near Novofedorovka. At least three more UAVs were destroyed by units of the 31st Air Force and Air Defense Division near Sevastopol.

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    Post  Backman Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:44 am

    Once again, these are American and British attacks on Russia's Black sea fleet. If Ukraine was left to its own devices, none of this would be happening.  dunno

    These super secret attacks on underground SBU centers doesn't cut it. Govt buildings need to burn. Russia's missile attacks and air attacks have obviously been lacking in intensity if Ukr is able to assemble all of these attacks. There is no lack of missiles or launching devices. It is just a choice by the govt and their bureaucratically correct war.

    If a govt building was leveled every time Ukraine did one of these cheap shots, they would think twice about doing it again. Instead of you know... doing it with impunity because there is no consequences.

    Are there any su 57's stationed in Crimea ? That will be a target. These kinds of attacks raise moral in the Ukr military. They have real effects.

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    Post  PhSt Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:26 am

    Allegedly 11 Ukr su 24's in one place able to take off is a miss by Russia. Shouldn't be easy to hide 11 su 24s

    I dot not understand why Russian Tu-22ms, Tu-95s, kilo subs, etc are constantly under threat of NATO drones, while 11 Ukrainian Su-24s are relatively untouched in their airbases.

    I have been calling for Russia to start firebombing Ukraine for quite some time. This needs to happen NOW. Just turn the entire country into a smoldering wasteland. When everyone is Dead, then take over the land.


    Taking no such measures only emboldens NATO to cross more Russian red lines. Time for Russia to Exterminate Ukrainians and cross NATO Red lines ASAP. attack

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:41 am

    https://www.rt.com/russia/583313-ukraine-transgender-spokesperson-fired/

    The Ukrainian Territorial Defense Forces has suspended its transender American spokesperson for threatening a wave of assassinations against “Kremlin propagandists” around the world.

    Sarah Ashton-Cirillo’s dramatic threat drew the attention of US Senator JD Vance, who asked the administration of President Joe Biden to explain if it was funding this content.

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:29 am



    this number is bigger than the amount of Russian soldiers sent into this operation lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:03 am

    It has nothing to do with "west", but how some people are determined to deny obvious things, even if those bite them straight in ass.
    But whatever

    It has everything to do with the west... we bollock on about democracy and freedom of speech and when an anti Russian or anti Chinese or anti Iranian or anti North Korean dissident is put in jail we rise up and cry because Russia and China and Iran and North Korea are authoritarian hell holes, but when the shoe is on the other foot and people like Manning and Snowden and Assange reveal information about very real very serious warcrimes they end up in jail or exile.

    There were no massive protests in the west over RT and Sputnik being banned in the west at a time when the BBC and CNN and Fox News was not being blocked in Russia.

    Western countries blissfully unaware that their comfortable lives have been subsidised by cheap energy and cheap raw materials from Russia were happy to blame Russia for absolutely everything... if you want to paint the western public as victims of their evil governments then good luck with that... most people could care less about international affairs and when their governments hide the real reasons for the things they are doing that is creating real damage to the western economies which western people do care about. If they actually cared about peace and democracy and freedom of speech and person freedom they would believe others should have it to and that it was not just for them.

    Until then I think they are the problem.

    Of course you can disagree.

    After increasing its military ties with NK and Iran, why is Russia not doing the same with Venezuela and Cuba in response to Nato crossing red lines in Ukraine?

    That is what I thought initially but I don't think Russia should link this conflict and US and EU and UK escalations to its relations with such countries as Cuba and Venezuela and NK and Iran and Syria and countries around the rest of the world. Their responses need to certainly upset the west, but also be such that they could be reversed to reward a deescalation from the west in response.

    For instance if the UK had said all DU ammo was going to be withdrawn from Kiev and Ukraine then Russia could say they might not need nukes in Belarus just yet... but that would upset Luka so I am glad the UK are so dumb that they continue to supply nuclear waste to Kiev to vehicles that have probably not fired a shot yet and the result is nukes in Belarus... geez those Brits are dumb.

    Increasing ties with such countries should be separate... perhaps explain to Cuba that to maybe get the INF treaty back they could rip up the agreement the Soviet Union and the US signed over no nukes in Cuba in return for no nukes in Turkey... because the US already broke that agreement anyway.

    If Putin does not want to risk too much in Latin American countries, then at least he could start at a small scale to at least spook the Americans and display their hypocrisy with reciprocal actions.

    Putin will likely turn away from the west for everything, which means any other country is a logical substitute as long as they do what the west could not... treat Russia with respect and not try to deal from a position of superiority (imagined) and then try to get a deal where Russia is the loser and the west is the winner.

    Russia doesn't need that and there are plenty of countries interested in free and fair trade to open up and develop their economies.

    And what in detail Nicaragua and Kuba can share for the Russian struggle at the moment?

    Nothing to do with the Ukraine conflict, and everything to do with improved relations and trade for mutual benefit... the sort of thing the West never wanted.

    It might distract parts of Washington's focus away from Ukraine, even if Russia armed countries like Venezuela only at a small level or shared military technology. I remember how Western media already panicked, when a bunch of Iranian ships visited South America.

    Or it might motivate them to invade Venezuela to steal their enormous oil reserves with a coalition of the energy starved EU countries wanting to reassert their colonial dominance.

    They offer Russia the opportunity to cross the US's red lines in kind. Which would be used as a bargaining chip vs Ukraine.

    To be a bargaining chip it needs to be reversable... so if the US stops aide to Kiev Russia has to stop all relations with Cuba and Venzuela?

    They could offer Cuba an S-400. Or an Iskander fleet

    Which would annoy the US but not really help the Cuban people or make their lives any better or safer.

    Cuba is there for the taking and Russia and China are too stupid to do anything with it. Cuba is open to deals with either of them.

    Castro didn't want those nukes because he knew it pushed his country up the danger chain to where nukes would be pointed at his country. The current leadership would probably prefer someone buys their cigars and sugar and other goods and in return they can buy things from Russia and get support from Russia in a range of areas... they actually have lots of very well trained doctors...

    Your mentality is why Russia finds itself in a place that no great power, let alone one of 2 nuclear equals-should find itself in.

    The cold war is over and the west and the US are destroying themselves. Russia just needs to stay out of their way in most situations and let them get on with it.

    Allegedly 11 Ukr su 24's in one place able to take off is a miss by Russia. Shouldn't be easy to hide 11 su 24s

    They said there was 11 so they clearly didn't hide them...

    Those su-24 spend more time on the ground than in the air. Locate them with satelittes and attack them with kinzhals.

    Put car ties on them and the disappear on radar and thermals, and a tarp or tree branches makes them disappear too.

    MRAPs beware!!!

    With 70mm of armour... more like "Beware of anything better armed than MRAPs".

    They were flying under 1000 feet off the ground. These are suicide missions. Sending su 35's after them isn't the answer. A plane flying that low could be taken out with manpads, Tor or a Pantsir.

    This is exactly what they are going to use F-16's for.

    If they are flying low over the Black Sea to attack Crimea TOR and Pantsir and Verba or Igla-S would sink, unless you mean on ships.

    If a govt building was leveled every time Ukraine did one of these cheap shots, they would think twice about doing it again. Instead of you know... doing it with impunity because there is no consequences.

    IF they destroy government buildings and HQs then listening in to the enemy would become more difficult...

    Hunting down drone production and operator locations for destruction makes sense and the locations cruise missiles are stored is worth while.

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:38 am

    https://www.rt.com/news/583320-poland-stops-weapons-ukraine/

    Poland stops supplying weapons to Ukraine – PM

    We are no longer transferring weapons to Ukraine, because we are now arming Poland with more modern weapons,” Morawiecki said.


    Translation: "we have already completed our clearance sale and so you no longer have any use to us".

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:20 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Sarmat?

    He was not addressing a specified system, but in general, the speech was made on the base of all the new weapon systems he presented back in 2018.

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    higurashihougi wrote:...The German-made, 1980s-vintage Leopard 1A5 with its precise day-night optics and stabilized 105-millimeter main gun is an excellent long-range shooter—and highly mobile. pwnd

    MRAPs beware!!!


    Here, I've fixed for'ya the really funny part Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:48 am

    Exactly on the target in Rivne - the Russian Aerospace Forces hit the distribution station of the Rivne Thermal Power Plant with a direct hit

    At about half past seven in the morning in Rivne, one of the regional centers of western Ukraine, our missiles and drones worked out - there was an explosion and a fire broke out at the local thermal power station distribution station, Readovka reports. The fire has not yet been extinguished; the entire area of ​​the station, as they write in Ukrainian public pages, is in smoke. There are no preliminary injuries.

    This fall, this is the first confirmed successful testing of the Russian Aerospace Forces on an energy infrastructure facility in Ukraine. There has been a lot of talk in recent weeks about the resumption of “geranization” of Ukrainian thermal power plants on the eve of the autumn cold weather. We may be in for a second season of Vengeance Strikes, which premiered to great acclaim last October.

    Source: https://t.me/ukraina_ru/169

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:51 am

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    “The improved Msta can operate in fire attack mode and has unique tactical and technical characteristics, including mobility, high rate of fire, and the ability to fire with different types of projectiles,” the report says.

    The modernized Msta-S howitzers are equipped with an updated automated guidance and fire control system (ASUNO-M) with improved accuracy characteristics and the ability to display an electronic map of the area.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:55 am

    Two Majors for the morning of September 21, 2023

    ▪In the morning, the Russian Armed Forces launched massive missile strikes against targets in Lvov, Kiev, Ivano-Frankivsk, Rivne, Kharkov, and Khmelnitsky. Power outages were reported in some areas of the cities where explosions were heard.

    ▪On the Zaporozhye Front they report that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have reduced the intensity of attacks at Rabotino and Verbovoy compared to the previous day - the losses of the day before yesterday could have affected them. Our fighters point out the strange behavior of some enemy groups on the battlefield: perhaps the enemy command is introducing poorly trained units into battle.

    ▪In the Kherson direction, the Russian Armed Forces launched air strikes on the enemy shore by nightfall. In the Kizomys area, our troops covered with incendiary ammunition the area in which the enemy's special forces and artillery were detected.

    ▪In the Vremevsky direction there is a transfer of enemy forces, small groups of Ukrainian Armed Forces infantry are conducting reconnaissance in force. Footage from a Russian drone has appeared online: the Novodonetsky-Novomayorsky area is littered with the corpses of enemies, which no one is trying to pick up.

    ▪On the southern flank of Artemovsk (Bakhmut) there are battles near Kleshcheevka and Adreevka . Following the example of Rabotino, the enemy is trying to gain a foothold in Kleeshchevka with small groups of infantry, but in fact, the command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has been sending its soldiers here under Russian artillery fire for several days now.

    ▪Yesterday afternoon the enemy attacked Crimea with Storm Shadow missiles, trying to hit airfields, control points and air defense systems. At night, dozens of Ukrainian Armed Forces drones were destroyed while trying to strike airfields on the peninsula. Within 24 hours, enemy UAVs were shot down over the Kursk, Belgorod and Oryol regions. In the Belgorod region, due to shelling by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the village. Maksimovka civilian killed, one wounded; in Golovchino, Grayvoronsky urban district, there were no casualties. In the DPR , a woman died under Nazi fire and five civilians were injured.

    The summary was compiled by: Two majors

    #source

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:02 am

    Backman wrote:Once again, these are American and British attacks on Russia's Black sea fleet. If Ukraine was left to its own devices, none of this would be happening.  dunno

    These super secret attacks on underground SBU centers doesn't cut it. Govt buildings need to burn. Russia's missile attacks and air attacks have obviously been lacking in intensity if Ukr is able to assemble all of these attacks. There is no lack of missiles or launching devices. It is just a choice by the govt and their bureaucratically correct war.

    If a govt building was leveled every time Ukraine did one of these cheap shots, they would think twice about doing it again. Instead of you know... doing it with impunity because there is no consequences.

    Are there any su 57's stationed in Crimea ? That will be a target. These kinds of attacks raise moral in the Ukr military. They have real effects.

    Why don't you volunteer and show how it's done?

    That would be a better use of both your time and ours with than these constant complaints, and calls to destroy government buildings. Those government buildings are not full of combatants, just so you understand. And the officials who do actually make the key decisions don't sit in such buildings, and you don't necessarily want to take them out anyway considering the poor decisions that they've been making. There's the risk that they'll be replaced by somebody competent.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:17 am

    Whining cost nothing.

    And in the meantime, this is what was left of Central Hotel in Cherkassy, where Ukrowehrmacht was stationing ...

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    Post  Mir Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:35 am

    Backman wrote:
    This calls for more intensive Combat Air Patrol over Black Sea, particularly with Su-35 or MiG-31's.

    They were flying under 1000 feet off the ground. These are suicide missions. Sending su 35's after them isn't the answer. A plane flying that low could be taken out with manpads, Tor or a Pantsir.  

    This is exactly what they are going to use F-16's for.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they use diversion tactics. Taking off fully armed at very low level from inside a NATzo country and then flying to an empty 404 airbase and pretend to take off from there. Hosting and operating 11+ Su-24's from a known Ukie airbase doesn't make sense to me.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:47 am

    The trick is, that on the satellite photos of some of the Ukro bases, it is obviously clear that they are still keeping the planes in open.
    I was checking one of them this week, Google Maps shows aerial photos that are obviously made when the war was already well advanced.
    At one of the bases - forgot which one honestly - I counted 40 (FORTY!) Su-24 just standing.
    It was the same base where some MiG-29s were hit, with some of them rolled over by the blast - I am sure you will remember the case.
    You can spot those 29s destroyed on the same photos.
    My guess is, that Russkie know those planes to be in non flyable condition, so won't waste missiles on them.
    It is a different story with MiG-29, those can be repaired in several locations in Europe. Poland, Czech and Bulgaria.
    Su-24 was never used by any of the WarPac countries, so none of the aircraft repair plants has the skills to do it.

    Edit : seems like Herr Schulz get even less attention than Cocainsky...

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    ... and that's all that's left of warehouses in Kiev...

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:17 am

    The writing is on the wall. Watch for the rats leaving the sinking ship. I would suggest that Ukraine's diplomatic corps would be a favoured route.

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    So a few news items that came out today:
    - US denies ATACMS missiles to Ukraine
    - US hands over a paltry $325M aid package to Zelensky during his visit to the US
    - Poland declares an end to military support for Ukraine
    - Duda compares Ukraine to a desperate "drowning man"

    There's a saying: "Victory has many fathers, but defeat is an orphan." Given the manifest inability of the Ukrainian military to bring about anything resembling a victory despite enormous support from the West, NATO is now rapidly beginning to look to itself. This also sets the stage for what I expect will be a key postwar cope - "NATO wasn't defeated by Russia, Ukraine was. NATO remains strong and on guard in Eastern Europe."

    Of course it remains to be seen whether Russia intends to allow what is now an implacably hostile NATO to reconstitute itself on its western borders when it is increasingly in a position to do something about the matter. The Russians have been quite clear that they view the entirety of post-Cold War NATO expansion as a threat and that they would like to see the alliance returned to its pre-1997 membership. This is, however, an analysis for another day.

    This all ties in directly to my post from yesterday about the protracted phase of the war coming to an end. Ukraine is wholly dependent for its war effort on exactly the kind of monetary and military aid that is now starting to taper off.

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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:32 am

    higurashihougi wrote:https://www.rt.com/news/583320-poland-stops-weapons-ukraine/

    Poland stops supplying weapons to Ukraine – PM

    We are no longer transferring weapons to Ukraine, because we are now arming Poland with more modern weapons,” Morawiecki said.


    Translation: "we have already completed our clearance sale and so you no longer have any use to us".

    It sounds like really good news, if it means that Poland will contribute less to this dangerous war, but it would be bad news, if Poland is breaking up with Ukraine with the intention to fight Russia itself and occupy West-Ukraine in the near future.

    Edit : seems like Herr Schulz get even less attention than Cocainsky...

    Maybe because Zelensky is a higher ranking stooge of the US empire than Scholz. Nobody cares about a secondary or tertiary vassal repeating the talking points of his master.

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    Post  Werewolf Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:40 am

    Poland is breaking up with Ukraine with the intention to fight Russia itself and occupy West-Ukraine in the near future.


    That was the US's plan from the start. PONOS countries being groomed to be used as a meatshield against Russia. Why have vassals for war if you don't plan to fill the first rows with them?

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