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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:33 am



    We sanction you to destroy your economy and send weapons and ammo and money to your enemies to hurt your country and kill your soldiers... but keep selling Uranium to us...

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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:15 pm



    1,200 items banned for export to Europe and growing...


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    Post  Arrow Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:26 pm

    We sanction you to destroy your economy and send weapons and ammo and money to your enemies to hurt your country and kill your soldiers... but keep selling Uranium to us... kvs and Sprut-B like this post wrote:

    Why Russia is selling Uranium to one of its most hostile countries?

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    Post  Begome Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:34 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    Why Russia is selling Uranium to one of its most hostile countries?
    Probably because there's enough of it on the market apart from Russia so that Russia sanctioning the US wouldn't actually cut them off, but I agree that sanctions may make sense nonetheless for symbolic reasons.
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    Post  Arrow Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:37 pm

    f it's Uranium 235, they shouldn't sell it to the US. It is a valuable raw material as nuclear fuel and for nuclear weapons should they need to increase their nuclear arsenal.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:39 pm

    Germanistan now talking about repairing Nord Stream..

    But who says Russia will sell them gas, even if they do repair it, and even if the 'Ukrainians' don't simply blow it up again?

    Germany is a hostile country that is participating in a war against Russia in every way but with its own official army.

    It makes no sense to bail out their sinking industrial economy and sell them anything they need until they sue for terms.
    Russia looses some money too by selling that gas to intermediaries instead of directly; but Germany and the EU come off worse.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Aug 31, 2023 12:45 pm

    ermany is a hostile country that is participating in a war against Russia in every way but with its own official army. wrote:

    For Putin, this will not be a problem. He does business with Turkey which is an enemy country, sells Uranium to the US which is waging a war against Russia like Germany, etc.

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:15 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Germanistan now talking about repairing Nord Stream..

    But who says Russia will sell them gas, even if they do repair it, and even if the 'Ukrainians' don't simply blow it up again?

    Germany is a hostile country that is participating in a war against Russia in every way but with its own official army.

    It makes no sense to bail out their sinking industrial economy and sell them anything they need until they sue for terms.
    Russia looses some money too by selling that gas to intermediaries instead of directly; but Germany and the EU come off worse.
    Russia will sell them, if there's opportunity to sell and that would be the right choice. As for the price, nobody is making you sell anything you think is underpriced. It was an agreement agreed upon by both sides. 
    In business and politics cynical component is always very pronounced. It's just the way world works. 
    Russia has a need for revenues due to heightened investment in own economy. It would be foolish not to do it. Especially, considering that they don't have viable alternatives for the time being.


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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:23 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Germanistan now talking about repairing Nord Stream..

    Not Germany but Kretschmer Laughing
    Saxony is the stronghold of AfD, that tells much.

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    Post  Begome Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:30 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Saxony is the stronghold of AfD, that tells much.
    Yes, and it's <10% of German territory and <10% of the German population, so barely relevant at all.

    Should this somehow become reality, however, I hope they don't go by the old contracts, though...the price should include the obvious risk that the pipes will be blown up again once repaired, which includes the costs of building alternative pipelines, such as PoS II etc. so Russia can sell to China when the Germans are having another tantrum or their "allies" wreck more infrastructure.

    Frankly, it should also include the cost of the extra military spending for the extra demilitarization necessary in the окраина, oh I mean borderlands, oh I mean Pukraine, which can fight a little longer due to German weapons deliveries, and let's not forget about the economic damage sustained through the sanctions, since without Russian resources Germany would never have become powerful enough to be cocky enough to give the finger to Russia in this way. That would be a real assessment of an actually fair price...though I suspect at that point the gas may be more expensive than they can afford Razz

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 31, 2023 2:42 pm

    What is more important is a fact, that this kind of voices started to float again.
    Considering the historical perspective, the very first reactions in Europe were quite pragmatic.
    It is a nicely put shit-their-pants perspective.
    Honestly, I can't remember a single event that turned Euro politics into a slipway of madness.
    It was a steadily applied dose of daily idiocy that brought us to this point.
    And i was Brusles driven.
    So I guess that the very first, yet high-ranked voices of reason are a good sign.

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    Post  Begome Thu Aug 31, 2023 3:28 pm

    Kretschmer has been an odd egg for many years and he is quite isolated in the CDU at the federal level, so this is not a new development; in fact, the number of ostensibly "pro-Russian" politicians (and he is of course not pro-Russian at all) in positions of actual power and influence has decreased rather than increased over the last 15 years. The main positive development over the last 15 years in Europe is the increasing popularity of so-called populist, Eurosceptic parties, many of whom are critical also of the EU's Ukraine policy; however, as we see e.g. in Italy with Meloni the more popular ones are just using populist rhetoric to gain power but then execute the same degenerate program as the mainstream commands, while most of the rest are purely opposition parties.

    So I don't think the "shit-your-pants-moment" has come for Western elites yet, not even close. They have succeeded in completely subverting academia, the media and even the justice system as well as much of the bureaucracy and have placed a huge number of useless, incompetent, feminist and otherwise spiritually dead zombies, who's only skill, if any, is backstabbing potential competitors and screaming "oppression!", in positions of power and influence. Those people are quite comfortable in their position and have no morality. Actually changing things would require purging them, which, however, is almost impossible without some kind of revolution, as, e.g. in Germany, those people have contracts with the state that can't even be terminated. And due to rampant materialistic atheism and the implied nihilism much of the population goes along with it, watching "hypno-toad" (mainstream propaganda) in the evenings to self-validate how "virtuous" they are in their complete, servile submission to a bunch of godless pederasts.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 31, 2023 3:35 pm

    In the name of democracy, abdone the voting!

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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 01, 2023 7:09 am

    Why Russia is selling Uranium to one of its most hostile countries?

    It earns them good money and to cut them off from what they need would just lead to them finding alternative sources.

    Probably because there's enough of it on the market apart from Russia so that Russia sanctioning the US wouldn't actually cut them off, but I agree that sanctions may make sense nonetheless for symbolic reasons.

    First of all people in Europe freezing because the price of gas went up five times what they used to pay knowing the US still pays for Putins war buying Uranium from Russia is amusing.

    Second when energy supplies start to really bite in a cold winter would be a better time to cut them off... especially when France can't help them out with cheap Uranium from Niger...

    Russia looses some money too by selling that gas to intermediaries instead of directly; but Germany and the EU come off worse.

    Those discounts were only ever temporary for third parties to set up the infrastructure to get Russian energy and process it to make it neutral and then sell it on to the west. When the discounts end the price goes up down the line and Europe will pay a lot more for the Russian energy it was getting directly because now it pays the middle men... the west understands that because they used to be the middleman for cheap Russian energy to the world where they made money for nothing.

    For Putin, this will not be a problem. He does business with Turkey which is an enemy country, sells Uranium to the US which is waging a war against Russia like Germany, etc.

    I don't think Russia is every going back to the way things were with Europe... most of what they needed Europe for before they are making themselves or get from somewhere else. Turkey is not part of the sanctions and buys lots of Russian products that used to go to the west so they have been very helpful even if they appear to be fence sitting.

    The are far more useful as an ally than as an enemy.... can't really say the same about Germany and the rest of Europe who were happy to bleed Russia of resources and live high on the profits.

    Russia will sell them, if there's opportunity to sell and that would be the right choice.

    After investing in alternative customers I would think Russia probably will find it does not have the capacity to meet the needs of Germany moving forward... certainly not at anything like the price the gas used to be charged at.

    That would be a real assessment of an actually fair price...though I suspect at that point the gas may be more expensive than they can afford

    They have destroyed their own economy trying to destroy Russias economy... there is no reason for Russia to take pity on them.

    Maybe they should offer those pro Russian germans an enclave somewhere nice in Russia with plenty of electrical and gas energy supply that is close to rail links to Asia and Europe and the Middle East and ask them if they want work in sophisticated engineering roles... only two genders allowed...

    in fact, the number of ostensibly "pro-Russian" politicians (and he is of course not pro-Russian at all) in positions of actual power and influence has decreased rather than increased over the last 15 years.

    It is hilarious isn't it... if you don't tow the party line and follow the ideology you are a commie or putins puppet or some such nonsense because the alternative is to have a proper open sensible discussion and their bullshit falls to bits if you look at it closely so they can't afford a real debate.

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Sep 05, 2023 2:58 pm

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    https://www.rt.com/news/582396-estonia-kallas-parliament-hearing/

    Baltic PM decries ‘witch hunt’ over Russia scandal

    The Estonian president has suggested that Kaja Kallas should have resigned over the scandal, while lawmakers have demanded her financial records


    A vocal critic of Moscow, Kallas has faced intense criticism since it was revealed last month that her husband, Arvo Hallik, had a 25% stake in a logistics company that provides services in Russia.

    “Personally, I would have liked it if the prime minister had resigned at the beginning of the series of events that has made her the focus of the crisis,” Estonian President Karis, whose office is largely ceremonial, said on Monday after Kallas appeared before a parliamentary committee.

    “It would have spared her, her loved ones, the effectiveness of the government, and the credibility of messages coming out of Estonia,” he added.

    Kallas has denied any wrongdoing and has rejected calls to leave office. Hearings conducted by the Anti-Corruption Select Committee, whose members came out of parliamentary recess to question the prime minister, focused on whether she may have been compromised through her husband’s business interests.

    The prime minister reported loans of €372,000 ($400,000) to Hallik’s consultancy firm in the past two years. MPs demanded to know where the money had come from and whether income generated by the loans had originated in Russia.

    Kallas claimed that the money had come from savings she had built up before her political career, when her income as a lawyer in the private sector was significantly higher than her current salary.

    She insisted that she had not been aware of the details of her husband’s business before the media reports emerged, and claimed that critics were mischaracterizing it as “Russian.” Kallas added that the services were provided to an Estonian firm that is winding down its operations in Russia.

    At the request of lawmakers, Kallas pledged to share details of the loans with the committee, but hit out at her critics.

    “The witch hunt for me, unleashed by the opposition regarding the activities of my husband’s business partner, has exceeded all tolerable limits,” the prime minister declared.

    Discussing the public outcry in an interview with broadcaster ERR last week, Kallas suggested that in Estonia “moral standards are much higher than in most countries.”

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Sep 05, 2023 3:17 pm

    The witch-hunt for Russian money
    The witch-hunt for connections to Russia
    The witch-hunt for anything Russian

    Main thing is to destroy your opponents while raising yourself outside the purview of any suspicion.

    Let them all gorge and feast on each other in their race to the bottom.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:56 am

    The witch-hunt for Russian money
    The witch-hunt for connections to Russia
    The witch-hunt for anything Russian

    All these witch hunts and Hillary Clinton remains free and no one is digging up Madeline Allbright... terrible shame... what a waste of a good witch hunt...


    Main thing is to destroy your opponents while raising yourself outside the purview of any suspicion.

    Let them all gorge and feast on each other in their race to the bottom.

    And that is at the centre of this... most of the Anti Russia BS has nothing to do with Russia and is just an opportunity to remove competition for your company.

    The US did it so they could sell expensive gas to Europe that would have no chance if much cheaper more convenient piped gas was available from Russia, and this persons husband obviously continued to make good money no doubt while other businessmen probably found their access to trade with Russia suddenly cut off.

    Of course the obvious problem is that those who get cut off get a bit upset to find a select few of their rivals are not cut off and are likely making easy money without competition.

    An even bigger pill to swallow at the current tough economic times in Europe when a steady income would be a good thing.

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    Post  Scorpius Wed Sep 06, 2023 11:21 am

    flamming_python wrote:Germanistan now talking about repairing Nord Stream..

    But who says Russia will sell them gas, even if they do repair it, and even if the 'Ukrainians' don't simply blow it up again?

    Germany is a hostile country that is participating in a war against Russia in every way but with its own official army.

    It makes no sense to bail out their sinking industrial economy and sell them anything they need until they sue for terms.
    Russia looses some money too by selling that gas to intermediaries instead of directly; but Germany and the EU come off worse.

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    Guys, I don't quite understand why you persistently don't see the absolutely easiest way out of this situation?

    For a friendly German business, it is necessary to create favorable conditions for moving to Russia. Is your business unprofitable in Germany because of expensive energy? Welcome to Russia - we will sell you all the necessary energy at prices with a minimum margin if you move your production to our territory!

    This solves three problems at once:
    - there is no need to maintain the infrastructure of the "northern streams"
    - deindustrialization of Germany
    - support of German elites friendly to Russia.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Sep 06, 2023 12:55 pm

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    Remember the cap on the price of Russian oil was another game changer to crush Moscow economically?

    Well the G7 has shelved regular reviews of the Russian oil price cap scheme.

    Precisely because it doesn't work.

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Sep 06, 2023 8:25 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    Guys, I don't quite understand why you persistently don't see the absolutely easiest way out of this situation?

    For a friendly German business, it is necessary to create favorable conditions for moving to Russia. Is your business unprofitable in Germany because of expensive energy? Welcome to Russia - we will sell you all the necessary energy at prices with a minimum margin if you move your production to our territory!

    This solves three problems at once:
    - there is no need to maintain the infrastructure of the "northern streams"
    - deindustrialization of Germany
    - support of German elites friendly to Russia.

    Considering the state of Russian SOE downstream development and level of the whole petrochemical/chemical sector that would be a blessing in disguise for Russia, but i don't see it happening.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 07, 2023 5:21 am


    For a friendly German business, it is necessary to create favorable conditions for moving to Russia. Is your business unprofitable in Germany because of expensive energy? Welcome to Russia - we will sell you all the necessary energy at prices with a minimum margin if you move your production to our territory!

    Except German business was only friendly because of the energy discounts they got from Russia made them more profitable and actually viable.

    We can see when cheap energy is taken away they talk of shifting elsewhere... including to the west.

    These are not the people you want to help, you should be celebrating the removal of this competition from the market.

    - support of German elites friendly to Russia

    These are men who got rich by abusing Russia like a good colonial white country would (ie UK, US, Belgium, and Obviously France).

    No need to reward these pricks who never lifted a finger to help Russia when it was being stitched up like a wedding dress.

    Look at which German companies will have to move and find the Russian equivalent and boost their funding to fill the market before these guys can get back to producing while there is a gap.

    Attracting new blood is not bad per say, but these guys likely would end up sucking money out of the Russian economy to prop up Germany.

    Considering the state of Russian SOE downstream development and level of the whole petrochemical/chemical sector that would be a blessing in disguise for Russia, but i don't see it happening.

    Or would it be creating their own Trojan horse for themselves.

    That guy that created that wonderful diesel engine for the new Russian Yak-152 trainer insisted it be made in Germany... well that got him 5 years in jail... hope he is happy... perhaps others should learn his lesson.

    Europe hates Russia and will do anything it can to undermine Russia...

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    Post  kvs Thu Sep 07, 2023 2:14 pm

    Germany showed its true colours to Russia too many times. The behaviour exhibited in the last year and half is similar to what Russians experienced in
    Germany at the start of WWI. Considering Germany is not being subjected to war by Russia, this is grotesque and obscene. The Germans were key in
    the breakup of Yugoslavia and supported their Croats proxies like they did during WWII. Now they are supporting yet more nazi swine in Ukria whose
    open agenda was the cultural and physical genocide of ethnic Russians in the stitch job known as Ukraine. The ethnic demonization was getting to the
    Rwanda levels in 2014 and got worse since. The Russian SMO is a right to protect mission since the Kiev regime, backed by Germany and the rest
    of NATzO, was planning the final solution to the "separatist" problem. That is why it pulled up over 100,000 troops to the line of contact at the beginning
    of 2022.

    Germany has been arming the Kiev regime and frothing hate and historical revisionism at Russia. Germany can go and get f*cked.

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    Post  ludovicense Thu Sep 07, 2023 4:08 pm

    kvs wrote:Germany showed its true colours to Russia too many times.   The behaviour exhibited in the last year and half is similar to what Russians experienced in
    Germany at the start of WWI.    Considering Germany is not being subjected to war by Russia, this is grotesque and obscene.    The Germans were key in
    the breakup of Yugoslavia and supported their Croats proxies like they did during WWII.   Now they are supporting yet more nazi swine in Ukria whose
    open agenda was the cultural and physical genocide of ethnic Russians in the stitch job known as Ukraine.    The ethnic demonization was getting to the
    Rwanda levels in 2014 and got worse since.   The Russian SMO is a right to protect mission since the Kiev regime, backed by Germany and the rest
    of NATzO, was planning the final solution to the "separatist" problem.   That is why it pulled up over 100,000 troops to the line of contact at the beginning
    of 2022.  

    Germany has been arming the Kiev regime and frothing hate and historical revisionism at Russia.   Germany can go and get f*cked.


    I, here from the global south, wonder if this hatred is disseminated in the German population or is it artificially externalized by the globalist elite that controls and subjects Europe to the Russophobic insanity.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:46 pm

    ludovicense wrote:I, here from the global south, wonder if this hatred is disseminated in the German population or is it artificially externalized by the globalist elite that controls and subjects Europe to the Russophobic insanity.

    I think it's disseminated internally.

    Reminds me of what a German told a Russian girl I know when the war broke out - that the Russians are the 'Nazis' this time around.


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