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    Post  mnztr Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:47 pm

    I was shocked to her that Russia is still allowing the #@^$723$76 Brits to fish in the Barents sea and only now considering terminating the agreement. Considering the actions of the UK they should be sinking or seizing any British ship that enters their waters. Sometimes Russia is so soft, like a nice fuzzy bearskin rug by the fire. 🤣
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    Post  Isos Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:58 pm

    mnztr wrote:I was shocked to her that Russia is still allowing the #@^$723$76 Brits to fish in the Barents sea and only now considering terminating the agreement. Considering the actions of the UK they should be sinking or seizing any British ship that enters their waters. Sometimes Russia is so soft, like a nice fuzzy bearskin rug by the fire. 🤣

    That's money talk... same as when west doesn't pit sanctions on russian nuclear energy, qrussia won't put sanction on what brings money.
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    Post  mnztr Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:41 pm

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    mnztr wrote:I was shocked to her that Russia is still allowing the #@^$723$76 Brits to fish in the Barents sea and only now considering terminating the agreement. Considering the actions of the UK they should be sinking or seizing any British ship that enters their waters. Sometimes Russia is so soft, like a nice fuzzy bearskin rug by the fire. 🤣

    That's money talk... same as when west doesn't pit sanctions on russian nuclear energy, qrussia won't put sanction on what brings money.

    Do they pay Russia for the fish? they claim no ships fish there anyway. Seems fishy.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jan 19, 2024 7:23 pm

    What have the fish in the Barents got to do with Ukraine and the SMO?

    I put a post on this subject in the correct place where many of the questions here were answered a couple of hours earlier than mnztr posted here.

    In answer to his question as why Russia still allowed it there is the ITS A F'ing LEGAL AGREEMENT which Russia deals with properly. By the tone of your question, do you keep agreements?

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t8953p250-russia-and-economic-war-by-the-west-3#450311

    Garry, can you please delete these posts?

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    Post  mnztr Fri Jan 19, 2024 9:45 pm

    JohninMK wrote:What have the fish in the Barents got to do with Ukraine and the SMO?

    I put a post on this subject in the correct place where many of the questions here were answered a couple of hours earlier than mnztr posted here.

    In answer to his question as why Russia still allowed it there is the ITS A F'ing LEGAL AGREEMENT which Russia deals with properly. By the tone of your question, do you keep agreements?

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t8953p250-russia-and-economic-war-by-the-west-3#450311

    Garry, can you please delete these posts?

    Aren't central bank deposits not covered by legal agreements? Aren't gas supply and Russian property covered by legal agreements? Even if Russia keeps its agreements the west claims they break them, while the west has zero respect for agreements. British ships in Russian waters represent a secruity risk in these times. Do you not get this?

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jan 19, 2024 11:43 pm

    mnztr wrote:British ships in Russian waters represent a secruity risk in these times. Do you not get this?

    This may be a rash assumption, but if British trawlers have been fishing in the Barents since 1956, nearly 70 years, presumably outside the 12 mile limit and inside the 200 mile limits, that they and the Russians have a pretty good understanding of each other. Not just now but they have always been a security risk as the Russians know that, like their own, British trawlers may carry spy gear and accidents can happen as per the MV Gaul in 1974 and no doubt work round it.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 20, 2024 1:52 am

    But why would they do that when the UK has only ever been nice to Russia? clown

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 20, 2024 4:07 am

    I was shocked to her that Russia is still allowing the #@^$723$76 Brits to fish in the Barents sea and only now considering terminating the agreement. Considering the actions of the UK they should be sinking or seizing any British ship that enters their waters. Sometimes Russia is so soft, like a nice fuzzy bearskin rug by the fire.

    The thing is that those British fishing boats don't sail all the way back to the UK to get their catch processed, they deliver it to Russian processing facilities in Russia, so banning the UK fishing fleet from fishing there would hurt those British fishing boat owners, but would also leave a huge gap for the local fishermen to try to fill, which means fish processing factories in Russia would suffer.

    Waiting till now was no doubt planned to make enough Russian fishing capacity to take over the areas being fished by the British so the only losers will be the owners of the British fishing boats.

    Sanctions 101.

    That's money talk... same as when west doesn't pit sanctions on russian nuclear energy, qrussia won't put sanction on what brings money.

    When their own fishing fleets are catching the fish I rather suspect significantly more money will go into the Russian economy than was the case when the British fishing companies were working those waters.


    Do they pay Russia for the fish? they claim no ships fish there anyway. Seems fishy.

    The first article I saw suggests British ships fish there and take their catch to nearby Russian processing factories rather than sailing all the way back to the UK, so it wont effect the UK fish factories, but the Russian fish factories will likely save a lot of money and also be able to pay in rubles.

    If it is a 5 year auto renewing contract then if it started in 1956 then the last contract renewal would have been 2021 and the next 2026, but I rather suspect the UK signing agreements with Kiev was probably something that made the look at ties and agreements with the UK they could suspend without damaging themselves more than the UK.

    I suspect a few fishing boat owners will be annoyed because I would guess fishing grounds are not given or taken easily and having to find new places to fish that could allow them to catch the same fish species is rather unlikely so they will probably have to find new markets.

    I also suspect local fishing industry orgs in Russia will suspend cooperation with the British fishing fleet too.

    This is a bit like German farmers losing their diesel fuel subsidy.

    Your government will blame Putin but really you only have your own government to blame for this.

    The west is separating itself from Russia and Russia is taking steps to complete that process.
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    Post  lancelot Sat Jan 20, 2024 2:10 pm

    The UK was banning Russian vessels from fishing in UK waters. It is surprising that Russia did not stop the UK from fishing in the Barents Sea sooner.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2023-02-19/uk-attempts-to-ban-russians-from-legally-fishing-in-british-waters

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:38 am

    That is from February 2023 so it probably only took them a year to ban the Russian fishing boats... but of course if that took effect those boats could then shift to fishing where the British ships were fishing to continue operating and instead of landing their haul in western ports they can land their catch in Russian ports from Russian waters...

    Love the contrast of the articles... the first article is that Russia is stealing money from UK fishermen, while this article is horrified that the Russians still have access to the equipment in our gym after they broke our rules...

    I am sure it will all work out in the end... there are new German parties growing in popularity because they are not hard core anti Russian and realise that business has nothing to do with friendships and relationships. The western saying is don't sht where you eat...

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:17 am

    Novatek's gas terminal near St. Petersburg is on fire after a drone attack.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:55 am

    Yeah, cause that was Russias secret weapon to winning this conflict... but lets wait to see what actually happened...

    They are opening pandoras box. If they want to attack such targets do they understand the gas storage sites in Ukraine would be very easy to hit with real missiles... you can't camouflage or disguise them... and many are filled with gas for Europe... to expand their capacity for the winter...

    Maybe they want the Russias to hit that... I am sure the Russians will work it out and strike back in a suitable way to make them suffer more than they were already suffering.


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    Post  owais.usmani Mon Jan 22, 2024 5:34 pm

    https://theedgemalaysia.com/node/698082

    West stands to lose at least US$288 bil in assets if Russian assets seized — RIA


    (Jan 21): Russia's state RIA news agency said on Sunday that it had calculated that the West stood to lose assets and investments worth at least US$288 billion if it confiscated frozen Russian assets to help rebuild Ukraine and Moscow then retaliated.

    After Russian President Vladimir Putin sent forces into Ukraine in February 2022, the US and its allies prohibited transactions with Russia's central bank and finance ministry, blocking around US$300 billion of sovereign Russian assets in the West.

    US and British officials have worked in recent months to jumpstart efforts to confiscate Russian assets immobilised in Belgium and other European cities, in order to help reconstruction in Ukraine, parts of which lie in ruins.

    They hope Group of Seven leaders will agree to issue a stronger statement of intent when they meet in late February, around the second anniversary of Moscow's invasion of Ukraine, three sources told Reuters on Dec 28.

    Russia has accused Washington of trying to strong-arm countries in Europe, where most of the Russian assets are, into signing up to similar measures, and the Kremlin has said that Moscow has a list of US, European and other assets that would be confiscated if Western countries press ahead.

    RIA cited data which it said showed that direct investment by the European Union, the G7 nations, Australia and Switzerland in the Russian economy at the end of 2022 totalled US$288 billion.

    It said EU nations held US$223.3 billion of the assets, of which US$98.3 billion was formally held by Cyprus, US$50.1 billion by the Netherlands and US$17.3 billion by Germany.

    It said the top five European investors in the Russian economy also included France, with assets and investments worth US$16.6 billion; and Italy with US$12.9 billion.

    Among the G7 countries, it named Britain as one of the largest investors, citing data at the end of 2021, which showed British assets in Russia were worth about US$18.9 billion.

    It said the United States had US$9.6 billion worth of Russian assets at the end of 2022, Japan US$4.6 billion and Canada US$2.9 billion.

    Switzerland and Norway, which RIA said usually signed up to anti-Russian measures, had US$28.5 billion and US$139 million respectively at the end of 2022, it said, while data showed Australia had US$683 million invested at the end of last year.

    Reuters could not verify the data cited by RIA.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:17 am

    I thought this best fit here:



    So the houthies have hit a UK ship carrying Russian chemicals being sold at below the western cap, which means it was probably insured in London by British companies...

    This will be a blow, that ship and the cargo wont be cheap...

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    Post  owais.usmani Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:21 pm

    https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/US-Sanctions-Strand-10-Million-Barrels-of-Russian-Crude-For-Weeks.html

    U.S. Sanctions Strand 10 Million Barrels of Russian Crude For Weeks


    About 10 million barrels of Russian crude oil have been stranded off the coast of South Korea thanks to U.S. sanctions, traders and shipping data told Reuters on Friday.

    The 10 million barrels, carried by 14 tankers, are of the Sokol variety from Sakhalin-1 and remain unsold due to Western sanctions. That amount represents about 45 days' worth of Sakhalin-1 production at its average rate of 220,000 barrels per day.
    The vessels—including 3 VLCCs—carrying the Russian crude oil have been stranded near the port of Yosu in South Korea for weeks after the United States sanctioned multiple vessels and companies that were transporting the Sokol grade.

    Reuters sources and shipping data courtesy of Kpler and LSEG indicate that the VLCCs, carrying 3.2 million barrels, have been acting like floating storage.

    At least some of the Sokol crude oil was destined for Indian Oil Corp. The delays in delivery caused by payment problems have caused Indian Oil Corp to search for crude from elsewhere—mainly from its own storage and the Middle East.

    The United States initiated sanctions and a price cap on Russian crude oil transiting by water more than a year ago. The intent was not to disrupt the flow of oil, but to restrict revenues to Russia, who would otherwise use crude oil money to fund its military operations in Ukraine. The Biden Administration has insisted that its sanctions and G7 price cap have been effective, despite the accusations from some that they have been largely ineffectual.
    The Kyiv School of Economics estimated in December that Moscow would bring in $178 billion from oil sales in 2023—and predicted that this figure would rise in 2024. According to the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air, the import ban and price cap have cost Russia $37 billion in export revenue. “The price cap has had an impact but has failed to live up to its potential” CREA analysts said last December.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Jan 29, 2024 8:57 pm



    Video talking about the Western brands which exited Russia and what happened to their operations in Russia after they left.

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    Post  kvs Wed Feb 07, 2024 1:58 pm

    An epic fail of NATzO corporations when they vacated Russia is that they had to leave their plants and workers behind. The usual
    pattern in the west is that plants that are shut down are razed to the ground with all the equipment sold off and scrapped. The workforce
    is terminated, hard. But in Russia we had what we saw in Argentina in 2000. The plants remained operational under new management
    with the original "owners" told to pound sand. The departure of NATzO corporations has been impotent huffing and puffing.

    For example, the DMG Mori machine tool plant is fully operational and is expanding.

    https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.ru.ef832dac-65c37d53-8d577710-74722d776562/https/dzen.ru/a/ZUIzIHTZG2XcooL-

    The racist chauvinism in the precious NATzO west makes these freaks think that the rest of the world is a collection of primitives living
    in dung huts. That if they pull out, nothing will be left behind. The only reason these freaks are in Russia to start with is because of
    the 1990s compardor regime of Yeltsin. A normal government would have protected domestic manufacturers and Russia would have
    had indigenous companies in charge today. But NATzO with its spazzing has fixed this problem anyway. The gap of the last 30 years
    is basically closed.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Feb 07, 2024 2:51 pm

    There is a funny situation regarding Carlsberg used-to-be brewery that produces Baltika beer.
    As the Dunes rolled out, factory is operating as usual and sells its products all over Russia.
    A funny part is, that Dunes still are reselling the production on the exSU market, because they hold the rights to the brand.
    So we have a situation that reversed the usual - they are forced to buy products in Russian company, at Russian rules, to resell it. Otherwise, they will lost a market share in all of them, including ... 404 and Pribaltics Laughing Laughing Laughing

    I watched a short interview with a guy in charge as master brewerer. He was telling the stories of a continuous process of thinning the brewery making the beer of worse and worse quality. This was a policy of Carlsberg there, and I can only confirm that it is a process that happened in every brewery they owned here.
    My great-grandfather used to be in the same position in one of the breweries here back in the 60s-70s, and I remember his stories about checking the quality of the product. The "technology", if we can call it that way, was using leather pants and wooden, usually oak, countertop. They were pouring a product before fermentation, and checking it's consistency by sitting on it and hearing&feeling how it reacts with the leather pants.
    Crazy, but I guess I get the point here what "thinning" meaned. It was a product that was not enough in quality to interact with leather properly. Not glueing to it or something like that. He had these trousers even when he was already retired for years.

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    Post  Hole Wed Feb 07, 2024 8:19 pm

    As the Dunes rolled out
    Dunes? scratch
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    So the movies are about beer! cheers

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Feb 07, 2024 8:37 pm

    Aaaaah my bad ... Laughing
    We call them this way, and my close friend is married to a "Dune", and this is how she named him Very Happy
    Any more proper pronounces here? scratch Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 08, 2024 11:07 am

    That is what happens when it is all about profit... a local dairy company was selling milk powder to a company in China for distribution in China... which was a big deal for the NZ company because China is an enormous market.

    Problem was that that Chinese company was interested in profit only so they did a very stupid thing. To make more money they watered down the formula, but the formula had to have certain characteristics so they added melamine to boost the protein level so you couldn't tell it was watered down.

    Malamine is a type of plastic that is not safe for consumption but because it was being used in baby milk formula it was particularly bad. Children got kidney stones and had other issues and at least half a dozen died.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Feb 08, 2024 11:26 am

    That is an organized crime, and in the case of China, the management of the company that ordered that can end up being shot and redistributed for organs.


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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:12 pm

    ALAMO wrote:That is an organized crime, and in the case of China, the management of the company that ordered that can end up being shot and redistributed for organs.



    The line between profit-driven capitalism and organized crime is essentially non-existent. The main difference is that most of the owners realize that at least appearing to be civilized
    is in their long term interests. But clearly some of these owners can't even pretend.

    The degradation in quality you see in the products you buy is deliberate. If these f*ckers could sell you shit in a tin foil wrapper for a premium they would gladly do it.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:38 am


    The line between profit-driven capitalism and organized crime is essentially non-existent. The main difference is that most of the owners realize that at least appearing to be civilized
    is in their long term interests. But clearly some of these owners can't even pretend.

    Nahh... the official definition states if they are American or western then they are entrepreneurs that hire people and boost the economy, but when anyone else does it they are oligarchs... evil greedy thieves.

    BTW was just rereading the post at the top of this page and was thinking... those UK fishing boats operating in Russian waters delivering their catch to Russian fish processing factories... I am guessing they didn't travel all the way to the UK for fuel, so they probably got fuel in Russia.

    Would be interesting to see the difference in price for filling up the fuel tanks in Russia as compared with anywhere else in Europe they might be fishing...
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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:12 am

    So as part of the effort to damage Russia the EU has decided to ban Russian diamonds.

    The diamond trade is centred around Belgium and they create a lot of trade and income for their economy through the diamond market... and now they are using that as a weapon to damage Russia.

    What will Russia do about this... South Africa and Russia are part of BRICS... why is the world diamond market based in Europe in the first place and how long will it continue to reside there.

    Seems like the EU has made another mistake...

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