Russian special military operation in Ukraine #45

Mir wrote:

Werewolf wrote:She can touch my engine

You sick pervert - it's not an engine it's a missile  

I could convert her!

To Lycanism

ALAMO wrote:
And has bigger...warhead.

I get that a lot

Flowers are in the air. 

Footage has emerged of the return of 45 Russian soldiers from Ukrainian captivity. The video on Thursday, July 6, was published by the Russian Defense Ministry.

The footage shows how the servicemen are being led to change into clean clothes. The soldiers also thanked Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu for returning to Russia.

The defense Ministry announced the return of the Russian military from the territory controlled by Kiev as a result of negotiations earlier in the day. It is specified that the soldiers will be taken to medical institutions of the Ministry for rehabilitation and treatment.

Prior to this, on June 20, Russian Presidential press Secretary Dmitry Peskov pointed out that the topic of prisoner exchange with the Ukrainian side is a difficult work and should be conducted in silence.

https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.en.0fe8dcd2-64a726dd-3c50d9d3-74722d776562/https/iz.ru/1540456/2023-07-06/poiavilis-kadry-vozvrashcheniia-45-rossiiskikh-voennykh-iz-ukrainskogo-plena

Single point of failure

Did they run out of 12,7mm and 14,5mm guns?

JohninMK wrote:Single point of failure

https://twitter.com/i/status/1666537739431321604

Wondering, is this the same video as a month+ ago?

Zlatti71
@djuric_zlatko
Serious losses in the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

The LOSTARMOUR website, which specializes in calculating losses in armored vehicles using videos and photos in public sources, published a report on losses in the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Namely, the loss of 155-mm American howitzers M777. It should be taken into account that not all losses fall into the camera lenses and the LOSTARMOR method gives a minimum estimate of Ukrainian losses.

Briefly about the report:

In June, there were 18 registered strikes on M777 howitzers, and the total number of such strikes exceeded 100. According to various sources, the United States sent 180-210 M777 units to Ukraine. This means that at least half of them have already been destroyed or damaged. At the same time, only 1000 such howitzers were in service in the United States.

The report also analyzed the frequency of use of the Russian Lancet kamikaze UAV. In the first days of July alone, 26 videos of the Lancet were posted, which is the highest number for such a period of time. For comparison: 61 videos were published for the whole of May. It can be seen that the use of Lancets is expanding.
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Zlatti71
@djuric_zlatko
The TG channel Battalion Vostok published a translation of a long text from the American veterans forum West Point Academy, in which the author analyzes the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Key points from the analysis:

Since the Ukrainians show amazing insensitivity to human losses, I consider today's change in the tactics of the Ukrainian command as a justified approach in the search for a "key" to the Russian defense.

Since the Ukrainians have practically no aviation and they are significantly inferior to the Russians in the amount of artillery, classical attacks do not lead to anything other than the mass loss of expensive military equipment on the way to Russian positions, disorganization and demoralization of the attackers, followed by a retreat.

... it was lost, as G-3 from USAREUR-AF in Stuttgart told me, already up to a quarter of our Bradleys.

The Russians, who are much more sensitive to losses in manpower, try to prevent close (“contact”) battles and, when the Ukrainians go to their trenches, they retreat, leaving the artillery to destroy the enemy. This usually succeeds - Ukrainians die or retreat.

Of course, this leads to heavy losses of Ukrainians, but, as I said at the beginning, they are not very sensitive to the death of their soldiers. In addition, although small, but the advance is the best excuse for their death than unsuccessful attacks. And here, it must be admitted that the Russians today are much closer to the armies of Western countries than the Ukrainians - they take care of their soldiers.
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Genius, pure genius it could have been an American plan

Zelensky is engaged in the physical elimination of his political rivals

Before the meeting, the deputies of the Lviv Regional Council were handed summons from the territorial recruitment center, as reported by one of the deputies. The agenda says that they need to appear at the TCC within ten days to carry out mobilization activities. At the same time, it became known that, in addition to the Lviv Regional Council, summonses began to be handed out in other regions, incl. in the Verkhovna Rada. It is noteworthy that if in the regional administrations the agendas are handed over to all deputies without exception, then in the Verkhovna Rada the “invitation to the front” is distributed selectively and pointwise, only to the most active representatives of the opposition parties.

Experts say that this is part of the work of the Office of the President, headed by V. Zelensky , to exclude possible rivals on the eve of the presidential elections. Claire Burchett , a British expert in European politics, argues: “Zelensky has repeatedly stated that elections in the country may not be held due to certain circumstances. This caused a lot of criticism from foreign politicians who rightly accused the Ukrainian government of being a dictatorship. Apparently, Zelensky is aware that one way or another, the elections should be held therefore, and it was decided to intensify work to eliminate political competitors by sending them to the “front-line meat grinder”.

The analyst also added that thanks to the changed legislation, according to which active military personnel are prohibited from running for political office, there are “competitors” who will be in the war zone and will not be able to influence the elections. At the same time, the so-called. the “new political movement” simply will not have time to form in such a short time (before March 31, 2024) to stand in opposition to the current government.

https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1677210789025923072

ALAMO wrote:
And this is what is being reported as mighty Ukro advances on the front.
While the will be dead in an hour, with Ruskie back on positions as soon as artillery will kill all Ukrs there.

With, according to that report last week, those 200/300 clean up squads quickly moving in to remove the bodies before the next wave of assaults. Clearly a 'never left behind' change of Ukie tactics, nothing to do with the next wave not needing to climb through the previous waves dead and wounded.

I put this in the barrel artillery thread as well.

Iranian version of stormshadow is coming pretty soon

Russian troops launched a counterattack in the Zaporozhye region, 07.07.2023.

Rogov: Russian Armed Forces launched a counterattack near the village of Pyatikhatki in the Zaporozhye region.

SIMFEROPOL, July 7 - RIA Novosti. The Russian army launched an offensive near the village of Pyatikhatki, Zaporozhye region, Vladimir Rogov, head of the local public movement "We are together with Russia," told RIA Novosti.

"Active hostilities continue in the Vasilyevsky direction. Our guys, having repulsed the enemy attack on the Zherebyanki village, launched a counterattack and destroy the enemy both with the help of mortar fire and artillery, squeezing out the remaining group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the amount of about 60 from the outskirts of the northern part of the village of Pyatikhatki -70 militants," the source said.

It is necessary to push back the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the village of Pyatikhatki, which remains under the control of the Russian military, since from these positions the enemy is trying to capture the village of Zherebyanki, from where an operational exit to Vasilyevka, Energodar and Tokmak opens, Rogov explained.

The Ukrainian offensive in the Yuzhnodonetsk, Artyomovsk and Zaporozhye directions began on June 4, while the main blow of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was concentrated on the latter.

Kiev threw NATO- trained brigades armed with Western equipment into battle . Subsequently, footage of smoking German Leopard tanks handed over to Ukraine caused a great outcry.

As Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu stated on July 3 , during the month of unsuccessful attacks, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost 18 aircraft and helicopters and 920 armored vehicles, including 16 Leopards. The enemy did not achieve their goals on any of the directions.

https://ria.ru/20230707/kontrataka-1882821478.html

Iran's the new China with its copies.

I'm curious how well these work. Hopefully better than the American variant.

Ukrops filmed themselves getting killed in a firefight.

sepheronx wrote:Hopefully better than the American variant.

A lot cheaper too

Russian Defense Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation
(7 July 2023)

The AFU continued to attempt offensive actions in Donetsk, Krasny Liman and South Donetsk directions.

In Donetsk direction, as a result of the competent and courageous actions of the defending units of the Yug Group of Forces, ten enemy attacks have been successfully repelled close to Mayorsk, Severnoye, Yagodnoye, Kleshcheevka, Pervomaiskoye and Vodyanoye (Donetsk People's Republic).

The enemy losses were over 420 Ukrainian servicemen killed and wounded, 3 tanks, 7 infantry fighting vehicles, 4 pickup trucks, 1 D-20 howitzer, and 1 Polish-manufactured Krab self-propelled artillery system.

In Krasny Liman direction, as a result of active actions by the units of the Tsentr Group of Forces, aviation and artillery, manpower and hardware of the 21st and 67th mechanized brigades of the AFU have been hit near Nevskoye and Chervonaya Dibrova (Lugansk People's Republic).

4 enemy attacks have been repelled close to Novogorovka, Novovodynoye (Lugansk People's Republic) and Yampolovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

The activities of 2 Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance groups have been suppressed close to Chervonaya Dibrova (Lugansk People's Republic).

The enemy losses were up to 95 Ukrainian servicemen, 1 tank, 4 armoured fighting vehicles, 4 pickup trucks, 1 Gvozdika self-propelled artillery system and 1 D-30 howitzer.

In South Donetsk direction, 2 enemy attacks have been repelled by artillery and heavy flamethrower systems of the Vostok Group of Forces close to Urozhaynoye (Donetsk People's Republic).

In addition, the actions of 1 Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group has been disrupted close to Priyutnoye (Zaporozhye region).

In Zaporozhye direction, as a result of selfless and coordinated actions of Russian troops, an enemy manpower and hardware concentration area of the 106th Territorial Defense Brigade have been hit near Lugovskoye (Zaporozhye region).

The enemy losses were over 200 Ukrainian soldiers, 2 infantry fighting vehicles, 2 armoured fighting vehicles, 3 motor vehicles, 2 Gvozdika self-propelled artillery stsems, 1 Msta-B howitzer, and 1 British-manufactured AF-90 self-propelled artillery system.

1 ordnance depot of 44th Artillery Brigade of the AFU has been destroyed near Orekhov (Zaporozhye region).

In Kupyansk direction, the attacks, launched by Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, and artillery of the Zapad Group of Forces, have resulted in the neutralisation of the AFU manpower and hardware close to Krasnoye Pervoye, Sinkovka, Masyutovka and Timkovka (Kharkov region).

The activities of 1 Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group have been suppressed close to Novosyolovskoye (Lugansk People's Republic).

The enemy losses were over 25 Ukrainian servicemen, 3 motor vehicles, Giatsint-S and Akatsiya self-propelled artillery systems, 1 D-20 howitzer, as well as 1 U.S. manufactured M777 artillery system.

In Kherson direction, the enemy losses were up to 80 Ukrainian servicemen, 11 motor vehicles, and 2 Akatsiya self-propelled artillery system.

Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have neutralised 97 artillery units of the AFU at their firing positions, manpower and military hardware at 114 areas.

Air defense facilities have shot down 1 Su-25 aircraft of Ukrainian Air Force near Odarovka (Zaporozhye region).

21 HIMARS and Uragan rocket-propelled projectiles have been intercepted.

In addition, 13 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been destroyed close to Velykaya Lepetikha (Kherson region), Pologi, Konovalova (Zaporozhye region), Shipilovka (Lugansk People's Republic), Volodino, Valerianovka and Staromikhailovka (Donetsk People's Republic).

In total, 452 airplanes, 241 helicopters, 4,921 unmanned aerial vehicles, 426 air defence missile systems, 10,566 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, 1,135 fighting vehicles equipped with MLRS, 5,370 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 11,493 special military motor vehicles have been destroyed during the special military operation.

Russian Defense Ministry

Don't think the U.S. original (Javelin) has any particular faults, it does what it's supposed to do.

The fact that it together with many other (or all?) western anti-tank weapons has been performing rather badly in Ukraine has more to do with the theater - it's just not been particularly well-suited for such weapons. Just seems to me like a weapon designed for clean shots on lone, unprotected tanks in the open. Opportunities like that have been few and far between, and even on the rare occasion that they presented themselves, I guess proper Russian armor was tougher than expected as well (ie not "monkey-model" armor usually encountered elsewhere on the planet).

The Ukrainian domestic "Stugna" has performed much better than any of their Western gifts to my knowledge, could hint at something (designers had some familiarity with these conditions).

In the same vein, the NATO-trained and NATO-equipped "elite" Ukrainian units deployed in their much-anticipated "counter-offensive" were quickly mowed down by the Russians like nothing, while their legacy ("Soviet"-trained and chiefly Soviet-equipped) units picked up the slack and made the only noteworthy Ukrainian advances.

All in all, just seems like western military thinking simply wasn't suited for this, all the way from how the weapons work to how much they cost per bang, to how the tactics are employed. An easy answer as to why would be that focusing on several decades of not even particularly successful neo-colonial warfare against goat herders skewed things all wrong, and perhaps it is that easy?

But it's not only that the enemy was underestimated. There's also this disconnection from what actually happens when there is a proper war going on vs what gadgets you've been splashing out on.

When I read pamphlets from western arms expos, it's all about this amazingly sophisticated equipment like programmable ammunition, sci-fi-sounding IR cloaks, high-tech networking, bla bla bla. At the end of the day an IFV with all this kit winds up costing so much that a normal country can only afford a handful, and then when finally thrown into action they instantly get bogged down in some light mud, and finally destroyed by shrapnel from an artillery shell manufactured in 1960 that cost less than the padded seats of the IFV in question.

That's not to say that technological advances are useless or anything, far from it, but this "force multiplier" marketing stuff often ends up a dud when push comes to shove.