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    Post  mnztr Fri Apr 28, 2023 5:49 pm

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    look at the next Lada niva, prob with some Chinese input


    ALAMO wrote:As an interesting side-by comparison.
    Iranian automotive business is being introduced in Russia as well, and what is a funny observation is a fact, that Russian giants must seriously reconsider some aspects.
    Iranians offer cars with the same French heritage, only PSA instead of Renault.
    But the prices are extremely competitive, a quite nice sedan of P308 size with safety subsystems, A/T and multimedia is being calculated at less than 8000 euro.  
    And that is only because of some dealers' profit margins they are trying to get while the market is fragile.
    In the usual circumstances, it should cost less than E7k...
    Production localization is solely in Iran, which is why Iran became a quite potent subcontractor for tons of car manufacture subsystems.
    Russian airliners of Boeing and Airbus have started to be serviced by the Iranian companies, as they mastered the components production and sanction avoidance for decades.
    There is no way both countries won't benefit from that cooperation.
    Have you even checked the tourism perspectives Iran can offer?
    Or Syria?
    Russkie are wealthy tourists, they spent 40% more on holidays than the European average.
    In total, we talk a E20 bln a year spendings.
    Imagine that cash influx into Syrian economy.
    Or Iranian tourism.

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    Post  Backman Fri Apr 28, 2023 5:51 pm

    The Yak just doesn't have the protection that the su 25 does. It's most likely training with a real gun. Unless maybe they have a role that is a real Turkey shoot. Can a Yak trainer even carry flairs?

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:17 pm

    Could they use Russian or English (American that is) themselves?

    I would say, it is quite possible.
    The Iranian Republic was raised on the ashes of the shah regime, which was extremely Anglosaxon heavy.
    Tens of thousands of Iranians were part of British society/education system.
    Shah regime was supplied by both UK and US.
    I guess that English was not a barrier for them, and tons of well-educated Iranians carried that further.
    So yes, I suppose it is not an issue for them, and additional benefit for potential exporting.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:39 pm

    Some Yak-130s out there have wingtip pods with what certainly looks like upward-firing chaff/flare cartridge cassettes.
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    (#134 white, so an in-service AF jet)

    A secondary role as CAS or cheapish patrol aircraft was, as with most other advanced jet trainers always considered.

    IIRC both Belarus and Bangladesh actively use them for that.

    edit: I seem to recall that Russia was flying one individual with a modified nose years ago, seemingly housing a laser targeting and rangefinding contraption akin to Su-25 or MiG-27.

    Could have been a demonstrator for potential customers abroad looking for a cheap CAS aircraft I guess.

    edit 2: two different variations even:
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    (not sure about what the 2nd one really is)

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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:15 pm

    https://www.rt.com/russia/575488-donetsk-bus-hospital-civilians/

    At least nine dead in Ukrainian shelling of Donetsk – monitor

    Kiev’s forces have subjected the city to massive rocket artillery fire, destroying a passenger bus and killing multiple civilians

    At least seven fatalities resulted from the destruction of the bus, including one child. The vehicle apparently suffered a direct, or a very close hit, bursting into in flames, footage from the scene has shown. All of the passengers on board were said to have been killed, and the vehicle completely burned out.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:40 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Could they use Russian or English (American that is) themselves?

    I would say, it is quite possible.
    The Iranian Republic was raised on the ashes of the shah regime, which was extremely Anglosaxon heavy.
    Tens of thousands of Iranians were part of British society/education system.
    Shah regime was supplied by both UK and US.
    I guess that English was not a barrier for them, and tons of well-educated Iranians carried that further.
    So yes, I suppose it is not an issue for them, and additional benefit for potential exporting.




    Empire of Iran enjoyed good relations with the Communist Poland.

    Other monarchies that had good relations with the Soviet Block were Kingdom of Afghanistan and Kingdom of Morocco.


    I know that might sound surprising, but that was the case in reality.



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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:06 pm

    They look pretty realistic. Wonder if they have mimicking electronics fitted.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:34 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #41 - Page 38 Img_2262

    Very interesting picture, Yak130 with gun near the undercarriage and BETAB 250 bombs for training

    It even seems they are rocket assisted?

    Is VKS considering the use of Yak130 for these missions? Or is it simple training?

    How would such training translate to usage of those weapons on other cars?

    I lean towards Yak being considered for front line use??

    Training most likely.

    Else how will that train for that kind of thing?

    The Yak-130 is highly unsuitable to be used as some kind of front-line Su-25 replacement. Besides, there are plenty of Su-25s still, and more can be produced.

    The Yak-130 can potentially be used as a light tactical bomber, with air to ground missiles and anti-radar missiles and such, paired with radar pods. But that's not the load-out seen here.

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:57 pm

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    BetAB bombs have always rocket boosters to increase their impact speed.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:12 pm

    Backman wrote:First Erdogan. Now Vucic. The same claims and counter claims.

    Serbian media deny Vučić's hospitalization. It is alleged that oppositionists could spread false information on social networks.

    He has been on vine tasting tour today down south

    Serbian ''nationalist'' opposition (Soros basically) seems to be too stupid to use any playbook written after 1950s so we get stuff like this



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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:13 pm

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    New round of missile/drone attacks

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    New russian suicide drones

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    Post  mnztr Sat Apr 29, 2023 2:24 am

    How diabolical, the lithium battery will be blown to pieces sending burning fragments all over the place that cannot be extinguished easily.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Apr 29, 2023 4:52 am

    Putin urged law makers and authorities to work proactively rather then to try to wait out the difficult period

    What is ugly about this comment, is his insinuation that there are authorities and law making bodies which are "waiting" at all

    He is voicing his frustration at the current state of affairs in Russia - internally its clear not all are working for the best interests of Russia, but for their own interests

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    Post  Tolstoy Sat Apr 29, 2023 7:07 am

    At least nine dead in Ukrainian shelling of Donetsk – monitor
    US providing the co-ordinates.

    Harpoon missiles were used by US to target Ukrainians in Kiev who refused to fight.
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    Post  Arrow Sat Apr 29, 2023 7:46 am

    Attacked fuel depot Sevastopol
    https://m.vk.com/video-123538639_456298266
    https://m.vk.com/video-123538639_456298267
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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:42 am

    Arrow wrote:Attacked fuel depot Sevastopol
    https://m.vk.com/video-123538639_456298266
    https://m.vk.com/video-123538639_456298267

    Hopefully this means a drive on Odessa. The worry is this could be an attempt to soften Russian positions as an offensive could be coming soon.
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:46 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    The worry is this could be an attempt to soften Russian positions as an offensive could be coming soon.

    I'm not following your logic here. It's a fuel depot in Sevastopol. Russia has so many of these and fuel up the Ying yang.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:52 am

    sepheronx wrote:

    I'm not following your logic here.  It's a fuel depot in Sevastopol. Russia has so many of these and fuel up the Ying yang.  

    True, but if one is preparing an offensive you do try to hinder your opponent's ability to move and that means you hit oil stocks.  Of course with Ukraine being the ones behind this, its probably more a looks at me thing than any offensive.  Still, Russia needs to drive Ukraine and its crazies back west and north of the Dniepr to put an end to these childish attacks because the little crack whores in Kiev and Lvov will continue trying to attack Russia and harm Russians until they are taken out of range of Russian territory.
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Apr 29, 2023 8:57 am

    It's all Russian territory. Only way to prevent attacks on russian territory is removing the threat entirely. Not pushing back to some other determined line.

    Ukraine got 1 lucky shot on a fuel depot. Russia has done it ridiculous amount of times to Ukraine. And it's Ukraine that is short on fuel and can't produce.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:00 am

    Fuel is something Russia has no shortage of.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:57 am

    Surprised they haven't attempted to hit that depot before, or perhaps they have (many drones have been shot down thereabouts over the past year).

    Some sources say it was a swarm of Alibaba drones, 6-8, out of which all but two were disabled by EW. Haven't seen any corroboration of this yet though.

    Anyway, it's a civilian depot, so it doesn't bother the BSF. Four cisterns were damaged/destroyed, fire seems to have been put out now. I do expect some symbolic retaliatory action though.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 29, 2023 12:05 pm

    Russians don't report their losses. So it's half reliable.

    They admit attacks and losses, but not in detail.

    Kiev blames Russia when their own S-300 missiles hit things on the ground after missing the targets they were supposed to be shooting down.

    The Politico publication reported that from 150 to 200 people from Chechnya take part in the hostilities on the side of Ukraine , most of them are the sons and grandsons of militants who fought in the first and second Chechen wars and subsequently emigrated.

    Them fighting justifies their elimination so I am all for it.

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    The advantage of drone in overwatch and attack roles is that they can spot fakes and also thermal covers on the real systems missiles to make them look fake...

    Reportedly Iranian made Kornet copies with thermobaric load in use by the Russian army.

    Yeah, because obviously Russia doesn't mark its missile tubes with red to indicate they are thermobaric too.

    This is no more evidence that these missiles are Iranian than green tipped 5.45x39mm rounds prove they are Iranian made tracer rounds supplied to Russia.

    It means far less systems are defending cities.

    They didn't seem to be that effective in defending the cities anyway...

    Roughly half of the missile tubes in your pics from Iran got no red tape. Does this mean those missiles are not from Iran?

    The red indicates they are not anti armour, they are thermobaric warhead models.

    Like the Kornet-EM comes in two versions, the anti armour missile with the 8.5km range and the HE equipped model with the 10km range that can also be used against aircraft and soft targets.

    The red distinguishes the different warhead so it is not wasted on a tank or heavy armoured vehicle.

    They are marking thermobaric variants this way, so it is much easier to distinguish.

    But Russian troops are smarter than Iranian troops and don't need their missiles with thermobaric warheads to be marked at all? Razz


    Possibly Iran requested Russia to test out their equipment on the battlefield as a form of gesture toward further deals between the two countries economically.

    Or as Alamo suggested it was a consignment of Iranian weapons seized from their ships and given to the Orcs and captured by the Russians to be used against the Orcs.

    But the assumption that they don't use a similar red to indicate with their own missiles that they are not anti armour and therefore the red is proof that they are Iranian and not Russian made is interesting...

    Check the photos of missile containers, you will spot an interesting thing.
    All are marked with a combo of old Soviet nomenclature and English.

    They are excellent export products and this conflict will only reinforce that.

    Who is to say they are not using up stocks made for export... especially if any contracts have been suspended due to western sanctions or threats of sanctions?

    Kornet is insanely cheap anyway, but if you can have it at 1/3rd of a price - one must be stupid not to benefit.

    Not saying you are wrong, but would like to see the made in Iran stamp before accepting your assumption as being true.

    It would be sensible to use Iranian made Russian missiles and the Russians are sensible people but that alone is not evidence of anything.

    I lean towards Yak being considered for front line use??

    More likely training in that configuration... if it was going into conflict it would likely carry wing pods on the free weapon pylons with EW equipment and flares and jammers.

    (not sure about what the 2nd one really is)

    The first looks like the sensor window they use on the upgraded Su-25SM3, which would make sense, the second looks to me like it might be an IRST port but low drag and without the sensors actually fitted.

    Note I didn't like this:

    All of the passengers on board were said to have been killed, and the vehicle completely burned out.

    But I gave it a like because that is why Russia is fighting... they are not aiming at military targets, they are terrorising the civilian population... if Russia did that it would be called a war crime, but because Kiev are doing it they will call it self defence. Rolling Eyes

    They look pretty realistic. Wonder if they have mimicking electronics fitted.

    The problem is that they only make sense if you also have the real things shooting down enemy threats.

    These are just targets.

    BetAB bombs have always rocket boosters to increase their impact speed.

    Yes, anti runway munitions.

    Or for use against concrete bunkers in buildings.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 29, 2023 12:34 pm

    Whichever way you look at it not a good scene. A demonstration of modern infrastructure's vulnerability regardless of heavy defence as it only needs one to get through.

    Should be giving Governments all around the world some very serious concerns as none have AD anywhere near the capability of Russia's.


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    Tonight there was a large UAV attack on Sevastopol. According to russian sources it was three groups of Mugin-5 drones. One or two was shot down. Four was disabled by EW. Three or four was landed by EW. One got through and hit the oil depot setting four tanks on fire.

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    "A fuel tank is on fire near Kazachya Bay. According to preliminary info, the fire was caused by a UAV hit.

    Security services are on site. The area of the fire is about 1000 square meters, the fire was assigned class 4"

    Governor of Sevastopol - Razvozhaev




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    The fire in the Gagarinsky district at the oil depot was localized. Firefighters will be able to fully extinguish the fire by 6:00 p.m. According to preliminary data, the cause of the fire was the hit of two enemy unmanned aerial vehicles in the tanks.

    All the forces of the Ministry of Emergency Situations in Sevastopol were involved, fire brigades arrived from the Crimea. The resources of the Black Sea Fleet are also involved.

    The situation is under control, forces and all necessary means are sufficient.


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 29, 2023 12:48 pm

    So the US 4* General who matters says that Russian forces have barely been affected and sub sea activities cranked up Laughing

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