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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Apr 28, 2023 1:32 pm

    https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2023/04/27/vo-vremya-razgovora-s-si-czinpinom-zelenskomu-prishlos-obshchatsya-na-russkom-pabliki?fbclid=IwAR26bG7GjaF62UefKsYXK0RXxn-9YGNdSGJSzfbQmcXhTWKcU7ncnSEmC_M

    During a conversation with Xi Jinping, Zelensky had to communicate in Russian

    According to the press service of the office of the President of Ukraine, the negotiations lasted an hour, during which Zelya experienced "tremendous moral suffering" due to the fact that he was forced to communicate "in the language of the aggressor."

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:12 pm

    His native language... Which he spoke non-stop from his baby steps all the way until 2017 or something.

    Good on China not to bother with and accomodate that UA LARPing thing he and many others have done since.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:05 pm

    Reportedly Iranian made Kornet copies with thermobaric load in use by the Russian army.

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    Marked with red bar on the tube, sam way as Iranians mark Toophan and Saeghe missiles.

    Still not certain if that is a direct Iranian delivery, or recaptured pieces delivered to the Ukrs after sizing them en route to Yemen.

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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:26 pm

    It seems the use of gliding bombs by russian air force obliged the ukro to move their AD much closer to the frontline. That's why they could target them with lancet that have 40km ranges.

    It means far less systems are defending cities.

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:56 pm

    There was also a Buk launcher destroyed.

    Marked with red bar on the tube
    Roughly half of the missile tubes in your pics from Iran got no red tape. Does this mean those missiles are not from Iran? Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:57 pm

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    The ERA "bricks" on the sides look like the armor packages of the T-14.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:01 pm

    Roughly half of the missile tubes in your pics from Iran got no red tape. Does this mean those missiles are not from Iran? Rolling Eyes

    They are marking thermobaric variants this way, so it is much easier to distinguish.

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    Post  Mir Fri Apr 28, 2023 9:46 pm

    DerWolf wrote:Anti Javelin protection in place

    Whats is that i dont see

    You are looking at the T-72B1 with a Kontakt-5 upgrade on the front of the turret + some other goodies around the back and sides. The Kontakt-1 covering the rest of the turret should give some protection against the Javelin.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Apr 28, 2023 10:49 pm

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    One more S-300 was taken out, this one from the Nikolayev region.

    Good to see those damn Russkie orcs running out of them, they will stop bombing civilian homes with them ...
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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 28, 2023 11:10 pm

    They will run out of AD. Those gliding bombs are really effective and only long range SAMs can counter it. Soon they will have to bring the Patriots and SAMP-T on the front.

    Their rears are totally exposed to kalibr missile attacks.

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    Post  mnrck Fri Apr 28, 2023 11:17 pm

    "Reportedly Iranian made Kornet copies with thermobaric load in use by the Russian army."
    First, there's no reason for Russian to use Iranian copy. Second, based on the photos the two red bands are placed different. Third, why can't the Russian put those red thing on the real Kornet? Just my opinion.

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    Post  sepheronx Fri Apr 28, 2023 11:30 pm

    Who knows. Maybe Russia is running out of ammo? Maybe US was right all along? I mean, there is no reason to be using Iranian copies of what Russia already mass produces but maybe Russia lied about it's manufacturing capabilities?

    Or it's all bullshit.

    Possibly Iran requested Russia to test out their equipment on the battlefield as a form of gesture toward further deals between the two countries economically.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sat Apr 29, 2023 12:04 am

    Isos wrote:They will run out of AD. Those gliding bombs are really effective and only long range SAMs can counter it. Soon they will have to bring the Patriots and SAMP-T on the front.

    Their rears are totally exposed to kalibr missile attacks.
    No chance without a TOR.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Apr 29, 2023 12:14 am

    sepheronx wrote:Who knows. Maybe Russia is running out of ammo? Maybe US was right all along? I mean, there is no reason to be using Iranian copies of what Russia already mass produces but maybe Russia lied about it's manufacturing capabilities?

    Or it's all bullshit.

    Possibly Iran requested Russia to test out their equipment on the battlefield as a form of gesture toward further deals between the two countries economically.

    Russia uses regularly a lot of equipment and ammo.
    Possibly they want to keep their storage in good condition as well, in case they are involved in a larger war later, so that they do not find themselves in a situation in which they have to beg for ammo or wait for production.

    It is also possible that Iran want to test their equipment ina difficult environment and both countries have benefits in it. Russia can replace their stored ammo and keep both the old and the Iranian ones being used without worry

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Apr 29, 2023 12:51 am

    Russia uses regularly a lot of equipment and ammo.
    Possibly they want to keep their storage in good condition as well, in case they are involved in a larger war later, so that they do not find themselves in a situation in which they have to beg for ammo or wait for production.

    It is also possible that Iran want to test their equipment ina difficult environment and both countries have benefits in it. Russia can replace their stored ammo and keep both the old and the Iranian ones being used without worry


    I still can't get why some have an issue with admitting/spotting the obvious things scratch dunno
    Yes, Russia is vastly supplied by Iran, and the scope of supplies are getting wider and wider.
    Check the photos of missile containers, you will spot an interesting thing.
    All are marked with a combo of old Soviet nomenclature and English.
    They are interoperational. You can use them on a standard Kornet system, without any problems.

    Iranian supplies are much cheaper than Russian originated, due to PPP ratios.

    Kornet is insanely cheap anyway, but if you can have it at 1/3rd of a price - one must be stupid not to benefit.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:00 am

    sepheronx wrote:Who knows. Maybe Russia is running out of ammo? Maybe US was right all along? I mean, there is no reason to be using Iranian copies of what Russia already mass produces but maybe Russia lied about it's manufacturing capabilities?

    Or it's all bullshit.

    Possibly Iran requested Russia to test out their equipment on the battlefield as a form of gesture toward further deals between the two countries economically.

    of course that there is reason to use Iranian ammo or Kornets. Ability to produce in general is finite for every country. Russia inclusive. So if you produce Kornets or simple ammo is costs you not only money but also possibility to make other missiles or types of equipment Like izd 305. Krasmopol or FAB3000with wings or Pantsir / Tor missiles.

    Any from of extra resources i'd say is welcome by Russia which is under western aggression.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:19 am

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    Very interesting picture, Yak130 with gun near the undercarriage and BETAB 250 bombs for training

    It even seems they are rocket assisted?

    Is VKS considering the use of Yak130 for these missions? Or is it simple training?

    How would such training translate to usage of those weapons on other cars?

    I lean towards Yak being considered for front line use??

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:23 am

    As an interesting side-by comparison.
    Iranian automotive business is being introduced in Russia as well, and what is a funny observation is a fact, that Russian giants must seriously reconsider some aspects.
    Iranians offer cars with the same French heritage, only PSA instead of Renault.
    But the prices are extremely competitive, a quite nice sedan of P308 size with safety subsystems, A/T and multimedia is being calculated at less than 8000 euro.
    And that is only because of some dealers' profit margins they are trying to get while the market is fragile.
    In the usual circumstances, it should cost less than E7k...
    Production localization is solely in Iran, which is why Iran became a quite potent subcontractor for tons of car manufacture subsystems.
    Russian airliners of Boeing and Airbus have started to be serviced by the Iranian companies, as they mastered the components production and sanction avoidance for decades.
    There is no way both countries won't benefit from that cooperation.
    Have you even checked the tourism perspectives Iran can offer?
    Or Syria?
    Russkie are wealthy tourists, they spent 40% more on holidays than the European average.
    In total, we talk a E20 bln a year spendings.
    Imagine that cash influx into Syrian economy.
    Or Iranian tourism.

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    Post  Backman Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:40 am

    First Erdogan. Now Vucic. The same claims and counter claims.

    Serbian media deny Vučić's hospitalization. It is alleged that oppositionists could spread false information on social networks.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:45 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Very interesting picture, Yak130 with gun near the undercarriage and BETAB 250 bombs for training

    It even seems they are rocket assisted?

    Is VKS considering the use of Yak130 for these missions? Or is it simple training?

    How would such training translate to usage of those weapons on other cars?

    I lean towards Yak being considered for front line use??

    They have a payload of 3K kg so they can technically loft 6 FAB 500 glide bombs and the stand off range of the bombs makes it pretty low threat. I if they take 4 bombs they can probably get to max alt and those bombs will go a looooong way. Cheap bomb truck.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 29, 2023 1:48 am

    Check the photos of missile containers, you will spot an interesting thing.
    All are marked with a combo of old Soviet nomenclature and English.
    They are interoperational. You can use them on a standard Kornet system, without any problems.

    Iranian supplies are much cheaper than Russian originated, due to PPP ratios.

    Kornet is insanely cheap anyway, but if you can have it at 1/3rd of a price - one must be stupid not to benefit.


    Alamo, I would suggest that it is all down to excellent marketing, Russian for some customers and English for others. Probably applies to all kinds of products.

    Could they use Russian or English (American that is) themselves?

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