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    Post  mnztr Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:49 pm

    re the t-90, so the crew gets gassed by the smoke from the gun? pretty lame. Is that just because they have the hatch open? the tank should be NBC pressurized no?
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    Post  GarryB Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:54 pm

    you would think surely Russia would have spies and drones and other surveillance to level the equipment of Trashistan right there and then?

    Or wait till they are about to enter combat and are fully loaded with ammo and fuel with other forces relying on their support...

    Part of some of Russias problems are perhaps from issues where recon finds enemy targets but sometimes it makes more sense to watch rather than destroy... if you watch , you see where they are supported and can work out where their fuel and ammo is stored and once you have a complete picture of their organistation and structure you can do more than just hit their operational vehicles which will just be replaced, you can hit their support people and stores of ammo and fuel and spare parts which would be much harder to replace if it can be replaced at all...

    Of course they know it is there. They started glide bombing these accumulations with foabs. That's all that can be done. Do you you they will send a kalibr for each piece of equipment or something?

    Actually the cruise missile for Iskander that the US complained about as being in breach of the INF treaty probably would be ideal... it had a 1 ton payload... the extra HE replacing fuel keeping range to the 500km range limit for the INF treaty, but a 1 ton payload on a cruise missile with precision guidance could use a cluster munition warhead that ejects anti armour HEAT bomblets as it flys... it could fly at low altitude very very fast, which would make it a very difficult target at 800km/h at 10m altitude ejecting HEAT munitions as it passes over armour formations lined up like that...

    Such a capacity would also be useful against runways with runway cratering munitions too...

    Grapevine is #KimJongUn has offered to rent #Moscow upto 500,000 trained #NorthKorean commandoes . A new PMC Headquartered in #PyongYang is likely going to be formed in partnership with the #WagnerGroup . These men trained to clash with the #US forces in #Korea could come to the #UkraineWar soon .

    Would be a good test for the North Korean troops and a great way to get them battle hardened... will the US and South Korea send troops to fight on the side of Kiev to get their own battle hardened soldiers to match though?

    I agree with PapaDragon here. I was already asking why they don't load 20 su-34 and 40 su-24 with fab-100 and just carpet bomb all the city. It is way less destructive than sending men vs men with artillery during few months now.

    Because it is also totally ineffective... if carpet bombing was so damn amazing Vietnam would be American territory and so would Laos, and Afghanistan would have been a walk over for HATO forces because their enemy had little to no air defence capacity to stop them... yet after 20 years they didn't manage to get the job done.

    There is an old saying... when the only tool you have is a hammer, treat every problem like it is a nail... well the west only has air power and thinks that is the solution despite stalemates in Kosovo and other places because air power alone doesn't cut it... after decades of sanctions and the use of air power over Iraq eventually they had to invade to get rid of Saddam.

    German "Leopards" in Ukraine are hung with dynamic protection blocks.

    Almost like their frontal armour is not good enough... strange when that is the strongest armour on most tanks... second only to the turret front normally.

    Hit that, the turret flies right away, and the driver is roasted. All it takes is a solid hit on the side of the tank. Some weapons can even hit the ammo storage frontally.

    What they should be doing is adding framework to make them look like T-80s, because anything that looks western is going to attract Russian fire...

    re the t-90, so the crew gets gassed by the smoke from the gun? pretty lame. Is that just because they have the hatch open? the tank should be NBC pressurized no?

    Having the hatch open would let more smoke from the gun into the crew compartment, but it also allows it to ventilate away faster. In combat the hatches would be closed and fans would be running, but these are big guns and lots of smoke is a byproduct of firing them.

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    Post  lyle6 Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:08 am

    The glacis of the Leopard 2 would not be upgraded until the L2A7V model. Thus any tandem warhead ATGM or RPG would have zero problems piercing even the L2A6 from the front. Not that big of a deal on the defence fighting from hull down positions but on the attack? Razz




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    Post  Backman Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:10 am

    re the t-90, so the crew gets gassed by the smoke from the gun? pretty lame. Is that just because they have the hatch open? the tank should be NBC pressurized no?

    Dont be a moron. That happens in all tanks. Except Russian ones have auto loaders instead of doing it by hand.

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    Post  Backman Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:14 am

    agree with PapaDragon here. I was already asking why they don't load 20 su-34 and 40 su-24 with fab-100 and just carpet bomb all the city. It is way less destructive than sending men vs men with artillery during few months now. With such an attack most ukro concripts would surrender quickly even if they don't kill anyone. The shock would be huge. Same as when they send kalibrs on that foreign legion HQ back in the first month, they all left to play call of duty in USA the next day.

    Yeah and then the next day, Ukraine drops off 10,000 new suicidal brainwashed retards into the rubble. Then what ?

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    Post  Backman Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:23 am

    See how successful air power on the Ho Chi minh trail was.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Mar 30, 2023 12:48 am

    @GB - actually Russian telegram channels mentioned 50,000 what would be more realistic imho. Some thousands ex-Afghan soldiers (escaped form Talibs) stations in Iran and they are ready to come with help... (guess as "security agents" ) . Let's see if anything turns to be true.


    I would not also neglect problems in Russian army. All Russian telegram channels I can read are looking for donations for extra cars or drones or night vision. So there is need for those...looks like scale of need is more than Russian Army can provide atm. I hope this will change soon so Russians will have even less losses...
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Mar 30, 2023 2:24 am

    Backman wrote:See how successful air power on the Ho Chi minh trail was...

    1.5 million dead Charlies, looks pretty damn successful to me

    1.5 million dead Ukrainians would have solved the whole Nazi problem easy





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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Mar 30, 2023 2:30 am

    That's a moronic thing to say dude

    If we applied the Vietnam situation to Ukraine, what you are saying is that after Russia kills 1.5 million Ukrainians

    Russia gets kicked out of Ukraine, and Ukraine remains staunchly anti Russian, in the camp of NATO ?

    Because that's what happened in Vietnam - the kill count was way lopsided in favor of US armed forces, yet the US failed to build a government of control in South Vietnam and to establish domination of the south China sea

    In reality, noone in Russia wants this to end like Vietnam, that would be a resounding defeat

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    Post  mnztr Thu Mar 30, 2023 2:32 am

    Dont be a moron. That happens in all tanks. Except Russian ones have auto loaders instead of doing it by hand. wrote:

    here is a video of the M1 firing and reloading. I don't see fumes and they have a fume extractor. So you are the moron if you think a tank crew can inhale that shit and perform at their best.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Mar 30, 2023 2:34 am

    1.5 million dead Charlies, looks pretty damn successful to me wrote:

    Germans killed more Russians then vice versa. How did that work out?
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    Post  Backman Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:12 am

    Russia is going to be forced to attack govt buildings in Ukraine fairly soon. That's a good thing

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    Post  Backman Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:14 am

    here is a video of the M1 firing and reloading. I don't see fumes and they have a fume extractor.

    Not a real war. Moron. On block list you go.

    Here's an older Russian tank or mobile artillery that seems to have an extractor. Crazy that Russia forgot to put them on the T-90 eh. Or maybe... just maybe... we are missing some context. And we shouldn't question the entire viability of the T-90 over one fucking video??

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    Post  mnztr Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:58 am

    Not a real war. Moron. On block list you go. Here's an older Russian tank or mobile artillery that seems to have an extractor. Crazy that Russia forgot to put them on the T-90 eh. Or maybe... just maybe... we are missing some context. And we shouldn't question the entire viability of the T-90 over one fucking video?? wrote:

    first you say they all do that, then you post a video of a Russian Tank with much less fumes and act all outraged at being proven WRONG. Back pedal much? lol
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    Post  kvs Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:15 am

    You simply can't use different videos to evaluate the smoke back flow between different tanks. It depends on the atmospheric conditions.
    Like the amount of smoke you get inside the house using a wood stove depending on the exterior pressure and vertical temperature
    profile. All modern tanks have main gun bore evacuators. The only way to guarantee no smoke in the turret is for a positive pressure
    differential to be maintained with the exterior. No tank has an air pump to pressurize the turret. With enough pumping you would
    not need a bore evacuator. Obviously the cheaper and more robust solution is used.

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    Post  zorobabel Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:20 am

    The US killed a huge number of North Vietnamese and still lost, but the US was fighting a war literally on the other side of the planet (12 timezones away). Russia is fighting within its sphere, but it may have to kill 1 million Ukrainians to shut Kiev up.

    Regarding the video above, attacks on Melitopol are problematic.

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    Post  famschopman Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:52 am

    Had me laughing ..

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:56 am

    Good to see that some found a new fetish to jerk off.
    This "low reverse speed" mantra started to be boring.
    Gun fumes have some potential, second to "no ERA on tracks, meh".
    Carry on, carry on ...

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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:30 am

    1.5 million dead Charlies, looks pretty damn successful to me

    1.5 million dead Ukrainians would have solved the whole Nazi problem easy

    It wouldn't matter if it was 100k or 10 million killed on the battlefield... Kiev will simply deny everything and the war will continue and you can bet your ass the worst nazis are well away from the front lines too and not by accident...

    Half of the bombing was in Laos... a totally different country...

    Regarding the video above, attacks on Melitopol are problematic.

    Currently their longest range weapon reaches 150km so that is how far the Orc military have to be pushed away from Russian territory... which will continue to move as they get pushed back and more territory decides to join the Russian Federation or become independent from the cocksuckers in Kiev.

    The Kremlin has already said there is no diplomatic solution to this conflict...

    Kremlin sees only military solution to Ukraine conflict

    https://www.rt.com/russia/573796-ukraine-conflict-military-solution/

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:10 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:If we applied the Vietnam situation to Ukraine, what you are saying is that after Russia kills 1.5 million Ukrainians...

    I would say good job even though it's 80 years late but better late than never



    Arkanghelsk wrote:Russia gets kicked out of Ukraine, and Ukraine remains staunchly anti Russian, in the camp of NATO ?

    Why would Russia get kicked out of Ukraine?

    Only way Russia can get kicked out of Ukraine is if Russia wants to get kicked out of Ukraine



    Arkanghelsk wrote:yet the US failed to build a government of control in South Vietnam and to establish domination of the south China sea

    Leaving Nazis alive will not help Russia build a government same as it did not help Soviets do it




    mnzrt wrote:Germans killed more Russians then vice versa. How did that work out?

    Bad for them

    They should have killed more if they wanted to win

    You don't win by killing less

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:29 am

    I mean pretty silly to say, if you killed 10m Ukie troops they would have no forces left to oppose you, Veitnam could afford such attrition because the population was gigantic compared to Ukraine.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:40 am

    Bad for them

    They should have killed more if they wanted to win

    You don't win by killing less

    If Hitler had been smart he would have said to the Soviet people that he was liberating them from evil Stalin and having his troops just treat the local population... they didn't have to be nice... they just had to not murder 30 million of them... there would probably be quite a few that would embrace a bit of law and order with stability and peace but also development and growth... but then if Hitler had been smart he would not be Hitler...

    If the Americans had treated the Vietnamese as people and not try to murder them all things might have gone better for them, but essentially they as usual allied themselves with criminals and did what they did and gave the locals no satisfying alternative.

    I mean pretty silly to say, if you killed 10m Ukie troops they would have no forces left to oppose you, Veitnam could afford such attrition because the population was gigantic compared to Ukraine.

    With western media support I am sure they could keep getting recruits from all sorts of places... it is easy to offer enormous sums of money to people who you can send to the front and not have to pay anything to...

    Plus with rolling thunder type carpet bombing... when I say ten million killed... what makes you think I mean Ukrainian soldiers?

    When you are exterminating the enemy you can't just stop and men in uniform...

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    Post  lyle6 Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:57 am

    IIRC, the "smoke" you see after anything with a 125 mm fires is not gun smoke. Its the remains of the cardboard sleeve crimped into the metal stub which burns at a slower rate compared to the propellant. Not very healthy to inhale but so are cigarettes and nobody's bitching about that mass killer of soldiers.

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    Post  Hole Thu Mar 30, 2023 10:24 am

    Veitnam could afford such attrition because the population was gigantic compared to Ukraine.
    Vietnam had 32.000.000 people in 1960. Roughly half of which was in the South.

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