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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #40

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:02 am


    I just hope Poles don't get cold feet at the last second (or decide that they don't want to do it without USA... which they will)




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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:03 am

    The article penned by Putin is released on the eve of Xi and Putin meeting, the same day he visited Donbass and the General Staff

    Xi responds to Putin :

    Xi Jinping sees ‘irreversible’ shift to multipolar world

    Chinese President Xi Jinping has set the tone for his visit this week to Moscow by touting improving relations with Russia in the ten years since he took office and vowing that the transition to a “multipolar world” liberated from US domination won’t be stopped.

    “The world today is going through profound changes unseen in a century,” Xi wrote in an article published on Sunday by the Rossiyskaya Gazeta. “The historical trend of peace, development and win-win cooperation is unstoppable. The prevailing trends of world multipolarity, economic globalization and greater democracy in international relations are irreversible.”

    Xi, who’s scheduled to arrive on Monday for talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, noted that the world faces “traditional and non-traditional security challenges,” as well as “damaging acts of hegemony, domination and bullying.” He added that countries around the world are “eager to find a cooperative way out of the crisis” as they try to get through a “long and tortuous global economic recovery.”

    The international community has recognized that no country is superior to others, no model of governance is universal, and no single country should dictate the international order. The common interest of all humankind is in a world that is united and peaceful, rather than divided and volatile.”

    Xi called for increasing the quality and quantity of investment and economic cooperation between China and Russia, as well as stronger policy coordination. “We have every reason to expect that China and Russia, as fellow travelers on the journey of development and rejuvenation, will make new and greater contributions to human advancement.”

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:06 am

    Big things coming in Putin and Xi meeting

    Both of their articles can be read, it is very warming that China is supporting Russia to the maximum

    An outright military alliance will probably be declared, or something very close as both leaders extoll cooperation and Xi used "ending US domination" as his own words

    This is bad news for the west, most likely big economic deals will be announced, and maybe some kind of agreement on the SMO between Russia and China

    This is monumental meeting this week guys, pay attention, the two biggest military and economic powerhouses will coordinate the next steps

    The US order is finished

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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:16 am

    Of course we do. The EU is in recession, a lot of companies are going out of business.
    Producing Chemicals is consuming a lot of energy which is pretty expensive these days.

    Yes, a consequence of saving money by only buying the bare minimum ammo means the ingredients will be produced for that tempo of production so if you suddenly decide you need max production and you want it now, well supply chains can be told to ramp up production quickly but some chains are simply unable to comply in a useful timescale.

    It is like demanding high quality drones in Russia in 2008... having a state of the art aerospace sector didn't help because a whole new range of engines and designs and technology needed to be developed... countries that could supply such things didn't invent them over night either, they spent enormous amounts of money and time and effort to make what they have and Russia was never going to just be able to snap their fingers and have the perfect drones either.

    Forepost is an old technology obsolete Israeli drone but making it in Russia was a huge benefit to the drone industry in Russia because it gave them an idea of what a drone could do and how it operates and how to support it and deploy it, but obviously it was only with real experience in a combat situation like Syria and Ukraine that they started to add demands and features they also find useful.

    In real combat heavy drones are not so great against an enemy with air defences intact, but small light disposable drones are very useful... but still not all powerful either.

    If you have an enemy counter offensive and you have five or ten suicide drones and the enemy attacks with thousands of men and hundreds of vehicles then it is not suicide drones that will win the battle, it will be the medium sized drones rapidly finding targets for your artillery and air power and keeping your command informed about the enemy force and its movements... an armed drone might carry missiles or bombs to take out 3 or four vehicles if you are lucky but a single drone with good cameras and a laser target marker could hit dozens and dozens of targets using guided artillery and directing rocket barrages by ground and air platforms.

    I hope the reserves and defense preparations are ready for when these idiots go mad max on the line

    When it is clear the actual attack is starting, that is the time you launch 300mm Smerch rocket attacks with HEAT submunitions to destroy armour and infantry positions over a large area very very quickly, with a second volley of anti armour mines with a lifespan of say 6 hours so they can destroy retreating Orc vehicles but wont be a problem for counter attacking Russian armour.

    As said they seem to be accumulating more vehicles

    Easier to kill enemy troops inside an armoured vehicle than if those troops are spread out moving in a field...

    This is why the Poles deserve every bit of their brains splattered onto the dirt.

    Poland is part of HATO, so if they join then it becomes nuclear, and if Poland joins the conflict then the other HATO countries are not obliged to help it... and when it gets nuked they certainly wont want to get involved...

    Their deployments are towards Kaliningrad because they think Russia is weakest there but I suspect most of those Iskanders will be armed with nuke warheads because they are not for fighting Ukrainians on territory they want to keep intact for the future users, they will be fighting Polish forces on Polish territory so nuking it is just fine.

    Thousands of wellies were crowdsourced, even the ones prepped for winter, with wool inners. MoD bought tons of them too. Plenty of videos and pictures of Russian troops wearing them. From last year.

    Gumboots are good for drivers or other people that spend their time sitting down so keeping their feet warm and dry is a good thing, but if you spend most of your time in the mud and you have to walk around a lot and even run then gumboots are terrible because they wont stay on and they wont support your ankles properly when moving in the mud... carrying a pack or weight and you will fall over or lose a gumboot because it stuck in the mud... does not happen with lace up proper boots.

    You can fit gaiters and other plastic covers for standard boots to keep your feet dry if you want to, but most hikes I have done my feet were wet within minutes and stayed wet all day till we got to the cabin... you take your wet socks off and put on warm dry socks overnight and do your best to squeeze out the water in the socks you wore all day and dry them as best you can overnight and then you put your wet socks back on for the next day... once they are wet they don't get any wetter and your circulation doing hard work keeps them warm.

    Beijing and Moscow are working together to shape “a more just multipolar world,” and ties between the two countries are now “at the highest level in their history,” President Vladimir Putin

    This is huge, because normally powerful countries like to make their own rules that suit their own needs and interests, like the UK did and France did and the US does, but a multipolar world means even the big powerful countries have to follow the rules the way the west does not.

    This will appeal to most countries around the world as being more fair than the current situation where the rich and powerful can use their power and money to get their way, which usually results in them increasing their power and wealth.

    The US order is finished

    They never really had complete actual control of the world.... only of the west, which they will likely retain because their spy services are directed and optimised to find dirt on western power structures so they can control them as they please.

    When their currency collapses their ability to survive will become a challenge and their ability to bribe will disappear.... being offered a hundred billion droobies to do something sounds impressive, but when you learn nobody will accept droobies as money then you realise it is not impressive at all... like being offered a billion drops of water when you can take that from the sky when it rains for free.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:06 am

    Russian forces wipe out Ukrainian army’s weapon emplacements in Donetsk area, 03.20.2023.

    It is reported that an artillery regiment of the Southern Military District employed a Giatsint-S self-propelled gun to destroy a Ukrainian army’s weapon emplacement.

    MOSCOW, March 20. /TASS/. Russian forces uncovered and destroyed two long-term weapon emplacements of the Ukrainian army in the Donetsk area over the past day, Russia’s Southern Battlegroup Spokesman Ivan Bigma said on Monday.

    "In the Donetsk direction, the team of a Shturm-S anti-tank missile system from an artillery unit of the Southern Military District uncovered and destroyed two enemy long-term weapon emplacements near the community of Kamenka," Russia’s Defense Ministry quoted the spokesman as saying on its Telegram channel.

    In the Donetsk area, an artillery regiment of the Southern Military District employed a Giatsint-S self-propelled gun to destroy a Ukrainian army’s weapon emplacement and a D-30 120mm howitzer in counter-battery fire near the settlement of Maksimilyanovka, the spokesman said.

    https://tass.com/politics/1591197

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:02 pm

    Is he really so stupid that he doesn't understand what he is saying.

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    BREAKING NEWS: White House spokesman John Kirby says that since Ukraine is a free, independent, and completely sovereign nation, the US will not allow President Zelenskyy to accept any peace plans proposed by the Chinese delegation in Moscow this week.

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    Post  Hole Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:21 pm

    How can a sane person talk to people like this? Suspect

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    Semi-circle is here already.

    Pro-Ukraine journalist on #Avdiivka:

    "Just got out of the most intense bombardment I’ve ever experienced. Tanks, clusters, rockets, all of it. The city is surrounded on three sides and as I was there Russia was assaulting on all fronts. It could easily fall sooner than Bakhmut"

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    Post  Hole Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:44 pm

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    Ukraine sends new reinforcements to Bakhmut.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:03 pm

    Kirby and Washington in general reaction is normal

    They are like a deer in the headlights

    Xi, the leader of the largest economy in the world,  has landed in Moscow and is talking about a historic change in the world order

    The week before , Xi normalized saudi and Iranian relations in a stroke ...

    Meanwhile Washington banking sector is collapsing, and with it the US currency

    There is internal instability across the west, in Paris , in Berlin, in London , DC, you see riots, protests, divisions, economic uncertainty and overall doubt of their place and role in the new world order

    It's misplaced doubt, a result of Washington's archaic political order, which does not allow for strategic planning,  but is a mishmash of political theater used to upset the rival parties ambitions in the next election

    This has caused inflammation in relations with other world powers, and led to a situation where in the past the intelligence agencies could help steer foreign policy, and now they are just relegated to tools of the competing political parties

    In this state Washington will lose its reputation and stance , and will be in danger of falling out of the "happenings" in eurasia

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:05 pm

    Good God Biden's crime syndicate cares for Ukrainian lives about as much as the East India Co cared about Indian lives.

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    Post  zorobabel Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:44 pm

    Xi is coming to try to force his peace plan. Would be sad if the war is frozen while the Battle for the Donbas is not won, meaning a Russian defeat, but I wouldn't be surprised.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:53 pm

    Putin hosted representatives from most of Africas' countries at a huge conference today, while Xi landed in Moscow.

    Assad went to UAE the other day, Saudi invited Irans president.

    Things are in motion, for sure.

    Just while I was writing this I got a notice that the government of Indonesia today decided to diversify away from western-controlled transaction systems.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:06 pm

    zorobabel wrote:Xi is coming to try to force his peace plan. Would be sad if the war is frozen while the Battle for the Donbas is not won, meaning a Russian defeat, but I wouldn't be surprised.

    Nonsense, read Xis article in Rossiyskaya Gazeta, his fully on-board with Putin - the day before the article was published, Putin was in Donbass

    A warzone on the frontline

    No early settlement will take place after he risked his life like that and met with the general staff for a whole day

    Today is informal, many pictures, a nice lunch

    Tomorrow the real meetings will take place with the big deals and negotiations,

    So far Xi and Putin are having a chummy time

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    Land corridor through which Putin drove

    650Km , shorter than original route

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:44 pm

    So the EU are planning on spending $2Bn in artillery shells for Ukraine but doesn't know when or how they will provide them lol!

    Russia should wait until they produce them then destroy the artillery systems they take longer to replace and then the EU will have tons of shells to send but Ukraine will have no guns to fire them with lol!

    I think by the time the EU start producing decent amounts of artillery shells the war will be over.

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/defence-and-security/news/eu-ammunition-plan-for-ukraine-runs-into-third-country-issues/

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:53 pm

    Progress around Avdiivka thumbsup  Looking forward to see this nest of murderers and scum put to the sword and fed their own livers.

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    Post  Backman Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:35 pm

    CIA right on que. Lets murder a bunch of Chinese ppl and accuse Wagner just as Xi arrives. Why do they do this? It has to be just for internal propaganda. They feed the Western population this constant drip of incompetence on the part of Russia and China so that they keep this over inflated sense of themselves

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:02 pm




    I just hope Poles don't get cold feet at the last second (or decide that they don't want to do it without USA... which they will) wrote:


    Polish government has already stated that the ambassador's words were taken out of context.


    In other news: very recently windows in the government office of the Vice-Premier and Defense Minister of the Polish (?) government were broken by thrown rocks.

    I guess the Polish people start to get pissed off.



    https://wiadomosci.radiozet.pl/polska/polityka/realizacja-hasla-osmiu-gwiazdek-blaszczak-o-ataku-na-jego-biuro





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    Could Ukraine be gathering some forces for a counterattack near Bakhmut?

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    Post  kvs Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:31 pm

    The Chinese are not so stupid as to fall for such an obvious ploy. What motive does Russia have for having mercenaries attack economic targets in Africa?
    There is no "French-vs-English from the 1700s" competition between China and Russia for Africa.

    The CIA is run by delusional clowns. Not surprising that they have become a political tool of the Demonrat Party.

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    Post  kvs Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:34 pm

    Ukraine is going to have to gather forces for an attack on Avdeyevka also. Basically they will have to gather their cannon fodder for the
    whole front. What they will achieve is nothing but squandering of their cannon fodder.

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    Post  mnztr Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:47 pm

    Could Ukraine be gathering some forces for a counterattack near Bakhmut? wrote:
    Ukraine is in the tactical shit Russia has drones and patrols to spot a counter attack. each troop concentration is attacked with arty or air. assuming they gather a force it is drawn from elsewhere and Russia can exploit the gaps this creates. I also expect (hope) Russia has and air power plan to pummel any force before it even moves into artillery range. Or maybe the plan is to allow it to move into range and savage them with air power when they retreat. In any case Russia can inflict a decisive defeat and then press into the retreat and turn it into a shambles.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:52 pm

    Founder of Wagner Group: we control 70% of Artyomovsk, 03.20.2023.

    According to businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin, his group will need more help to hold on to gains in the locality against an offensive by Kiev, which it expects to happen soon.

    Yevgeny Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner group, said in a press release on Monday (20) in an appeal to Sergei Shoigu, Defense Minister of Russia, that the group currently controls about 70% of Artyomovsk (Bakhmut, in Ukrainian).

    "Dear Sergei Kuzhugetovich! Wagner units currently control about 70% of the Bakhmut locality and continue the offensive for its complete liberation," the press service indicates.

    Prigozhin said that, according to information at his disposal, there should be a large-scale offensive by Kiev in late March and early April aimed at cutting off the Wagner Group. Prigozhin called for measures to be taken to avoid such an outcome.

    The founder of the group attached to it "the plan of the enemy and a proposal for countermeasures."

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