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    Post  Backman Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:32 am

    This is the kind of petty flex that the US would do in response to Russia killing Americans in Ukraine. But we'll see



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    Post  sepheronx Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:37 am

    Then Russians will do the same thing with Tu-22M's near Hawaii or other US cities.

    The Americans are not thinking very straight. Or hard.

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    Post  diabetus Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:50 am

    KVS wrote:The refurbished T-62 likely outperforms most of the Abrams tanks. Even depleted uranium armour is crap against modern anti-tank shells.
    Reactive armour is your only hope and most Abrams don't have it. The updated fire control and detection systems do the job. But fanboi
    wankers don't have a clue and think that NATO tanks without reactive armour are the bestest in existence.

    Sorry but this is probably the most laughable post I've ever seen here.

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    Post  kvs Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:27 am

    Nice vapid comeback.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:42 am

    Backman wrote:
    This is the kind of petty flex that the US would do in response to Russia killing Americans in Ukraine. But we'll see

    So American missiles from B-52 only have 200 Km range.  
    That's kinda ridiculous. That tweet there is misleading, it's just your typical "show off" trip.  If it were to launch missiles it will do it 900-1000 Km away with JASSM's.  Not really something Russia should worry about.

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    Post  Regular Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:14 am

    Diabetus wrote:


    Uh yeah JDAM has proven it's precision for over 20 years now. Surprising you'd even ask that.

    As a ground launched version? Also, Gunship was right. It was old video, you simply can’t trust anything Ukrs posts, they keep recycling same videos. I give up, won’t believe even their own losses filmed. pirat

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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:53 am

    Ukraine despite being armed with several western SAM systems like IRIS-T is finding it difficult to intercept even 3M-54 Kalibr. Why does Russia need to "confuse" their air defence units with cruise missiles that travel at supersonic or hypersonic speed?

    The point is that Russian missiles often contain jammers and decoys and other bits and pieces to distract incoming SAMs, plus no doubt the use of decoys to distract or dilute the effect of the defenders, with the added impact that probably 200km away there will be Su-35s and MiG-31BMs with Kh-31 ARMs and R-37M AAMs just watching to see what the Orcs do... if they turn on radar to try to intercept targets they can launch the ARMs and launch other air to ground weapons to take out the air defence systems that reveal themselves while trying to shoot down targets.

    And Garry deserves a beer for what he wrote to Papadragon.

    He is being disrespectful... I am not going to say Serbia special forces were pussies in their conflict against Albanian invaders over Kosovo... I don't even think it... the knew what they knew at the time and they did what they thought would work and if HATO didn't interfere the job would have been done and things would be fine.

    We don't have enough details about what is happening, but calling men in combat faggots for using tactical gear... well...

    Try to see the bright sides.
    At least he didn't call himself a fleet admiral.

    Rear Admiral at best considering his knowledge of lube...

    Russia is lacking in heavy drones (drones like Reaper) etc and recon drones that much is true and The Russians themselves stated this, I don't know why you are trying to defend it when the very guys your white knighting for have said your wrong on the fact

    The US refuses to supply Kiev with larger drones of the type you are talking about because they are just too vulnerable and would be easily shot down... they are also rather expensive... most medium and large US drones cost more than many Russian manned fighter aircraft.

    A certain Turkish drone was shot from the skies to the point where the Turkish makers asked they not be used because they are not intended to be used against an enemy with a working IADS network.

    Ukrs already using JDAMs. I wonder if they are actually as acurate as they claim. Wouldn’t they be easier to shootdown than HIMARS?

    TOR and Pantsir should be able to deal with them, as should BUK and S-350 if they are deployed.

    Could someone post the pics here, please? Because of the high level of freedom of speech in my country I´m not allowed to visit ZOKA´s Twitter feed!

    Gunners sight, not commanders sight... so not so amazing really...

    T-62 has a great potentiel. A new turret wouldn't be bad with a better protection of the crew against internal explosions like on t-90M.

    Not every tank job needs a 125mm gun... often a 115mm gun can get the job done and with ERA the armour is almost as good too, for a fraction of the price.

    Uh yeah JDAM has proven it's precision for over 20 years now. Surprising you'd even ask that.

    Not if they don't reach their target...

    BTW, apparently Ukraine only has 4 Leopard-2 tanks. So the talk about 12 already at the front is fantasy fiction. There is no point
    dribbling a handful of tanks to the front. If they are going to get value out of them, then they need to assemble the 300 for the same
    offensive. But we know that these offensives are hot air. Russian forces are not going to be withdrawing to enable a Kiev regime "win".

    Well that is their problem... using them one at a time across the entire front makes getting ammo and spares and trained support people impossible, while making dealing with them easy because one tank on its own is always the easiest problem to deal with... using even the old model Kornet you could kill it from 6.5km range easily enough and it wont know what hit it.

    Conversely grouping them together and the Russians might dig out their top attack submunitions artillery rockets to shower down death from 120km plus range till you don't have any armour left...

    but why T-62? wouldn't be better to modernize T-72 to the newest standard?

    For rear areas you don't need anything that powerful, and they have stocks of T-62s including spare parts and ammo... it makes sense to use them up in roles where they can do a good job while upgraded T-72s and T-90s go to the front line and fight Orc tanks.

    In Rear areas a T-90 wont fare better than a T-62 in an ambush with mines or IEDs, while its ability to deliver direct fire gun support will be good enough out to 3-4km with HE shells and HEAT shells and APFSDS rounds for armoured stuff.

    For each T-72 they could send they can send probably 3 or 4 T-62s for the same price and 3 or 4 T-62s will be more use.

    They are simpler and easier to use and maintain and operate too.

    kvs is a bit on high combining it with M1, but the difference is not so big as one would imagine.

    Yeah, I would not compare it with the M1 either but it is a rear area machine that wont encounter enemy armour most likely, it will be dealing with enemy sabotage groups for which its fire power will be plenty...

    Only disadvantage: no autoloader = 4 men crew with one poor dude as loader.

    One piece ammo is not so bad and as mentioned by Alamo it takes rather more than sparks or hot metal landing on it to set it off so it is safer than 125mm ammo.

    It can fire missiles too...

    Serbian schoolteacher didn't charge across flat terrain like a retard and got his turd pushed in by bunch of apes

    Especially not after advertising himself like some hot shit

    You'd think they would keep a low profile for a while until people forget how hard they got turboraped but I guess not

    Of course you heard something on the internet and believe it and now you judge them for it...

    Serbian teacher telling the world the guys killing nazis are faggots... have you changed sides again or is there an American with his gun to your face (and I am not suggesting that is a euphemism).

    If they were ordered to cross open ground and take a position I guess Serbian troops would refuse and go home?

    By that respect aircraft are too vulnerable to AD and so why make those.

    Manned aircraft have better situational awareness and self defense measures, while drones are mostly sitting ducks.

    The US military have said they wont send large drones to Kievs forces because they said they are too vulnerable to being shot down...

    This is the kind of petty flex that the US would do in response to Russia killing Americans in Ukraine. But we'll see

    Probably tracked it very accurately with NEBO with S-400 missiles ready to launch if it became necessary...


    Sorry but this is probably the most laughable post I've ever seen here.

    The equivalent for the US would be to use M60s for the task, which has the same gun and not that much less armour than the early model Abrams tanks... to be clear he specified the M1 Abrams and not a later model, so shit armour and no special optics for the commander... no pano sights let alone thermals for the commander, and a 105mm gun which is a good gun but not amazing and quite comparable to the 115mm smoothbore the T-62 carries.

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    Post  Kiko Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:01 am

    Russian assault groups took advantageous positions in Artemovsk, 03.12.2023.

    LPR officer Marochko: Russian assault groups took advantageous positions in Artemovsk.

    LUGANSK, March 12 - RIA Novosti. Assault detachments of the Wagner group occupy positions in the industrial zone of Artemovsk and create a springboard for further advancement, retired Lieutenant Colonel of the People's Militia of the LPR Andrey Marochko said on his Telegram channel.

    “The assault groups have taken advantageous positions on the territory of the Artemovsky metalworking plant in the industrial zone. They allow you to control the movement of the enemy, and also create a good springboard for the further advance of our troops,” he wrote.

    The other day, Marochko said that the Ukrainian command is trying to prevent the complete encirclement of Artemovsk and is moving all new units there, building up a grouping to the northwest and southwest of the city.

    Artemivsk is located in the Kiev-controlled part of the DPR north of Gorlovka. This is an important transport hub for supplying the Ukrainian group in the Donbass . In recent months, fierce battles have been going on outside the city. Russian troops have cut off or taken fire control of all the paved roads to the city, the slush that has begun is seriously complicating the delivery of ammunition and replenishment for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    https://ria.ru/20230312/artemovsk-1857310119.html

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    Post  nomadski Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:06 am

    Two observations :

    ( 1 )  The pincer around Artemovsk ( Bakhmut ) should close . The troops captured in the net , need processing , and if too many then danger of breakthroughs or Jaws of the pincer breaking by counter-offensive . Do not bite more than you can chew . Learn from the Silk- Worm , bite often and little .

    ( 2 ) The reactive armour Bricks need to be sensitive . I have seen too many that failed to explode, instead just scattering . Even if they go - off by dusting from MG , then they are within range of ATGW , and likely be attacked by them too . Or provide sheet steel armour over Bricks , to deflect bullets , and Bricks go-off when hit by missiles .

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zl6mxjWtJxs
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    Post  Tolstoy Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:31 am

    A few minutes ago, tried to take a picture of the Pantsir on top of the building but I gather it has been shifted to another location.

    Anyway, look at the streets, choc a bloc with traffic even on a Sunday morning. Western media is saying that because of a purported air raid alarm sounded in Moscow no one is taking to the streets.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:25 am

    As a ground launched version? Also, Gunship was right. It was old video, you simply can’t trust anything Ukrs posts, they keep recycling same videos. I give up, won’t believe even their own losses filmed. pirat

    Had another character tell me that Russian losses are up to x10 higher, and that there are multitudes of Russian bodies lying around in all the fields and forests which aren't being collected or accounted for

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    Post  Kiko Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:46 am

    CNN reported on the use of a unique missile by Russia in Ukraine, by Anton Nikitin for VZGLYAD. 03.12.2023.

    CNN: Russia is using a unique missile with an unstable flight path in Ukraine.

    The Russian Armed Forces have changed the tactics of missile attacks in the area of ​​the special operation, increasing their effectiveness, according to US media.

    Justin Bronk, a research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute in London, told US television channel CNN that over the past six months, the Russian armed forces have increased the interval between rocket attacks, while at the same time using more missiles to make it harder for enemy air defenses to intercept them all.

    Bronk expressed doubts that Ukraine would be able to effectively resist such bombing, writes Ura.ru.

    Douglas Barry, senior researcher at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, for his part, noted that Russia during the special operation uses a combination of subsonic cruise missiles, high-speed aeroballistic missiles "Dagger", as well as other countermeasures.

    A CNN report says Russia has "developed a unique missile" to more easily target Ukraine's critical infrastructure.

    The speed of this missile, combined with the missile's unstable trajectory and high maneuverability, can make interception difficult.

    Earlier, military expert Oleksiy Leonkov said that the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is afraid of Russian hypersonic missiles, including the famous Kinzhals.

    https://vz.ru/news/2023/3/11/1202698.html

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    Post  Broski Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:06 pm

    A CNN report says Russia has "developed a unique missile" to more easily target Ukraine's critical infrastructure.
    I guess you can call secret NATO command centers in the Ukraine "critical infrastructure".

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    Post  Hole Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:15 pm

    Uh yeah JDAM has proven it's precision for over 20 years now.
    Apart from the 20 to 25% of the bombs that don´t hit their targets because of malfunctioning electronics.

    One piece ammo is not so bad
    Ammo is not the problem, but training 4 men crews again. 

    B-52H flying close to St. Petersburg
    That thing was on the radarscreens the second it left the runway. Nice target to break the current record for the longest shot down.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:37 pm

    A few minutes ago, tried to take a picture of the Pantsir on top of the building but I gather it has been shifted to another location.

    Anyway, look at the streets, choc a bloc with traffic even on a Sunday morning. Western media is saying that because of a purported air raid alarm sounded in Moscow no one is taking to the streets.

    I'm sure NATO intelligence will thank you for the confirmation Twisted Evil

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:47 pm

    "I'm sure NATO intelligence will thank you for the confirmation"

    I'm sure that none of the dozen plus NATO military attache in Moscow will have noticed. Shocked

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    Post  Hole Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:02 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #40 - Page 3 Fq9rzy10
    Typical Wikipedia double standards

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    Post  zare Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:07 pm


    Had another character tell me that Russian losses are up to x10 higher, and that there are multitudes of Russian bodies lying around in all the fields and forests which aren't being collected or accounted for

    x10 Russian losses is official propaganda.

    In some countries that cesspool is left only for the social media. In some other countries MSM picks it up and serves it around as news. In my country the biggest web portal won't say those numbers, but they'll make an article how Bakhmut is a meatgrinder (against Russians) and how Ukrainians won't back up and retreat because they're trying to grind as many Russians as they can, and they'll show pictures of fields of dead Russians. Then you scroll to comments and there'll be the 10x guys, artificially upvoted.

    "4-5 thousand Ukrainians is a great loss but they killed 50.000 Russians in Bakhmut"
    "After Bakhmut Ukrainians are just pulling back to nearest town and they'll kill 50.000 Russians again"


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    Post  Broski Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:08 pm

    Typical Wikipedia double standards
    If they were to list every belligerent giving support to the Ukraine financially, militarily or politically it would take up the whole page.

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    Post  Broski Sun Mar 12, 2023 1:31 pm

    In my country the biggest web portal won't say those numbers, but they'll make an article how Bakhmut is a meatgrinder (against Russians) and how Ukrainians won't back up and retreat because they're trying to grind as many Russians as they can, and they'll show pictures of fields of dead Russians.

    "4-5 thousand Ukrainians is a great loss but they killed 50.000 Russians in Bakhmut"
    "After Bakhmut Ukrainians are just pulling back to nearest town and they'll kill 50.000 Russians again"
    I consider this a good thing, now is not the time for NATO vassals to stop deluding themselves and come to their senses, there's so much more of Ukraine left to conquer and reintegrate into Russia.

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #40 - Page 3 W0CR3vM

    As for the status of the remaining territory (in yellow), Russia should borrow a few tricks from the U.S playbook.
    As a territory of the United States, Puerto Rico’s 3.2 million residents are U.S. citizens. However, while subject to U.S. federal laws, island-based Puerto Ricans can’t vote in presidential elections and lack voting representation in Congress. As a U.S. territory, it is neither a state nor an independent country.
    https://www.history.com/news/puerto-rico-statehood

    Minus citizenship, the rest sounds good to me. Landlocked Banderastan should neither be a part of Russia nor independent.

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    Post  George1 Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:24 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #40 - Page 3 Fq9rzy10
    Typical Wikipedia double standards

    The "foreign aid" link under the "supplied by" in ukraine is the "supported by" respectively


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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:47 pm

    Todays funnies, sorry lads no horoscopes today only Kirby:


    https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/ctmo/date/2023-03-09/segment/05

    KAITLAN COLLINS, CNN ANCHOR: Yes, but John, would it have helped if they had the Patriot missile battery system in this situation, which they still don't have?


    KIRBY: The Patriot battery system, the Patriot missile system is really designed to go after ballistic missiles. And it's not as effective on cruise missiles, and it's certainly not going to be effective against drones. So it's doubtful you could say if they had the Patriots it would make a huge difference in this particular type of barrage, because this was largely cruise missiles and drones.


    lets wrap it up : Patriot is a great AAD missile system yet not good against:
    drones
    cruise missiles and]
    hypersonic/aerobalistic missiles


    Sounds like kida insurance when the first Geran or Lancet lands on top Patriot battery




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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:49 pm

    "4-5 thousand Ukrainians is a great loss but they killed 50.000 Russians in Bakhmut"
    "After Bakhmut Ukrainians are just pulling back to nearest town and they'll kill 50.000 Russians again"

    and again and again till Ukraine runs out of manpower lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  pavi Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:58 pm

    @Flaming_python
    "
    The Kinzhal is a quasi-ballistic missile, pretty sure it will show up on NATO radar after launch

    It still won't be enough time to do much about it though"

    I'm wondering does these Kinzhals form plasma cloud which very efectively diminishes radar return?

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    Post  Arrow Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:08 pm

    Probably yes. See what happens with the ABM Sprint round, which also reached 10M but for a much shorter time.


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