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    Post  Scorpius Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:43 pm

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    Today is another anniversary. The original post on the resource has already been shamefully erased, but we remember. Especially for everyone who writes about Russia's UNPROVOKED attack on Ukraine.

    The theme was created by: 100% Pomoranch
    02/19/10 09:45 TODAY IS THE 56TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ENTRY OF CRIMEA INTO UKRAINE. On
    February 19, 1954, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR issued a decree "On the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR"
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    What lies behind this historical reference? To put it in Prokhanov's words, there is "metaphysics" behind it, i.e. the total historical bad luck of Russia and the civilizational hopelessness.

    Muscovites, only such enchanting idiots as you could so oversleep the most delicious morsel from the entire former scoop. Fucked up, and then drunk and legalized it!

    This is your pain, your humiliation, your shame! Live and suffer with it FOREVER!

    Oh, by the way. The words "Muscovites" (Moskali), "katsaps", "moksha" (And this is generally the name of one of the nationalities of the Volga region of Russia, and the Ukrainian "Aryans" thus hint at the genetic inferiority of Russians)) - have about the same semantic connotation as the word "Nigger" in the English-speaking sphere and are intended to offend. Unlike the Russian term "Hohol", which in fact has always been neutral. Guess what words are NOT banned on Facebook, Twitter and other Western social networks?

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    Post  Backman Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:41 pm

    Former president/pm of Ukraine says that regime change by force in Kiev will happen.

    https://www.youtube.com/live/hjlN5atdEl4?feature=share

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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:09 am

    In the latest video Mercouris discusses how the Washington run west is now pushing the Kiev regime to reclaim as much real estate as
    possible before next summer when NATzO will not be able to offer up any more volume of equipment. Then Elensky will have negotiations
    with Putin. Hence the yapping about some grand spring offensive by Kiev. These clowns are clearly terminally deluded. They really believe
    that all of the Russian withdrawals have been epic defeats.

    There are not going to be any negotiations with Elensky next summer to accept some 20% territorial compromise. Regime change is coming
    and NATzO is going to have to start a nuclear war to attempt to stop it.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:20 am

    @Cyberspec1
    Situation Bakhmut South
    The Russians might be aiming for the town of Kanal (next to Chasov Yar) through which the remaining functional supply road passes
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    @tretter50001
    Soledar direction
    situation by the end of February 18, 2023
    In the north, after the liberation of Paraskovievka, the assault detachments of the PMC "Wagner" are attacking the northwestern suburb of Bakhmut - Berkhovka.
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    @tretter50001
    Svatovskoe direction, February 18
    By today, the Russian army has completely completed the cleansing of the village of Gryanikovka.
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    Wagner troops appearing in Maruipol heading to the southern front. I’ve read that there are Wagner in Belarus too.
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    Some recent combat footage from the Kremmenaya direction.
    Z BTR-3D can be seen.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:03 am

    FP this indicates that Russia has not achieved air dominance over all of Ukraine after a year of war.

    No it does not, and they do have air dominance... what they don't have is air supremacy.

    VKS is only used near the front line. Targets deep inside Ukraine are being attacked by cruise missiles. Russia does not want to risk large VKS losses as the work can be done by cruise missiles.

    First of all the Russians have a wide range of standoff missiles... many of which are not cruise missiles in the conventional sense, so targets deeper behind the front line are being struck by air power... the fact that they are not flying their aircraft over the targets they are attacking is simply a result of using standoff weapons.

    How many aircraft do you think they should be happy losing to bomb insignificant areas of western Ukraine... the point of the conflict is to destroy the forces on the front line currently occupying Russian territory... they hit airfields and ammo dumps and facilities that repair and produce military equipment... would you like schools and churches to be bombed too?

    This also shows how dangerous a relatively modern anti-aircraft defense is for standard aviation. It is a huge challenge for modern aviation.

    Shows how effective even obsolete Soviet air defence stuff still is, even when its command is damaged... something the west is glossing over and largely ignoring...

    The Russian Air Force is not being used to win this war because no Air Force can win this war... it needs to be won on the ground.

    Yes. Thats why I think about the "neck". The current active frontline is pretty vast. I've heard estimates of well over 1000km with the "zigzagging". Thats the lines of engagement from Nikolaev to South of Kharkov. Plus having to defend ALL of the Russia-former Pukraine border and even bits of Belarus (far bigger than the active line).

    Attacking the Western Pukraine is about warning the Banderastanis that THEIR homes can be hit too. A way of concentrating their scummy minds.

    So you are saying the line of conflict is too long and so your solution is to add another 300km to fight and defend...??

    They are setting everyone up including Russia to under estimate it. So that when something happens, they will get a bigger propaganda effect from it.

    But how will that work when spies inside HATO tell the Russians what is actually happening, or for that matter when only 20 Leopard tanks are sent to Kiev officially and 100 burning Leopard tanks turn up in videos from Lancets to Attack helicopters and other sources...

    Yeah Im not going to browse through 50 pages of discussion from september. If you didnt say such a thing I apologize for my mistake. What was your take then?

    It is the doomsayers that are whiny little faggots complaining at this or that and demanding Russia does this or that to please them... any predictions made by any members are merely speculation... holding them accountable for being wrong, well when you are right about anything at all... even then you have no case.

    I remember that the "flaming python", among others, was especially vocal about the retreat being some sort of a super brilliant plan of the Russian military, and him openly claiming that "the Russian officers are professionals who know what they are doing." He got plenty of support from others.

    The thing is that the Russian Officers are professionals and do know what they are doing and as Belisarus posted, they are killing enemy soldiers priority one and not so fixated with holding territory... which they can always retake.

    If you though FP meant that Russian officers dictate the conflict and can control everything and have everything planned in advance and are just going down a list of things to do then you were mistaken.

    Kiev controls this war in the sense that at any time they can surrender. They are instead choosing to do other things which no one can plan for or anticipate until they actually do what they are going to do and it is up to the Russian forces to respond... now with weak attacks that can mean simply remaining in place and fighting them off, but in some attacks that means withdrawing in a fighting withdrawal doing as much damage as you go... knowing that in a short while in the future when you get more men and more ammo and you kill rather more of their men that you will eventually gradually creep forward and not just take back that territory but also the territory beyond that.

    Some locations dominate others and once they are secured then fighting in other places becomes practical and much safer because of a lack of having to watch your flanks.

    Anyone stating what they think will happen obviously need to be executed if they are wrong because obviously Limb and the Doom squad have been a 100% record in terms of being censored for Kiev. (for non english speakers the letter C and the letter K are very similar some times and in this case makes that rhyme even if not spelled the same...)

    They are not conducting any hunts for the draft dodgers in the western Ukraine and in Kiev and its surrounding environs. Looks like they intentionally want to use the ethnic non-Ukrainians as cannon fodder, at the same time, sparing the ethnic Ukrainians.

    There is a war on... if they don't want to fight for either side then ending up dead is probably the best outcome for Russia and what becomes Russia.

    Former president/pm of Ukraine says that regime change by force in Kiev will happen.

    Hope they delay it as long as possible... the longer they take the less they will end up with... but I am sure the west will be happy to write off their debt...

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    Post  Regular Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:50 am

    Papa wrote: One thing to remember about those bitches that are being dragged away by Ukrainian recruiters: those aren't conscious objectors or dissidents, those are DRAFT DODGERS

    They would love nothing more than for every single Russian to get strangled with a razor ribbon but they don't want to risk their own precious asses to help make it happen

    It's better if others die doing it instead of them

    These are the same shitbags which were jumping on Maidan 8 years ago, now they will get to jump even higher courtesy of bomb blasts

    Azov are more deserving of mercy than them


    Yes, these are the NAFO posters from Ukraine who finally need to back up what they say

    Also, Azov does get more mercy in reality. They are “juicy” POWs for Russia to exchange, all those mykolas from teroborona mean fuk all. Hell, they have people captured from March and no one from Ukraine are doing shit to get them back.
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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:36 am

    A former Ukrainian government member (Rostisalv Ishenko) who is a keen observer of the situation concludes that the US is pushing
    Poland to intervene into western Ukraine. It will then get them involved in a war with Russia with various provocations. This way the
    rapidly depleting supply of Ukr cannon fodder is replaced with Polish cannon fodder which will sooner rather than later involve more
    NATzO meat (e.g. Romanian, etc.). So he is discounting the talk from US officials about any grand push by Kiev. I think he is right, the
    idea that Kiev is supposed to achieve something is absurd. So the only way to keep achieve anything without a direct confrontation
    with Russia is to throw NATzO vassals into the fray.

    According to Ishenko the US badly underestimated Russia and thought that the conventional military capacity of Russia was similar to
    Ukraine. They listened to too much advice from all sorts of 5th column clowns and western "experts" who "do not know shit from shinola".
    Russia also listened to too much advice from Ukrainian sources who painted too rosy a picture of Ukrainian opposition to Kiev regime.
    The key mistake was that most Ukrainians swallowed the BS about integration into the EU. The difference is that the Russian mistake
    was manageable but the US mistake was catastrophic.

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    Post  Regular Sun Feb 19, 2023 4:55 am

    It is difficult for me to conceive of Ukraine running out of manpower, given the monstrous mobilisation efforts they have mounted. Reports indicate that they have already drafted approximately 500-600,000 personnel, and when we account for the inclusion of disabled, elderly, and underage individuals who will be conscripted regardless of their desires, the number could conceivably reach one million plus. It is worth noting that Ukraine has the option to follow the example of Israel by assigning women to combat roles, further augmenting their (wo)manpower pool.

    There are, however, thoughts over how Ukraine will supply and adequately train such a large number of personnel, particularly given the truncated boot camps that soldiers currently experience before being deployed to the front lines (two weeks or even less). Despite these challenges, Ukrainian forces appear to be undeterred by the prospect of high losses and the associated strain on morale, with both sides effectively trading lives (UA) for artillery shells (RU)

    While Poland may provide Leopard tank crews and Germany or other European countries could potentially contribute it too, it seems that Ukraine possesses an abundance of "cannon fodder”. In essence, Ukraine is an army with a country, and it is difficult to envision a scenario where even a wild projection of losses would not be catastrophic for their leadership. Nevertheless, they seem fully committed to their all-or-nothing approach, “to the last Ukrainian” is not a joke.

    With the key question being how long Russia can sustain mobilised forces before requiring another influx of troops to replace current mobiks?

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:05 am

    kvs wrote:A former Ukrainian government member (Rostisalv Ishenko) who is a keen observer of the situation concludes that the US is pushing
    Poland to intervene into western Ukraine....

    This would be a best case scenario and a dream come true

    You'd have NATO member Poland voluntarily leaving their safe space and getting into range of Russian Military

    Once they get lit up like a Christmas tree entire NATO and collective West would be faced with existential crisis where only way to not lose would be to directly attack Russia and everyone knows that USA would never trade Boston for Bonn (or Berlin or whatever city starts with B these days)

    Instant and total victory

    Let's just hope that Russia will man up and use nukes because that way two stupid taboos would be popped instead of just one




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    Post  Regular Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:12 am

    If delivering long range missiles to Ukraine is not a direct attack on Russia, then I don’t know what is it. Maybe, attack on Belgorod and Rostov? Or attack on Russian nuclear forces?

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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:15 am

    If they are not part of the solution then they are part of the problem... there will get to a point where the west is going to get sick of Zelensky and his antics and just plain tired of the problems of Ukraine when their own problems continue to bite... some will use it as a distraction, but many opposition parties will gain support by questioning western government policies of shoveling cash and resources at Kiev in a conflict they are not going to win on the battlefield... even assuming the western press is right and Russia has lost 1 million men and 10 thousand tanks... they don't seem to be running out or desperate to surrender just yet, while Kiev is not in a similar position.

    Are Ukrainian mothers going to be happy seeing their 15 year old sons being sent off to man guard posts after losing their older male family members over the last year... and why are all these young fit guys related to people in power or with connections walking around free and unmolested by the draft dodger gang.

    Honestly I don't think Putin has any urgent timetable and the longer this drags out the more the west has to find sanctions against Russia to make Russia stronger and more independent of the west and Europe... I rather doubt Putin will let things go back to the way that they were... as much as Germany and other European countries think they might or hope they might... Putin and Russia should really take everything that the west has done very personally and learn that life lesson and think about ties and trade with the rest of the world to trade with.

    Sending cheap energy to Asia to boost their economies and competitiveness... they produce all sorts of things and don't impose sanctions on Russia like the west does.

    The drive to create independent international structures and orgs and institutions should continue.... the world will be a better place for it... even if most of the west does not understand the situation they have created for themselves was evil and destructive... and was holding the whole of humanity back.

    Poland to intervene into western Ukraine....

    Polish troops in Ukraine become enemy combatants and all their logistics become fair game... if they are stupid enough to do that then good on them.... do they think Russia would ignore them and let them take any land they please? It is something the Poles do during times of war of course... they have a history of doing that...

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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:20 am

    Wasn't that long ago SS was ridiculing members for suggesting using nukes, but Russian law and rules are pretty clear... they can use nukes to defend Russian territory... it does not specify whether other countries need to accept Russian claims for territory so the Kurile islands or the donbass or Crimea all count as Russian as far as they are concerned...

    It is the funny thing about the western game of escalation... to play a good game of chicken you have to be prepared to not turn your car away and crash into the other guy... the difference is that the west is doing this for fun and for profit and for ideology, but as far as Russia is concerned when fighting the entire west in a political and economic and military conflict this is not about having fun.

    Putin genuinely did everything he could to avoid this position, which of course the west saw as weakness... so I guess when they launch nukes at Poland and make ultimatums to the rest of HATO to stand down or share their fate they will just say he is crazy.

    Don't think he cares what they think of him now though.

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Feb 19, 2023 5:49 am

    One thing to remember about those bitches that are being dragged away by Ukrainian recruiters: those aren't conscious objectors or dissidents, those are DRAFT DODGERS

    Draft dodgers mean that they don't see the need to waste their life for the war effort of the Maidan regime, for the very least.

    You can either push them away to the West by repeating ultranationalist an racist rhetoric against them, or you can at least neutralize them or even pull them to your side by making clear that they are not your targets, and if they don't support the war effort of the Maidan regime then you will left them unharmed.

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    Post  Backman Sun Feb 19, 2023 6:41 am

    The plot thickens about the missile attack and the dead medic again. The video is similar to the plane hitting the pentagon on 911 video.

    From Slavyngrad

    Western media reports that Reed's nemesis was a Russian Kornet missile. PMC Wagner's Evgeniy Prigozhin made a statement saying this was not possible and provided images to corroborate this.

    The explosion was simultaneously caught on 2 cameras, a dashcam and a phone, located in an ambulance across the road. The angle of the CNN-released dashcam video is such that the impact is not fully visible. The phone video (attached) has been released only as a 4-frame GIF, showing what appears to be a Russian Kornet missile as it strikes the van. Another walk-around video shows the aftermath of the event.

    The explosion and aftermath suggest the rear end of the van was impacted by a large projectile, which could have been a missile launched from the ground or air, a tank shell, or a shoulder-launched rocket such as an NLAW.

    I searched very thoroughly for the original sources of the first 2 videos and there don't appear to be any online. The dashcam video was released on CNN, and the GIF animation highlighting the alleged Kornet missile is in wide circulation.

    Until the original source footage of the phone video is released, there will be no way of telling if it does indeed show a Russian Kornet missile, or if the 3 frames were doctored. The GIF frames are very poor quality, and the missile could easily have been photoshopped in. Indeed the original source video of the phone footage remaining hidden is a red flag in my view.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:12 pm

    Dam straight I did when it comes to nukes, the amount of damage they cause, the decades long effects, the environmental damage etc is beyond what you all can imagine, nukes should only ever be a last resort.

    Also suggesting Russia has any moral right to use them to defend annexed territory is funny, is that the play countries should make now?

    Annex land and go "this is part of our country now, you attack us there we nuke you"

    That's asinine, and if you defend.that stance alright don't bitch is a country you don't like does it in the future

    Let me be clear of you support the use of nuclear weapons, unless it is in direct defense of your homeland (not counting annexed turf) then I honestly don't wanna see you bitch how the US is evil.because at that point you're no better.

    Unlikenyou, I have seen the effects, I have seen the after math, it's a horror show. I would never wish to subject and innocent soul to such a thing

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:19 pm

    oh smartphone was just accidentally filming at van where Russian Kornet was to hit accidently on time of hit. It actully could be Kornet. Some might have been captured by nazis.
    It only doesn't say anything who was firing it...

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Feb 19, 2023 1:23 pm

    @Seige.

    "Unlikenyou, I have seen the effects, I have seen the after mathh, it's a horror show. I would never wish to subject and innocent soul to such a thing"

    so you were in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? man you look good at your age. As for annexation - eh well US did use nukes to annex Japan But you don't mind it as I can see.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:00 pm

    Russkie busy running out of tanks.

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    Post  Regular Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:02 pm

    Apart from us discussing , who actually cares about these “volunteers”?

    They were dressed in military uniforms and driving civilian cars, same as Ukrainian army uses. Remember mortar video where artillery men just drove with civilian cars?

    Also, they all look the same in thermal camera. What distinguishes them from military target? Also, that video is suspicious as hell, due to identical frames, but could be just me. Anyway, It’s not like it was mother Teresa.

    There are volunteer who help civilians and act further away from the front and they don’t dress in military uniforms. For those who play combat medic, they will eventually see the combat. I believe that those helping civilians shouldn’t be put into harm way, but couldn’t care about those who willingly go to combat zones and then act surprised that they become targets.


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    Recent footage of frontline battles in Donetsk

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:27 pm

    Backman wrote:The plot thickens about the missile attack and the dead medic again....

    Who gives a shit?



    higurashihougi wrote:Draft dodgers mean that they don't see the need to waste their life for the war effort of the Maidan regime, for the very least.

    You can either push them away to the West by repeating ultranationalist an racist rhetoric against them, or you can at least neutralize them or even pull them to your side by making clear that they are not your targets, and if they don't support the war effort of the Maidan regime then you will left them unharmed.

    Would they also like a movie date? A fancy dinner​? Some nice jewelry? Meeting their parents as well?

    Here's a better idea: how about they all just get killed alongside all the other Nazis and in the process you simply eliminate all the mystery, uncertainty and superfluous guesswork?




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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:31 pm

    Would they also like a movie date? A fancy dinner​? Some nice jewelry? Meeting their parents as well?

    Here's a better idea: how about they all just get killed alongside all the other Nazis and in the process you simply eliminate all the mystery, uncertainty and superfluous guesswork?

    These "the mystery, uncertainty and superfluous guesswork" are the things that every strategists aim to do.

    Every war is meant to gain the people and gaining the people is also essential to win the war.

    Never heard of 民運 (dân vận - persuading the people) or 兵運 (binh vận - persuading the troopers), or 敌運 (địch vận - persuading the enemy) ?

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    Ukrainian Nahtsee Korchinsky In Ukraine, proposed to create concentration camps for Russians in order to weed out collaborators
    "West civilised society" supporting intriguing persons like him...


    Fascists as they are...

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