Russia Defence Forum

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


+71
marcellogo
Mir
Rodion_Romanovic
RTN
zepia
Begome
diabetus
GreyHog
zare
Belisarius
Azi
sepheronx
franco
VARGR198
pavi
ludovicense
George1
d_taddei2
mack8
Krepost
SolidarityWithRussia
11E
PapaDragon
Tolstoy
lyle6
limb
Broski
Sujoy
ArgentinaGuard
ucmvulcan
wilhelm
Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E
JohninMK
Erk
Kiko
Podlodka77
GunshipDemocracy
Big_Gazza
PhSt
TMA1
The-thing-next-door
Firebird
DerWolf
zorobabel
Airbornewolf
famschopman
Werewolf
Scorpius
Arkanghelsk
billybatts91
Walther von Oldenburg
kvs
SeigSoloyvov
Isos
Hole
Serberus
nomadski
Arrow
Ispan
Backman
thegopnik
ALAMO
Regular
higurashihougi
flamming_python
Lapain
caveat emptor
dionis
Dr.Snufflebug
mnztr
GarryB
75 posters

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    avatar
    Dr.Snufflebug


    Posts : 1131
    Points : 1129
    Join date : 2017-12-27

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:32 am

    Seems like they are prepping the audience for the loss of Bakhmut.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/01/europe/ukraine-soldiers-fighting-wagner-intl-cmd/index.html

    They have to "sugarcoat" it, and to do so they follow the classic Nazi pattern.

    In order to explain why a racially, tactically, materialistically superior force might be forced to retreat, it's because the enemy it is facing naturally uses:

    Neverending human wave attacks consisting of poorly equipped cannon fodder that act like actual zombies (sic), who mindlessly walk into the bullet rain, stepping over their own dead in order to advance a few meters etc. They get shot but don't go down easily, must be drugs. And once 200 or so have been killed, the few actually combat-capable troops that the untermenschen can muster move in and try to surprise the now very weary Ukrainians.

    It's like copy-pasted from some of the wild German post-war memoirs, that were taken as fact in much of the west for the longest time until more serious research finally took place.

    Nevermind that this fantasy tale is completely at odds with footage we have and the testimonials of others (ie western volunteers/mercs) from thereabouts.


    Last edited by Dr.Snufflebug on Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:40 am; edited 1 time in total

    GarryB, d_taddei2, Big_Gazza, kvs, zepia, starman, Hole and like this post

    avatar
    mnztr


    Posts : 2936
    Points : 2974
    Join date : 2018-01-21

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  mnztr Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:35 am

    So after Bakhmut, a week of consolidation, then they start the steady push back?
    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 40710
    Points : 41212
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:48 am

    Lol how could Ukraine have lost over 6000 tanks if it had slightly more than 2000 at the start?

    Tanks lost in battle can often be recovered and reused... sometimes several times. The vast majority of times when a tank is taken out it can be repaired and reused.

    They likely had 2-3 thousand tanks at the start of the conflict but the countries of HATO, particularly the eastern nations have been feeding them with tanks and aircraft for quite some time, they had plenty of T-72 related vehicles they could deliver... and probably did with the US promise to replace the aircraft with F-16s and the tanks with Abrams no doubt.

    Sounds like a good deal till you find out you will have to change everything to operate the different gear that is not compatible with any of your equipment and probably means all your tools need to change to inches and feet and pounds and ounces... have fun with that... and they wont be cheap either.

    One more documented use of chemicals by Ukrainians.

    Something that needs to be investigated...

    It's like copy-pasted from some of the wild German post-war memoirs, that were taken as fact in much of the west for the longest time until more serious research finally took place.

    Nevermind that this fantasy tale is completely at odds with footage we have and the testimonials of others (ie western volunteers/mercs) from thereabouts.

    Actually sounds like their own tactics not long ago in their advances... the problem for them is that the losses ledger seems to count against their version of events being any ones tactics other than their own.

    flamming_python, Big_Gazza, kvs, Hole and Podlodka77 like this post

    higurashihougi
    higurashihougi


    Posts : 3444
    Points : 3531
    Join date : 2014-08-13
    Location : A small and cutie S-shaped land.

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  higurashihougi Mon Feb 06, 2023 5:58 am

    (hand rising) I would like to ask a question Question Question Idea how can the Wagner soldier managed to recognized that the people in uniform in front of him are civilians dressed in uniform forced by the Maidan regime to be the cannon fodder ?

    Does these civilians expressed some distinctive behavior that an experienced soldier can tell them apart from an enlisted Maidan troopers ?

    Disclaimer: this question have no offensive meaning and I simply want to know.

    GarryB likes this post

    avatar
    Dr.Snufflebug


    Posts : 1131
    Points : 1129
    Join date : 2017-12-27

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Feb 06, 2023 6:07 am

    Hole wrote:
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Fonz0r10
    Balloon above Germany, must be the GRU!

    The coat of arms she's holding is that of Sergiev Posad, basically the HQ of the Russian Orthodox Church.

    So, I have questions.

    GarryB
    GarryB


    Posts : 40710
    Points : 41212
    Join date : 2010-03-30
    Location : New Zealand

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 06, 2023 6:23 am

    Does these civilians expressed some distinctive behavior that an experienced soldier can tell them apart from an enlisted Maidan troopers ?

    I suspect they drop or don't carry firearms and seek cover without firing at the Russians or perhaps given the opportunity fire at the positions they are leaving moving forward.

    Normally recon forces are elite forces... not fat old unarmed men.

    flamming_python, kvs, Hole, Broski and Belisarius like this post

    Broski
    Broski


    Posts : 778
    Points : 776
    Join date : 2021-07-12

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  Broski Mon Feb 06, 2023 6:58 am

    Does these civilians expressed some distinctive behavior that an experienced soldier can tell them apart from an enlisted Maidan troopers ?
    I'm pretty sure a chainsmoking, 45yr old, overweight conscript ripped off the streets of Kiev, Odessa or Kherson one month ago would look and behave quite differently from a hardened, Neonazi war vet or NATO mercenary.

    GarryB, kvs, Hole, Backman and Belisarius like this post

    avatar
    Dr.Snufflebug


    Posts : 1131
    Points : 1129
    Join date : 2017-12-27

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:29 am

    Prigozhin reportedly flew as co-pilot/WSO in an actual Su-24 CAS raid on Ukrainian positions.

    Funny.

    Also, VVP is said to be visiting the SMO area soon. The SBU will no doubt do everything to thwart it. Hell, including suicidal VBIED attacks.

    GarryB, kvs, Broski and Belisarius like this post

    avatar
    ALAMO


    Posts : 7625
    Points : 7715
    Join date : 2014-11-25

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  ALAMO Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:01 am

    Ukroisis at it's best Laughing

    Hole and Broski like this post

    avatar
    Dr.Snufflebug


    Posts : 1131
    Points : 1129
    Join date : 2017-12-27

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:18 am

    That's the thing though, innit.

    Zelensky received explicit assurances that nobody would attempt to off him, hence his "bravery". I mean, we knew this already (ie when Zelensky visited various frontline or near-frontline cities, well within range of Russian PGMs, and nothing happened), but Bennetts recent admissions really sealed the deal ("and two hours after Zelensky was reassured, he left the bunker and returned to his office,  took a selfie and solemnly declared 'I'm staying'")... Of course, being the showman that he is, he had to flesh it out further by claiming twelve or so "attempted assassinations" out of the blue, as well. Because of course.

    Meanwhile, the Ukrainians DO try to kill any and all Russian/Republican officials or people of some real or perceived importance they think they can get to, whether by attempted precision strikes (eg on Pushilin, Prigozhin, Rogozin et al) or by car bombings etc (too many to count, mostly on turncoat officials in former Ukrainian territories but also on people such as activists, even inside Russia proper, eg Dugin/Dugina).

    But the former is super brave, while the latter are cowards for minding their security. Of course.

    Ukraine has killed countless random, innocent civilians in these attempts. "Ukroisis" sounds apt. The Kerch bridge bombing wasn't directed at anyone in particular, but it was a suicide attack. To make matters worse, unlike ISIS who at the very least tend to have their own dedicated zealots willing to sacrifice their lives, the SBU planted a bomb with an unsuspecting truck driver. Quite literally the lowest of the low.



    Last edited by Dr.Snufflebug on Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:38 pm; edited 2 times in total

    GarryB, flamming_python, kvs, ALAMO, Hole, Broski and Belisarius like this post

    avatar
    ALAMO


    Posts : 7625
    Points : 7715
    Join date : 2014-11-25

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  ALAMO Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:20 am

    Maybe Hole is right, and by "new territories" they mean Mali or CAR Laughing Laughing Laughing

    GarryB, flamming_python, kvs, Broski and Podlodka77 like this post

    avatar
    Arrow


    Posts : 3598
    Points : 3588
    Join date : 2012-02-12

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  Arrow Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:21 am

    Record from Sosna U Smile

    https://vk.com/video-123538639_456295580

    GarryB, flamming_python, kvs, Hole, Broski and Podlodka77 like this post

    billybatts91
    billybatts91


    Posts : 759
    Points : 761
    Join date : 2022-02-23

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  billybatts91 Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:22 am

    GarryB, flamming_python, xeno, starman and Belisarius like this post

    avatar
    Dr.Snufflebug


    Posts : 1131
    Points : 1129
    Join date : 2017-12-27

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:42 am

    Officials in the Kaluga region say that a Soviet-era Tu-141 jet surveillance drone retrofitted with an explosive warhead (an old OFAB-100-120 cluster bomb that had been MacGyvered onto it, to be precise) crashed in a forest outside of Kaluga city. The bomb and its submunitions did not go off, nobody was injured, nothing was damaged.

    Fascinating.

    They say the contraption flew at an "extremely low altitude" (below 50m) and thus somehow evaded air defence for quite a while, until it crashed into a tree.

    GarryB and kvs like this post

    avatar
    ALAMO


    Posts : 7625
    Points : 7715
    Join date : 2014-11-25

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  ALAMO Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:57 am

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Photo117

    Wonder if they are using Mad Max as manual scratch

    flamming_python, kvs, Hole, Broski, Belisarius and Podlodka77 like this post

    franco
    franco


    Posts : 7075
    Points : 7101
    Join date : 2010-08-18

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  franco Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:03 pm

    Post higurashihougi Today at 12:58 am
    (hand rising) I would like to ask a question Question Question Idea how can the Wagner soldier managed to recognized that the people in uniform in front of him are civilians dressed in uniform forced by the Maidan regime to be the cannon fodder ?

    Does these civilians expressed some distinctive behavior that an experienced soldier can tell them apart from an enlisted Maidan troopers ?

    Disclaimer: this question have no offensive meaning and I simply want to know.


    From the original video that I saw the Wagner spokesmen said that they would walk out into the center of the road and do a dance as if trying to get someone to shoot at them. This was so peculiar that Wagner observed further and spotted the regular Ukrainians under cover off to the sides.

    GarryB, flamming_python, kvs, Hole and Broski like this post

    franco
    franco


    Posts : 7075
    Points : 7101
    Join date : 2010-08-18

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  franco Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:07 pm


    Lol how could Ukraine have lost over 6000 tanks if it had slightly more than 2000 at the start?


    Tanks lost in battle can often be recovered and reused... sometimes several times. The vast majority of times when a tank is taken out it can be repaired and reused.

    They likely had 2-3 thousand tanks at the start of the conflict but the countries of HATO, particularly the eastern nations have been feeding them with tanks and aircraft for quite some time, they had plenty of T-72 related vehicles they could deliver... and probably did with the US promise to replace the aircraft with F-16s and the tanks with Abrams no doubt.

    Sounds like a good deal till you find out you will have to change everything to operate the different gear that is not compatible with any of your equipment and probably means all your tools need to change to inches and feet and pounds and ounces... have fun with that... and they wont be cheap either.


    This had to do with the amounts of losses on that supposedly Mossad report and the category was "Tanks and other armoured vehicles" (not just Tanks as he had assumed)

    GarryB likes this post

    franco
    franco


    Posts : 7075
    Points : 7101
    Join date : 2010-08-18

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  franco Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:10 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug Today at 6:42 am
    Officials in the Kaluga region say that a Soviet-era Tu-141 jet surveillance drone retrofitted with an explosive warhead (an old OFAB-100-120 cluster bomb that had been MacGyvered onto it, to be precise) crashed in a forest outside of Kaluga city. The bomb and its submunitions did not go off, nobody was injured, nothing was damaged.

    Fascinating.

    They say the contraption flew at an "extremely low altitude" (below 50m) and thus somehow evaded air defence for quite a while, until it crashed into a tree.


    This was the same device used in the previous attacks on Russian airbases. There is a large Tu-22M3 base located in Kaluga region, would suspect that was the target.

    GarryB, flamming_python, kvs, ALAMO, JohninMK, Broski, Belisarius and Podlodka77 like this post

    Walther von Oldenburg dislikes this post

    avatar
    Dr.Snufflebug


    Posts : 1131
    Points : 1129
    Join date : 2017-12-27

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:21 pm

    If the drone was going for Shaikova airbase but ended up crashing outside Kaluga city, then it must have strayed off course.

    GarryB likes this post

    Rodion_Romanovic
    Rodion_Romanovic


    Posts : 2674
    Points : 2843
    Join date : 2015-12-30
    Location : Merkelland

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:27 pm

    Can infantry fighting vehicles like the BMP3, the Dardo or the Bradley be considered something like "light tanks"?

    In comparison to Main Battle Tanks (MBT) like T-72, T-90, Abraham, Leopard, C1 Ariete, etc.
    Hole
    Hole


    Posts : 11164
    Points : 11142
    Join date : 2018-03-24
    Age : 48
    Location : Scholzistan

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  Hole Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:31 pm

    HQ of the Russian Orthodox Church.
    Can´t remember if it was AH or Stalin who said that the Catholic church has the best spy service in the world, because their priests are everywhere.  Very Happy

    be considered something like "light tanks"?
    By western presstitutes and politicians but not by military experts.
    The only thing delivered that could be called a light tank is the french ARX-10 because it has a 105mm gun.

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Scree586
    Russian soldiers using a 2A14 23mm cannon.  Very Happy

    GarryB, psg, kvs, Broski and Belisarius like this post

    flamming_python
    flamming_python


    Posts : 9685
    Points : 9743
    Join date : 2012-01-30

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  flamming_python Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:01 pm

    Can infantry fighting vehicles like the BMP3, the Dardo or the Bradley be considered something like "light tanks"?

    They can be considered as infantry fighting vehicles

    Light tanks are those such as the PT-76, Sprut-SD, AMX-10, the new Chinese Type 15, and so on

    GarryB and d_taddei2 like this post

    Hole
    Hole


    Posts : 11164
    Points : 11142
    Join date : 2018-03-24
    Age : 48
    Location : Scholzistan

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  Hole Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:06 pm

    Wonder if they are using Mad Max as manual Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Icon_scratch
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Fosdgl10

    GarryB, flamming_python, kvs and Podlodka77 like this post

    Podlodka77
    Podlodka77


    Posts : 2589
    Points : 2591
    Join date : 2022-01-06
    Location : Z

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  Podlodka77 Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:10 pm

    After 2S35 "Koalitsiya-SV (SV; land army)" and T-14 (object 148) as far as I'm concerned 2S38 "Derivatsiya-PVO" is the most impressive new weapon system.
    The only vehicle that is not particularly impressive to me is the VPK-7829 "Bumerang". Although, I'm not a particular fan of wheeled APCs.

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 92d4a710


    Last edited by Podlodka77 on Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:18 pm; edited 1 time in total

    psg, kvs and Belisarius like this post

    Hole
    Hole


    Posts : 11164
    Points : 11142
    Join date : 2018-03-24
    Age : 48
    Location : Scholzistan

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  Hole Mon Feb 06, 2023 1:16 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 For3iz10
    Nothing compared to this.  lol1 lol1 lol1

    GarryB, psg, Firebird, Werewolf, Airbornewolf, Big_Gazza, kvs and like this post


    Sponsored content


    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #37

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Tue Dec 10, 2024 2:51 am