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    Post  Hole Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:06 pm

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    Moving towards Seversk.

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    Post  billybatts91 Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:50 am

    Hilarious...

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    Post  Backman Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:54 am

    ^ I just watched that. Russia has to keep the pedal to the metal now. We were here before. Don't lose the momentum.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Feb 03, 2023 5:45 am

    These threats from Putin and Peskov are getting very pathetic

    @Arrow
    What do you expect... the west has been threatening tanks for months and for months Russia has been saying if they send tanks then those tanks will be destroyed and the suffering of the Ukrainian people will continue for longer.

    When the west actually gets tanks into the Ukraine is when Putin and Peskov and others can follow through on their threats, so it is not pathetic at all.

    What is pathetic is the west escalating a war they know Kiev can't win and pretty soon they will realise the more weapons and equipment they send to Kiev the more land and lives Russia is going to take... but the west don't care because they could care less about the Ukraine... they are giving an alcoholic as much booze as they can make... because the alcoholic wants booze...

    So to me the question isn't whether Putin will do something. But WHAT will Putin do

    Most likely destroy the armour with drones and at the same time hit the logistical means of moving the tanks too... these trucks and trains that shift armour can be destroyed to make moving supplies around the country more difficult for everyone on their side... the west will complain that delivering food and essentials has become impossible... well tough.

    Left to right, if someone needs a guide :
    Ch-58, Grom, Ch-59, Ch-101, Ch-22(32?)
    The one in the background I can't recognize. It can me some derivative of Kalibr, maybe R-500?

    Actually the fact that it is over with the SAMs and looking at the tail and body I was thinking it might be a new model Kh-69 but with a rounded nose with an anti radiation seeker for hitting ground based radar emitting targets like the new systems the west are delivering. The range of the missile would make it useful in terms of standoff range, and together with the new model Kh-31s would be rather useful I would think.
    (As Hole points out it is extreme upgraded Kh-59 and not grom with the new box shape now called Kh-69).

    Putin is slow to act. But when he does act, he hits hard. Even if it looks difficult to some.

    He is not slow to act... he just takes violence and military solutions as being the last option instead of the first the way the west does.

    Complaining he has not reacted to the west sending tanks is ridiculous because they haven't appeared on the battlefield yet... but of course LMUR will be ideal for finding them and taking them out... amongst an enormous range of other missiles and submunition types designed specifically for the role.

    Those enormous flat topped turrets with blow out roof panels are a huge targets for HEAT and self forging fragment top attack munitions from Russian cluster bombs including glide bombs and rocket artillery.

    Aaaaah ... Right!
    They used to call it Ch-59MK2.

    Makes it tricky when the change them like that... with its box shape it looks very different from the Kh-59 family AS-13, AS-18 series missiles...

    I didn't notice your mistake till Hole pointed it out...

    My question is, what's the missile in the back right (light green)? A new glide bomb?

    It seems to have the square sides and wings and tail surfaces of the Kh-69, but that rounded nose is not like the Kh-69 so I am guessing it is an ARM version of the Kh-69 that fits in internal weapon bays better.

    A group of Ukrainian soldiers - trained at a British military base last summer - surrendered just 20 minutes after encountering Russian forces near Svyatogorsk in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic. “Grow troops for 3 years, use troops for 20 minutes” great.

    The problem of sending your best and brightest for special training is that they are not stupid enough to sacrifice their own lives so officials in the west and Ukraine can line their pockets before abandoning the shit show when the smoke starts to clear.

    First RF Combat robots arrive at the Ukrainian frontline.

    A good opportunity to send live robots against defences I would think... even just having monitoring stations watching for where enemy fire comes from and suppressing it means they can send robots instead of T-72s with three men.

    ^ I just watched that. Russia has to keep the pedal to the metal now. We were here before. Don't lose the momentum.

    This time the Russians have a lot more men and equipment and have revised the make up of their forces to better suit the situation and the Orcs don't have enormous reserves they can throw at the line to force a withdrawal (even if at great cost).

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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:24 am

    5 weeks of training? Why doesn't NATO just save the Russians the trouble, shoot 400 Ukrainians and pack the tanks with explosives and blow them up?

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    Post  Sujoy Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:04 am

    Within the last 12 hours Mikolajevka has been liberated.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:02 am

    Actually the fact that it is over with the SAMs and looking at the tail and body I was thinking it might be a new model Kh-69 but with a rounded nose with an anti radiation seeker for hitting ground based radar emitting targets like the new systems the west are delivering. The range of the missile would make it useful in terms of standoff range, and together with the new model Kh-31s would be rather useful I would think.
    (As Hole points out it is extreme upgraded Kh-59 and not grom with the new box shape now called Kh-69).


    Or ...
    The thing looks small.
    Maybe it is announced smaller ranged & cheaper cruise missile they talked about for a while? dunno
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    Post  Arrow Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:24 am

    Maybe it's Kh 50? scratch
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    Post  Kiko Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:11 am

    Russian troops encircle the town of Ugledar in the Donetsk People's Republic, 02.03.2023.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russian forces have taken up a semicircle position over the city of Ugledar, located in the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), Igor Kimakovsky, adviser to the acting head of the region, said.

    "There is a gradual encirclement of the city. It is actually already in a semicircle from the east and southeast. The seizure of the city follows the same pattern as in Artiomovsk: to take the city 'in pincers,'" Kimakovsky said.

    The adviser specified that Russian soldiers already control the eastern area of Artiomovsk, a city called Bakhmut by the Ukrainian regime. Russian forces close the circle around Artiomovsk after the liberation of Soledar, roughly 12 kilometers to the north.

    Kimakovsky also informed that Zelensky is hastily sending additional troops to Artiomovsk, an important center for the supply of the regime's forces in Donetsk, since February 2.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:23 am


    And yet the US is holding back on the GLSDB Laughing

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    Post  RTN Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:28 am

    Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB) that the U.S will send to Ukraine will make a big difference. GLSDB is capable of reverse slope engagements and defeating multiple threats including hardened facilities.

    GLSDB is launcher independent, which means any launcher of the M270/M142 interface can be used.


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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:39 am

    RTN Today at 9:28 am

    Look at it, and the menthol is here..
    We already know that you smoke too much Western propaganda.

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    Post  RTN Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:48 am

    Russian tank crews have some stunningly bad situational awareness. Too many videos of them engaging infantry at extremely close range, plus this is some serious lack of communication, either not receiving or idk.

    Most Russian MBTs lack the independent commander sights except for T-90M.
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    Post  RTN Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:50 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:Look at it, and the menthol is here..
    We already know that you smoke too much Western propaganda.
    Stop posting videos of your parents. They look real ugly.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Feb 03, 2023 9:57 am

    RTN Today at 9:50 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Look at it, and the menthol is here..
    We already know that you smoke too much Western propaganda.

    Stop posting videos of your parents. They look real ugly.



    When you are in a "duel" with someone, you leave other people aside.
    Mentioning someone's parents is stupid, but we already know on the forum that it's easier to put it in your ass than in your head - it is empty ... dunno

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:02 am

    Every tank has bad situational awareness. That's why they need infantry in support. Doesn't even matter what sights and whatever they have on them. I never been in one but it's not hard to imagine. You're in a metal battleship on land with no windows, just a few slits and periscopes that you can rotate; but you don't hear anything, you don't catch things in your peripheral vision, you don't see the wildlife running away from some direction or whatever else.

    You do however have thermal sights and can see things from a great distance away, provided you're looking in the right direction that is. If you're lying in wait in ambush, then you can catch the enemy at the most inconvenient moment for them.

    The real question should be why do we see tanks operating w/o infantry support. And I think it's a valid one. But much of it we can just chalk down to the chaos of war and the sheer scale of it. Typically, they do operate with infantry close by.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:13 am

    The scale of the fights themselves is not large now. Mostly Wagner fights and some Pacific Marines and that's it.
    Any maneuvering activities have ended in the Zaporovskie direction. VDV operate there. Interestingly, there are no such fortifications as in Donbass. Why is it going so slow?


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    Post  nomadski Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:29 am


    The SDB , I read is semi- active laser ; meaning it needs target to be illuminated by ground or air laser . The laser is coded signal , like when you go to super-market till and the code reader gets stuck ! Because they scan too fast . Also there can be laser counter- measures , an Iranian invented a rotating Crystal prism , reflecting laser beam to blind satellites . Obscurants , especially modern ones with additives , can be very effective . Of course the laser source is visible by scopes , and source can be taken out . The greatest weakness are launch vehicles , and they are vulnerable to missiles and Drones . The Americans and NATO , are wrong with supply of offensive weapons to Kiev .
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    Post  Arrow Fri Feb 03, 2023 10:30 am

    According to Acting Interior Minister Igor Klimenko, the brigades were named Hurricane, Krasnaya Kalina, Kara-Dag, Frontier, Spartan, Azov, Steel Frontier and Rage. "Offensive Guards" are professional assault brigades of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Teams of patriotic fighters who seek to exterminate the enemy and liberate the occupied lands of Ukraine. The National Guard of Ukraine invites you to Hurricane, Krasnaya Kalina, Kara-Dag, Rubezh, Spartan and the legendary Azov. The State Border Guard Service of Ukraine is waiting for you in the Steel Frontier Brigade. And in the National Police of Ukraine - in the Lyut assault brigade, - said I. O. minister. The Ministry of Internal Affairs reports that the new brigades "will take part in the liberation of Lugansk, Donetsk and Crimea." wrote:

    Kyiv to form 8-10 new heavy brigades with combat vehicles from the USA and the West.
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    Post  Serberus Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:34 am

    With the liberation of Belogorovka now confirmed, LNR is fully free of Nazi taint for a second and hopefully final time.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:45 am

    ... what means Seversk being encircled from the north and south as we speak.

    Edit :
    Holly cow Laughing
    SDZ writes that the Germans approved 88 pcs of ... Leopard 1 tanks to be transferred.
    But the problem is that they lack any ammo for them Laughing Laughing
    It is really getting ridiculous.


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    Post  Werewolf Fri Feb 03, 2023 11:47 am

    5 weeks of training? Why doesn't NATO just save the Russians the trouble, shoot 400 Ukrainians and pack the tanks with explosives and blow them up?

    And take away easy EXP points to our guys? Let them get the experience and train for harder targets.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:03 pm

    Anyway that means that most european countries will soon be out of military equipment.

    Probably USA is glad because they can then sell them a lot of new and overexpensive stuff, but it also mean that for a while they will not be able to mount a proper defence in case of real Military conflict.

    I do not believe US or any other country except Russia or China is currently able to produce (or refurbish) tanks in an acceptable rate to cover for war losses.

    And to refurbish you still need to at least have tanks which are still in decent shape and have modernisation potential.

    Apparently in 2020 Russia still had something like 8000 older T72 in storage. Even if the majority of them were not fit for refurbishment and modernisation, they still represent a pool of resources larger than all of NATO countries together.

    By the way, in my country (Italy) there are several US bases, one of which, Capm Darby (between Livorno and Pisa) is quite large and probably hosts more serviceable tanks and combat vehicles than Germany.

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