Russian special military operation in Ukraine #31

franco wrote:
How does Crimea lose water supply. It is on the east side of the Dnieper as is the Crimea.

It does not matter, they are in a doomer rage because Russkie did what was expected for more than a month.
After evacuating the civils, and we still don't know if they truly did.
And what we already know for months, that they feel no sad&sorrow trading land for Ukr blood.

Almost the whole Kherson region was taken with little fighting, local authorities decided to cooperate. But now after RF forces left the right bank of the Dniepr, it will be harder to gain these territories back.
Also I think the main reason of leaving is flooding of large territory due to possibility of Kahovkia HPP being destroyed from constant AFU shelling.
There has been massive evacution of civilians, almost no one is left there. Now it's for the military to regroup.
Personally for me it's also sad to see this happening, but I also undertand the reasons behind it.

limb wrote:Let's surrender Stalingrad to the Nazis for the sake of saving the lives of Soviet soldiers and stabilizing the front line along the Volga River.

People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR I.V. Stalin
November 1942.

The Communists had an ideology - they believed in something and were willing to die for it. They also had the benefit of late Imperial Russian demographics. The North Vietnamese routinely traded 10:1 losses with the American and won the war. Modern Russia has no real ideology - a mishmash of competing nostalgia - and Putin himself is a product of the neoliberal wing. Russia also has horrendous demographics - not made better by a disastrous war and sanctions. How many young women are cheerfully planning on a large family in (non-Muslim) Russia?

franco wrote:

How does Crimea lose water supply. It is on the east side of the Dnieper as is the Crimea.

Well for starters, Nova Kakhova Dam is there. Ukrainians may opt now to destroy the dam and without Russian forces holding from the otherside, it could be a one sided battle. if the dam is breached, not only flood that will occur but also the fact that water level will decrease. The canal relies on the water level to maintain its flow to Crimea.

This is the terrain feature of the Nova Kakhova Dam.



The water level of the Reservoir is kept higher there to allow the canal to be naturally gravity fed before artificially raised in Dzhankoi by pumps. if the dam is destroyed or Ukrainian opt to lower the water level there, the canal could be starved out of water. Thus you have another Crimea water crisis.

ALAMO wrote:

franco wrote:
How does Crimea lose water supply. It is on the east side of the Dnieper as is the Crimea.

It does not matter, they are in a doomer rage because Russkie did what was expected for more than a month.
After evacuating the civils, and we still don't know if they truly did.
And what we already know for months, that they feel no sad&sorrow trading land for Ukr blood.

Not shocked at all around here neither, unlike the earlier losses in Kharkov which did came as a bad surprise. But considering how little these "victories" have been exploited by the AFU. If the civies have been taken properly care of, then the Kherson retreat pretty much amounts to the "Snake Island Victory" which to this day, has proven to be a total joke for the AFU other than spur up the Churchill stance idiocy that is somehow revered in the West.

That being said, now keep trashing the AFU and take Bakhmut!

Who is for mobilizing 1m men?

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Who is for mobilizing 1m men?

Nobody, Russia doesn't need 1 million and the Ukraine can't mobilize 1 million.

Broski wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Who is for mobilizing 1m men?

Nobody, Russia doesn't need 1 million and the Ukraine can't mobilize 1 million.

What is the best course of action now?

calripson wrote:

limb wrote:Let's surrender Stalingrad to the Nazis for the sake of saving the lives of Soviet soldiers and stabilizing the front line along the Volga River.

People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR I.V. Stalin
November 1942.

The Communists had an ideology - they believed in something and were willing to die for it. They also had the benefit of late Imperial Russian demographics. The North Vietnamese routinely traded 10:1 losses with the American and won the war. Modern Russia has no real ideology - a mishmash of competing nostalgia - and Putin himself is a product of the neoliberal wing. Russia also has horrendous demographics - not made better by a disastrous war and sanctions. How many young women are cheerfully planning on a large family in (non-Muslim) Russia?

Thanks for your concern but Russian demographics are no worse than the European average, even with Muslims excluded. And no the 'disastrous war' has not meaningfully affected them either.
Doomers and panic-mongers are free to leave Russia, many already have. I'm staying put, I have an actual life here not just a life on the internet.

Given the following, this could allow Zelensky to indeed go to the G20 as a 'winner' encouraging more NATO etc resources/money to be sucked in. If so, is this the Moscow objective?

Or if its a trap to do the opposite. The timing is certainly interesting if you look outside the Ukraine at the wider conflict.


Last night Ukrainian resources announced that Zelensky had demanded that the AFU command take Kherson before the G20 summit, which starts on November 15 in Indonesia, so that he would go to the summit as a real winner.

This message caused mixed reviews even in Ukraine, "I think Volodymyr Oleksandrovych will go to the G20 not as a winner, but as a sucker.

However, his usual condition. "he may also take the clay rooster with him, which he gave to Boris Johnson, so to speak, to complete his image" - writes one of the Ukrainian TG channels. I wonder another thing - is what is happening in Snigyrevka linked to Zelensky's order, and is this the very same offensive, or another reconnaissance battle?

The first option is supported not only by the number of forces engaged by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but also by the fact that the offensive began at an unusual time for such actions - not in the morning, as usual, but in the late evening.


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There will still be hard battle in Kherson city.. as Russian forces will need to secure the route to retreat. If they do abandon equipment tho.. well hope they'll be properly disabled or booby trapped.

limb wrote:Waiting for the residents here to claim leaving Kherson is a genius and correct tlstrategy and totally not a clusterfuck of the nth degree. Pieces of couldn't even supply a bank of a river.  Say goodbye to water, crimea. Gestures of goodwill are more important.

But im sure we'll have a fun konashenkov report tmr... And podlodka and alamo saying its actually a victory.

Not sure what's the deal with this, but they properly evacuated civilians this time and took their time with it too. You have to give credit where credit is due, it's not an unplanned and sporadic retreat by any means.

Retreating to the left bank does not mean Crimea loses access to water.

Ukraine would have to destroy the Kakhovka dam for that to happen, or open the floodgates. The dam is now No Man's Land, so no one knows how that will play out.

JohninMK wrote:Given the following, this could allow Zelensky to indeed go to the G20 as a 'winner' encouraging more NATO etc resources/money to be sucked in. If so, is this the Moscow objective?

Or if its a trap to do the opposite. The timing is certainly interesting if you look outside the Ukraine at the wider conflict.


   Last night Ukrainian resources announced that Zelensky had demanded that the AFU command take Kherson before the G20 summit, which starts on November 15 in Indonesia, so that he would go to the summit as a real winner.

   This message caused mixed reviews even in Ukraine, "I think Volodymyr Oleksandrovych will go to the G20 not as a winner, but as a sucker.

   However, his usual condition. "he may also take the clay rooster with him, which he gave to Boris Johnson, so to speak, to complete his image" - writes one of the Ukrainian TG channels. I wonder another thing - is what is happening in Snigyrevka linked to Zelensky's order, and is this the very same offensive, or another reconnaissance battle?

   The first option is supported not only by the number of forces engaged by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but also by the fact that the offensive began at an unusual time for such actions - not in the morning, as usual, but in the late evening.


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/19319

Is Zelensky going to G20? Russia announced today that Putin is not going, though it was much anticipated.

I , a mere blogger , a Sub- human less than Armchair General , and much much less than a real General , said many moons ago that the Dnieper forms a natural border and defensive line . Much easier to control traffic over the River and stop military advances across the Bridges ! By blowing them up . Now about this Dam khakova , I did not know that lower water level up stream , can affect water supply to Crimea . But no worries , because destroying the Dam , will also deprive Ukraine farmers from fresh water . In fact , I thought that , if both sides have access to each bank of the River , that this will force both to share the water resource fairly . Since no side can draw more water without other side's agreement . Some also are looking at the ground temperature . Is it below zero yet ? Well even if the ground freezes , then it can un-freeze in the Spring ! And trap all heavy vehicles and supplies . Perhaps that is why , I thought that supplies should be done by the Sea , and land troops best take the Coast and not to go too deep inland . Or equip all wheeled vehicles to half - tracks . Previously posted details .

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Is it possible the military are undermining Putin by making these morale sapping announcements? Its all very odd. So many mind games in war. Maybe they say they are withdrawing, to give Ukraine a dilemma. Do they believe them or is it a trap? So they wait and observe. Which buys Russia more time to do whatever they are planning.  If they planned to blow the dam, its now unnecessary and would make their reoccupation more difficult. So it freezes things. Just some rambling theories.

zorobabel wrote:
Is Zelensky going to G20? Russia announced today that Putin is not going, though it was much anticipated.

Of course, Zelensky going to G20, he's going to show off there, especially after what happened today. An opportunity to eliminate it...

limb wrote:Waiting for the residents here to claim leaving Kherson is a genius and correct tlstrategy and totally not a clusterfuck of the nth degree. Pieces of couldn't even supply a bank of a river.  Say goodbye to water, crimea. Gestures of goodwill are more important.

But im sure we'll have a fun konashenkov report tmr... And podlodka and alamo saying its actually a victory.

Podlodka77 didn't write anything, and if you want to blow a man's sausage - look elsewhere...
I refrain from it as much as I can and if I were Garry neither you nor the following would be on this forum anymore; Azi, Sundoesntrise, Carlipson, Cavaet, Zorolabel...
ALAMO, this anvil called you too..

And to add something unrelated to this pro-Western idiot; Everything is fine in Russia; factories are working and people are going to work and I'm just looking at skyscrapercity as the construction of new buildings is going on in Russian cities. There is still more construction in Moscow than in Paris and London combined.

zorobabel wrote:Is Zelensky going to G20? Russia announced today that Putin is not going, though it was much anticipated.

He is going and what's more he has every chance now by the date of the summit on the 15th, to have captured Kherson city as he wanted

All he has to do is move quickly.

Could it be a ruse? Tactical nuke? Ukrops advancing steadily across the front in Kherson.

Time will tell.

And to add something unrelated to this pro-Western idiot; Everything is fine in Russia; factories are working and people are going to work and I'm just looking at skyscrapercity as the construction of new buildings is going on in Russian cities. There is still more construction in Moscow than in Paris and London combined. wrote:

Russia is the fifth economy in the world ahead of UK, France and even Germany

zorobabel wrote:Could it be a ruse? Tactical nuke? Ukrops advancing steadily across the front in Kherson.

Time will tell.

Yes, it will be a tactical nuke on it's own territory.
Nobody will expect that Master Mind move

Arrow wrote:

Russia is the fifth economy in the world ahead of UK, France and even Germany

I know that, explain it to these anvils who don't know where their head is and where their ass is.
It's easier to put something in their ass than in their head.

Werewolf wrote:

zorobabel wrote:Could it be a ruse? Tactical nuke? Ukrops advancing steadily across the front in Kherson.

Time will tell.

Yes, it will be a tactical nuke on it's own territory.
Nobody will expect that Master Mind move

I am just trying to be optimistic.

If Russia is retreating from Kherson, one assumes the referendums and the annexation of the territory are no longer valid.