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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #24

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    Post  Hole Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:55 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:So there is flooding in Krivoy Rog due to russias strike at the dam.  Ukraines bridges used by military over the Ingulets are destroyed/swept away.  A large amount of people are either leaving or trying to stock up on water.

    We will see how this plays out.

    You already see how it plays out.
    If the Russkie want to take out a dam, they will do it within 10 minutes Laughing
    Not like some HIMARS supa-dupa-scary-voo-doo shit that is used to target a bridge or a dam for months, making holes in pave lines mostly.
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    Post  Hole Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:57 pm

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    More victories for the UkroNazis.  Laughing

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:05 am

    https://twitter.com/mdfzeh russians shooting more missiles and they hit some gas pipelines in ukraine.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:08 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦 Now is the time to calibrate the maximum possible number of enemy infrastructure from Lvov to Kharkov. Let them sit in flooded cities knee-deep in shit, without electricity and with the railways stopped. The luxury war with the Internet and warm apartments should sink into oblivion.

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    Very good- now increase the pain to the leadership, maybe get one offensive in before winter

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:11 am

    Ispan wrote:Detailed report and a few analysis, own and others

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/09/14/parte-de-guerra-14-09-2022-las-batallas-por-los-rios/

    Back on translate duty Smile This is a big one

    Part of war 09/14/2022 – the battles for the rivers
    14 September, 2022 Zhukov

    General situation:

    These days the most active fronts are being fought in the course of three rivers: the Oskol to the north, barrier in which the Ukrainian offensive of Kharkov has been stopped, the Seversky Donets (Northern Donets) centered on the city of Krasny Liman and second battle for this river, now with the Ukrainian forces of the Izyum salient on the offensive, and for two weeks the bloody battle of the Ingulets River is being fought, where the Ukrainians seek to cross the river and push back the Russians from the city of Kherson and on the other side of the Dnieper.

    On the Oskol River the situation has stabilized as the Ukrainians have been severely punished from the air in their offensive and needed time to regroup and prepare a new attack either to the east across the river, although today they have already returned to the attack, or to the north to invade Russian territory and attack Belgorod.

    On the Ingulets River today the Russian aviation has destroyed with missiles the Karachun reservoir dam causing a partial flooding of the city of Krivoy Rog and and the increase in the flow reinforces the value of the river as an obstacle, the flood has taken the pontoon bridges and the bridgeheads that the Ukrainians have managed to establish at the cost of thousands of casualties have been isolated and will probably be eliminated. In any case, it buys time to strengthen the positions. Belatedly, fortification engineer units with bulldozers have arrived to prepare positions.

    This unexpected Russian action aborts the planned renewed Ukrainian offensive on the river that included a landing on the coast to flank the Russian position, a few boats, five have attempted a raid on the restinga (coastal cordon) of Kinburn and have been destroyed by helicopters and artillery.

    It also means that by making it difficult to cross the river, the Russians will be able to send their reserves behind the Kherson front to the Central Front, Zaporozhe-Donetsk, where a new offensive is being prepared. By having the Ukrainians open corridors in their own minefields to move on to the attack, they leave the door open to a possible rupture of the front if their attack is repulsed and the Russians counterattack.

    By eliminating the hypothesis of a Russian offensive in Kherson, the probability grows that the Russians will counterattack from the Oskol or from Belgorod in order to regain the lost territory in Kharkov before the Ukrainians consolidate their position.

    The most disturbing thing for the enemy is that no movement of Russian troops is seen, except that reinforcements are on the way to the Central Front, that reinforcements have arrived to the defenders of Krasny Liman and that a Moscow ring highway was closed to civilian traffic, presumably to allow the movement of military material by road from one railway track to another.

    On the results of the Ukrainian offensive in Kharkov

    Ukrainian sources, now that the drunkenness of enthusiasm for their victory has cooled down a little, are beginning to evaluate the results of the offensive more soberly. It is noted that during the Kharkiv operation, the Ukrainian armed forces lost at least 40% of the transferred Western aid, which had accumulated during the end of spring and the whole summer. And this is without taking into account the volume of losses of fighters of those formations that the Nazi regime was training all summer, leaving the Volkssturm units to "zero".
    Especially dramatic are the losses on air defense systems, which were already in short supply. So now the Russian aviation is ironing out the "winners" in the Kharkov region, including with 500-kilogram bombs (for which the banderites are particularly upset), and continues to increase the frightening statistics for Kiev.

    The most important thing is that the Ukrainians come to the conclusion that the offensive on which they had pinned such hopes has not alleviated or improved their situation at all, but has left them without a large part of their reserves. And now they don't know what to do if Russia goes on the offensive, trying to reassure themselves with predictions that "the Russians will not advance until the spring."

    Observations on casualties:

    10 thousand casualties in the Kherson offensive have been confirmed with reasonable certainty and are still rising. The Kharkov offensive by comparisonhas come out cheap, but not for free. There was almost no fighting, because there were no Russian defenders, but according to reports only on September 8 and 9, 1,200 wounded entered. It follows that the lion's share of casualties was in the initial phase when they tried to take Balakleya and break through the barrier fire of Russian artillery. Then they continued to receive a couple of days until the guns of the Izyum group fell silent because the enemy advance took the ammunition depots to the rear.

    The Ukrainians, then, lost 2,000 casualties in the offensive. Then when they came out in the open, they were under aviation attacks and missile and rocket attacks on the rear in Chuguyev and Kharkov, which are adding casualties.

    If the troop losses are relatively small, and losing 4,000 casualties is enough or 10% of the force used, the material losses have been quite large. When moving along the roads all those armored cars and pickups offer targets to aviation and helicopters. In fact the Ukros complain that they have lost 40% of the material provided by NATO, so assuming that Western armored vehicles are half of the park would give a 20% loss in war materiel. By advancing so fast, the anti-aircraft defense has not been able to follow them and they have been left without protection from air attacks. Similar happened to the Egyptians in the Yom Kippur War, who as soon as they advanced outside the umbrella of the SAM they received their own.

    I am not the only one who has reason to believe that Ukraine has overflowed the bottom of the recruitment barrel.

    In my analyses I calculated 40,000 dead, to simplify "irretrievable losses" (dead, maimed, missing) for the first year of the war 2014-2015. Then in all the years of the war of attrition the dead accumulated to be as many as in 2014-2015. And so far in the war with Russia, it may be that there are another 50-70 thousand dead plus ten thousand prisoners, according to the counts and estimates that are made.

    Ukraine has been able to replenish losses and even increase the size of the army with a mass levy of Volkssturm, recovered wounded and a few thousand mercenaries to make bulk. But this is already the peak, from now on losses cannot be replenished except with recovered wounded. Another thing, mercenaries only fight when things are going well. The moment they start to fall like bedbugs they leave.

    In any case, the most decisive thing is the loss of war materiel and weapons. That is why the peace offers are trying their luck to see if the Kremlin is discouraged by this defeat and agrees, but from now on, as it is demonstrated that Ukraine cannot recover territory, much less win the war, and the economic bill to support the regime increases, the negotiating position of the United States and its vassals will worsen.

    On the other hand, the war has already entered an escalation that Russia will have no choice but to continue until the total defeat of Ukraine and its disappearance as a state. There is no turning back now, and it remains to be seen if the war does not spread.

    Summaries of the Day

    Summary of Strelkov

    News from the battle fronts:

    Belgorod Front - numerous attacks on military and civilian targets on the border territory of the Russian Federation.

    Oskol Front – no recent data available.

    Front in Seversky Donets - the fighting continues north of Svyatogorsk, in the area of the estuary and in the forests of the bend of the river southwest of Kremennaya.

    Direction Soledar-Bakhmut (Artemovsk) - it is claimed that yesterday the Wagner group managed to make significant progress in the vicinity of Bakhmut. To what extent this information corresponds to reality, I do not know (maybe it will, but the offensive "underthe operational shadow" of large enemy strike groups threatening the flanks, in my opinion, is a senseless waste of forces (if not worse)).

    Remark: It seems obvious to me that the Ukrainians have withdrawn troops from their fortifications in the Donbass salient for offensives and the Russian forces in this sector are taking advantage of the opportunity. I repeat, the Russians have not suffered a major setback in Kharkov beyond the retreat and there are no reasons to go on the defensive on the wholefront.

    Donetsk Front- unchanged. The fighting in Marinka, 2/3 of the village is still held by the enemy. the attempts of the Donetsk Militia to advance there, have not had any results for several weeks. The enemy continued to heavily bombard the residential areas of Donetsk and Gorlovvka, as well as other populations.

    In the direction of Dokuchaev, the enemy bombarded own positions with shells all day yesterday, but did not attack them.

    From the Zaporozhee front, apart from reports of the accumulation of enemy forces, no information was received.

    Positional battles continued on the Kherson front. There was a scoring (combat reconnaissance) by insignificant enemy forces in the direction of the Davydov Ford.

    In general: On all fronts, the enemy is preparing to attack and is gathering additional forces. Personally, I cautiously assume probable: the main attack on the Zaporozhee front, auxiliary, between Donetsk and Gorlovka, in the Dokuchaevsk area, in the Beryslav direction of the Kherson front, as well as directly in the Kherson area. I don't know the timing of the offensive, but I think that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will hardly give our troops time to strengthen their positions and regroup their troops in the threatened areas.

    Summary of Boris Rozhin "Colonel Cassad" and others

    1. Front in Oskol and Kupiansk, without significant changes. There are signs of stabilization here so far.

    supplementary report of Старше Седды

    The situation on the Oskol front. The enemy is trying to probe our defenses from Chervonyi Oskol to Lisichansk. Large enemy forces, supported by artillery, are trying to attack one or another area. They act competently, the raisin warriors cling on, but the situation is very tense. Khokhol is running everywhere, attacking from Svyatogorsk and Kupyansk, attacking with large forces. Apparently, it is now that Kiev has introduced almost all the reserves.

    2. Yampol and Krasny Liman stand firm.
    The fighting continues at the enemy bridgehead on the northern bank of the Seversky Donets.

    Старше Эдды

    The situation on the Oskol front. The enemy is trying to probe our defenses from Chervonyi Oskol to Lisichansk. Large enemy forces supported by artillery try to attack one section and another. They act competently, the Izyum warriors are resisting, but the situation is very tense. Ukrainians are advancing from all sides, attacking from Svyatogorsk and Kupiansk, attacking in large numbers. Now Kiev has brought almost all its reserves.

    https://t.me/vysokygovorit/9406

    3. Svyatogorsk remains in the disputed area. Neither side declares control over the city.

    4. Near the border with the Belgorod oblast (province or region), Ukrainian forces have carried out some shelling incidents, but for now they are concentrating on strengthening the front in Oskol and occupying the remaining unoccupied villages. Today they officially announced the occupation of Izyum.

    5. The enemy's attempts to take Belogorovka were unsuccessful, but the fighting continues there, as well as in Verkhnekamenskoye and Ivano-Daryevka.
    Fighting in the streets in Soledar.

    6. Near Artemovsk (Bakhmut), our troops are expanding their control zone around Kodema and on the Artemovsk-Dzerzhinsk highway. There are battles for the fortifications protecting Zaitsevo.

    7. There are no changes in the direction of Donetsk, as well as in Marinka and Ugledar.

    8. The enemy is accumulating forces in the Zaporozhe direction. Attempts to attack on Vasilievka and Tokmak are not ruled out.

    Vladimir Rogov (@VRogov) reports on the failed Ukrainian attack on Zaporozeye.

    Zaporozhye Front: Details of an attempted breakthrough near Nesterianka

    On the morning of September 14, units of the 65th Ukrainian Motorized Infantry Brigade tried to break through the defenses of units of the 503rd Motorized Rifle Regiment of the 19th Motorized Rifle Division near the village of Nesterianka, Zaporozhe region.

    Three unsuccessful attempts to break through our defense, thanks to the skillful action of artillery and the fire of rifle units, and the advancing enemy stopped, suffered heavy losses and retreated to their positions. As a result of the battle, an enemy tank was destroyed by RPG fire, and although the crew survived, they were abandoned by their fellow soldiers who fled the battlefield.

    As a result of the confrontation, Zelensky's fighters lost more than 50 men killed. Three tanks and three American-made M113 armored personnel carriers were destroyed, and seven men were taken prisoner, one of whom was an officer.

    The interrogation of the priisonersestablished that the units were short-staffed, most of them were reservists who had not received minimal training and were thrown into combat as cannon fodder.


    9. There are no significant changes in the direction of Nikolayevka. Reports about the capture of Kiselevka by the Ukrainians are false. There are also no significant advances by the enemy on the Andreyevka bridgehead. In addition, the destruction of the Karachun Dam is causing problems for pontoon bridges on the Ingulets River.

    Assessment on the withdrawal from Kharkov: a success, not a failure

    for your interest and antidote against so much defeatism and hysteria I reproduce this detailed analysis

    by ZornKrieger

    The Russian withdrawal was a success and not a failure contrary to the prevailing perspective. I detail why below:

    First of all, we need to address some negative aspects that we can all agree on: civilians, morality and public relations.

    With Russian forces withdrawing from the Kharkov region, Russian civilians and Russian supporters in the region now face harsh reprisals and subjugation under the unfriendly rule of the Ukrainian forces that have taken over. One of the objectives of the special military operation has been the protection of civilians.

    Ukrainian forces on all fronts have probably received a morale boost from this offensive. A morale boost is very necessary in an army that has been under missile and artillery attack, has been forced to go to the front in situations that can only be described as human wave tactics, and has witnessed that the territory they controlled is steadily but surely seizing.

    From a PR perspective, this has certainly demoralized the pro-Russian channels and reporters covering the conflict. The Western masses receiving the news about the war now see irrefutable proof that the Ukrainians have regained territory, which, of course, has become a decisive victory for the Ukrainians. This, in turn, will probably boost arms shipments and financing from the West to Ukraine. Russians in the liberated territories may also feel less inclined to help Russian forces and cooperate if they feel that the Russians may withdraw in the future.

    All that said, we have heard reports that Russians and pro-Russians in the Kharkov region were evacuated weeks and even months before the Ukrainian offensive. The loss of those who wished to stay is still devastating, but at least they had a choice. Recall, the main goal of this special military operation has been the demilitarization of the armed forces of Ukraine, with the protection of civilians being a secondary goal. The Russian army is designed to eradicate and destroy the enemy, its main focus is not on protecting civilians. On top of that, their main goal, again, is not solely focused on changing morale or public relations if the price of doing so hurts their ability to conduct the war.

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    Claims of a major defeat should address the following: Russian forces did not participate in a battle, the Russians withdrew from almost the entire territory of the Kharkov region, not only from the areas threatened by the offensive, the Russians escaped with all their strength essentially intact and the fact that Russian forces were withdrawing from the area weeks earlier.

    The retreat from Kharkov or is a military defeat in the classical sense. The Ukrainian army did not expel the Russians from the territory. Certainly, their maneuvers threatened the Russian positions to some extent, but we could not see whether Russia was able to stop the offensive through active defense. Apart from some brief skirmishes with smaller units, there was no battle or prolonged fighting in the region. The brief skirmishes we saw managed to at least stop or briefly stop the offensive actions. There was never a defeat of Russian units. Even in Balaklaya, we saw a small Russian unit stay in the city and fight for a few days until they finally escaped.

    Although the Ukrainian offensive was powerful, it was localized in the Balaklaya area. The withdrawal of the Russians was carried out throughout the Kharkov region. Northwest of Kharkov, for example, the Russians were expanding the territory they controlled just before the Ukrainian offensive to the south. Even today, a good part of the settlements have not yet been occupied by Ukrainian forces. One could argue that the Ukrainian forces would eventually regroup and be sent to the other areas, but that would have taken its time and would have been unknown until it happened.

    The retreating forces largely escaped unharmed. From the few casualty estimates we have, we can safely say that the Russian losses were a few hundred at worst.

    For a lightning offensive, the Ukrainians did not completely encircle, let alone engage in serious combat with Russian forces.

    Finally, we know that the Russian forces in the area, largely composed of the Donbass militia and Rosgvardia units, were much smaller than the previous force sizes we had seen in the area, up to 20 Battalion Tactical Groups in the Izyum area, if I remember correctly. It is difficult to argue that the Russians at the time of the offensive had more than a couple of battalions in the area, and these were not near Balaklaya. For the past three weeks, we had heard that the Russians were withdrawing forces in the area, and this seems to have been true.

    In short, my points prove that this was a success for the Russians. It seems that the Russians have full control of when and where they want to engage their troops and they had a safety net for this exact scenario. The reduction of forces, the withdrawal of the entire Kharkov region and the small number of casualties show that Russia was unwilling to stay in the region and allowed its forces to fight whenever and wherever they wanted them to fight. The fact that the Lyman region was secured at the very beginning of the war, ensuring a secure line of defense along the Oskil River, shows the long-term planning of the Russian command to prepare the battlefield for maneuvers and defense. Combined with the previous reduction of forces, I think we can safely say that the Russians planned this and were ready to withdraw in order to keep the battlefield advantageous for any future operations they have planned.

    Finally, we witnessed more than 2-3 thousand Ukrainian losses in men and a considerable amount of material. The Ukrainian forces abandoned their fortifications and urban areas, and set out on the move, exposing themselves to air strikes and artillery fire. The amount of destruction the Russians dealt in this area would have taken weeks to achieve that result if the Russians were on the offensive. It can be argued that Russia should deploy more powerful actions and weaponsosa, that more troops are needed, etc.; the fact is that, taking into account the current Russian limitations, the points I mentioned above prove that this was a successful operation.

    War crimes of Ukraine

    In addition to the orgy of looting, murder and torture in the villages of the Kharkov region reoccupied by the Ukrainians, HIMARS rockets provided by the USA kill children. The terrorists of the Kiev regime attacked a school in Perevalsk (LNR). As a result, a teenager was killed. 6 children were injured.

    As Yevgeny Poddubny tells:

    There were no troops in the building, it was an accommodation for orphans and refugees.

    Let me tell you how high-precision missile strikes are carried out. The coordinates of the target are transmitted by intelligence, then sent for verification. Western space intelligence specialists double-check the agency's information and transmit it to the joint headquarters of NATO and the Kiev regime. There they make a decision about the attack.

    That is, in Kiev, at the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they knew perfectly well that they were shelling a building in which there are no military personnel, in which there are civilians. Let me remind you that the destroyed house is an educational institution. The teenagers, by the way, were asleep at the time of the attack.

    Do you understand why we have to win?

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:21 am

    Karachun dam was an elegant solution for liquidation of bridgeheads around Andreevka and Davidov brod. It will give them a good amount of time to liquidate all Ukrainian forces on south side of Ingulets. Higher river levels will inundate terrain and make building of new crossings very hard job.
    Time to move strikes further to the west. Remaining TPP's, in addition to underground gas storages ( especially around Lvov, biggest in Ukraine) and major electrical substations should be next.

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    Post  VARGR198 Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:29 am

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:37 am

    walle83 wrote:
    So when you love your country anything goes? Hitler and Stalin would love you thats for sure.
    If Putin decided to poisen the entire population of Kiev, that would be alright with you?

    Putin is not a dictator, and never was killing civilians en masse as europeon civilization has been doing for centuries. Recently Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq a bit earlier vide SS Viking , SS Nordland ;-)

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    Post  Regular Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:23 am

    Nothing to do with Putin, but Russians are also not that innocent and did get their hands bloody when they killed of most of the slaver barbarians from around Crimea and expanded to the east, not always peacefully. Colonisation wasn’t that harsh compared to anglosaxon tho and most tribes simply were assimilated instead of wiped out.

    Ukraine would look like Tatarstan if it wasn’t for Russian empire.
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    Post  kvs Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:35 am

    Regular wrote:Nothing to do with Putin, but Russians are also not that innocent and did get their hands bloody when they killed of most of the slaver barbarians from around Crimea and expanded to the east, not always peacefully. Colonisation wasn’t that harsh compared to anglosaxon tho and most tribes simply were assimilated instead of wiped out.

    Ukraine would look like Tatarstan if it wasn’t for Russian empire.

    Unlike the BS excuses by Americans that aboriginals were warlike and savage, in the case of Russia these various tribes were exactly
    that. You can say the same thing about the rest of Europe and not all of the ethnic groups from 1500 years ago are around today.
    A good example is Khazaria. Through its actions it asked to be destroyed.


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    Post  thegopnik Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:37 am

    ⚔⚔⚔HUGE, EXCELLENT NEWS, BEST NEWS I READ TODAY
    Progozen, founder, owner and leader of Wagner PMC, has made a really decent offer to the not so bad guys among the 475,000 men in Russia's prison system


    interesting

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    Post  Backman Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:45 am

    I wonder what this is all about

    Andrey Gurulev, MP, Lieutenant General in the reserve, 13 September 2022:

    "I believe it is time to legally recognize the status of a military operation. The key point of this would be to assign real responsibility for fatal mistakes not only to servicemen but also to those on the home front"

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:50 am

    Destroy power plants, destroy gas pipelines, destroy water facilities causing floods, send felons to war.

    They are just trying to scare the shit out of the ukrainian ciivilians now. OK I get it, they want ukrainians to revolt or turn against themselves causing less casualties to their side. Basically NATO warfare.
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    Post  thegopnik Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:11 am

    https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1570183233291292672 I was holding off on Alaudinovs claim but since the source is a pro UA one, it appears somewhat correct.

    Alaudinovs claim was that 30 000 UA participated in the Kharkov offensive with 5000 KIA. Z numbers for UA losses in Kherson was around 5000 as well.


    this is ukrainian claims, We have not heard anything from Russian claims. Having prisoners might be looked down upon but atleast they have a reason to fight which is freedom i guess and saves russian tax payers on money. Just realzing than Russian intel is alot smarter than I thought. makes sense why they have thwarted coups in syria, venezuela and kazahkstan (turkey is debatable with erdogan) took crimea in front of NATO, etc, etc. Guess Putin really is ex-KGB

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    Post  Broski Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:26 am

    These prisoners turned Wagner mercenaries get paid to fight, right? I could see thousands of them fighting for Russia for the right price.

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    Post  Backman Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:29 am

    I don't know if i support going apeshit on civilian infrastructure in this way. I think this is more tactical than ppl think.

    I think most Ukrainians east of center , would go along with either regime. So if Russia forced it's way into Kharkov, theyd just go with it. And if it doesn't , they will live with the Nazi regime.

    Russia should finish the Donbas and then assemble a shock force to take cities. Take each city the way they took Mariupol if they want to destroy infrastructure. Move from city to city like in Syria.

    What are civilians that want to be Ukrainians gonna do anyway ? Rule with an iron fist. They will eventually get on with their lives. That's what ppl on the European continent do.

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    Post  Erk Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:38 am

    caveat emptor wrote:Karachun dam was an elegant solution for liquidation of bridgeheads around Andreevka and Davidov brod. It will give them a good amount of time to liquidate all Ukrainian forces on south side of Ingulets. Higher river levels will inundate terrain and make building of new crossings very hard job.
    Time to move strikes further to the west. Remaining TPP's, in addition to underground gas storages ( especially around Lvov, biggest in Ukraine) and major electrical substations should be next.
    This is the wet season for Ukraine, the rivers normally rise anyway. The most rainy months are October and November.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:49 am

    Backman wrote:I don't know if i support going apeshit on civilian infrastructure in this way. I think this is more tactical than ppl think.

    I think most Ukrainians east of center , would go along with either regime. So if Russia forced it's way into Kharkov, theyd just go with it. And if it doesn't , they will live with the Nazi regime.

    Russia should finish the Donbas and then assemble a shock force to take cities. Take each city the way they took Mariupol if they want to destroy infrastructure. Move from city to city like in Syria.

    What are civilians that want to be Ukrainians gonna do anyway ? Rule with an iron fist. They will eventually get on with their lives. That's what ppl on the European continent do.

    I have used the Syrian template as an example of how this war should have been conducted since day 1

    Bomb the **** out of the cities

    Have the civilians evacuate, if not theyl be shot by nazis anyway

    Bomb it all thoroughly and send in penal units to sweep the cities with spetsnaz assisting to direct precision strikes and sniper teams
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Sep 15, 2022 2:56 am

    If you look at declarations made by EC - to destroy Russian economy, "fascist Russia" - there's no way back. Either there will b eno Russian anymore or Russia wins. So war on attrition, who pays for Ukraine? billi9ns to suport this failed zombie state? EU/US

    Who pays 3,45 time more for utility bills? EU citizens , not sure when but I guess in US it will sooner or later be similar...

    Then why Russians shall end this was quickly? this is a great way do damage EU/Us much more .


    The western govts seem to be more and more desperate the longer was continues. This is imho not about principles of democracy (hehe undemocratic elected Ursula, election fraudster Joe and nazi supporting druggy comedian Zlya) it is about crumbling empire and economy...They have to hurry up before internally it wont start crumbling.


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    No reason to end this shit quick. Let them bleed.

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:16 am

    According to some sources, it looks like Ukrainians are trying to land on south side of Kinburn spit. Roughly, in this area:

    Zaliznyi Port
    https://maps.app.goo.gl/9gHs6RjpLPELQ1Kn9
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:20 am

    Orc embassy said goodbye to Queer Elisabeth. Im neither monarchist nor Brit but calling he ra queer is not nice for locals I guess.


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    Today I have heard an interview with nato military about "tremendous successes" of the Zerg rush Ukrainian offensive .
    Jouros asked: is Putin so panicked that pushing a nuke button is na option?

    Or now discontent among population will force Putin to quit? Military had more touch with reality. Once he evne said about spec op groups them sai oh no I meant partisans Very Happy
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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:23 am

    Erk wrote:This is the wet season for Ukraine, the rivers normally rise anyway. The most rainy months are October and November.
    Kherson region is one of the driest ones in Ukraine. 
    Also, there's no such thing as a wet season in continental climate. Most of Central and Eastern Europe has that type of climate in which precipitations peak at late spring-early summer. 
    In any case at the end of summer, beginning of Autumn, it is  pretty insignificant river and easy to ford.
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    Post  Erk Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:34 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Erk wrote:This is the wet season for Ukraine, the rivers normally rise anyway. The most rainy months are October and November.
    Kherson region is one of the driest ones in Ukraine. 
    Also, there's no such thing as a wet season in continental climate. Most of Central and Eastern Europe has that type of climate in which precipitations peak at late spring-early summer. 
    In any case at the end of summer, beginning of Autumn, it is  pretty insignificant river and easy to ford.
    The snow melt in May is the river peak, but that's not rain.

    BTW Peskov said earlier today, the SMO status remains, the Kremlin doesn't want to escalate at this stage.

    I think too many MPs don't like the idea of a mobilization.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:49 am

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    Post  Backman Thu Sep 15, 2022 3:56 am

    Erk wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    Erk wrote:This is the wet season for Ukraine, the rivers normally rise anyway. The most rainy months are October and November.
    Kherson region is one of the driest ones in Ukraine. 
    Also, there's no such thing as a wet season in continental climate. Most of Central and Eastern Europe has that type of climate in which precipitations peak at late spring-early summer. 
    In any case at the end of summer, beginning of Autumn, it is  pretty insignificant river and easy to ford.
    The snow melt in May is the river peak, but that's not rain.

    BTW Peskov said earlier today, the SMO status remains, the Kremlin doesn't want to escalate at this stage.

    I think too many MPs don't like the idea of a mobilization.

    Everyone (mayors, MP's, citizens)but Putin wants to see more decisive action on the battlefield. Which requires an escalation. How can Putins govt not see this ? What does Putin think the average Russian is paying attention to on their leisure time ? They are glued to the war ! Not only is it not fair to deny this to the ppl, it's a missed opportunity.

    Everyone knows that mobilization is overkill. But that's the buzzword. Just mobilize more ! It wouldn't surprise me if ppl eventually start protesting to escalate.

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