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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Sep 07, 2022 3:11 am

    Regular wrote:It’s hard to believe that Ukrianians are given so much freedom. Russian even with limited forces should enough force multipliers to steamroll their offensive effort
    What is not clear to me is that since 10 days ago, there were multiple reports that Ukrainians are amassing troops south of Kharkhov for attack.  Not much was done to try and preempt this offensive or to strengthen defensive lines.
     This tells me that problems come somewhere closer to the top of the military. Maybe reports that overstate success of the army are being drafted or something along the lines. Poeple often forget that generals are very often politicial animals, being that in Pentagon or Russian army. 
    These attacks will not change drastically situation in the war,
    but war will be prolonged. 
    Case in point, is todays meeting of Putin, Shoigu and Gerasimov in Far East. If that video is not a PR operation i don't know what is. 
    Guys on the ground are paying the price as, for example, Samara SOBR unit got encircled somewhere around Balakleya.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Wed Sep 07, 2022 3:18 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:Or a third option, both the political and top brass military leadership of Russia is filled with way too many idiots (incompetents) and accidental traitors (to put it mildly). Including obviously apparatchik Putin - a shell of his 90s self.

    But again, Russia is such a rich country.... you can get it wrong multiple times and still have more lives than a cat. Plenty of time for course correction and escalation.



    There is nothing accidental about Putin; he has promoted the deep love and affection for the ethnic Ukrainians for decades now.

    As I already mentioned it on this forum earlier, he gave Ukraine lots of free money and free natural gas, after Ukraine became hostile to Russia back in 2014.


    It is clearly premeditated.


    You also blatantly ignore the numerous ethnic Ukrainian minority in Russia, which is the largest ethnic Ukrainian diaspora in the world (with possible exception of the present-day Poland, due to the recent massive influx of refugees from Ukraine).


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    Post  Regular Wed Sep 07, 2022 3:28 am

    All I can say, if there will be similar to Maykop brigade story in Kherson, I hope Russians will show no forgiveness to the leadership. Plenty of very smart people in Russian military who can replace those who can **** up, just hope it doesn’t go unnoticed.

    Or all of this could be just doomerism and nothing much is going on
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Sep 07, 2022 4:09 am

    walle83 wrote:Russia buys millions of rockets and artillery shells from North Korea

    Russia is purchasing millions of rockets and artillery shells from North Korea to re-energise its offensive in Ukraine, according to recently declassified US intelligence, as western sanctions begin to choke Moscow’s supply of weapons.

    The Russian ministry of defence was “in the process of purchasing millions of rockets and artillery shells from North Korea for use on the battlefield in Ukraine”, a US official said, citing intelligence recently cleared for public dissemination.

    “This purchase indicates that the Russian military continues to suffer from severe supply shortages in Ukraine, due in part to export controls and sanctions,” the official added.

    Moscow’s military dealings with North Korea come after recent disclosures that it is also relying on another pariah nation, Iran, to support its war in Ukraine. Russia received its first shipment of Iranian combat drones last week and was likely to receive more, US officials said.

    Iran and North Korea are widely seen as relatively unreliable providers of military equipment. US officials said some of the drones purchased by Russia from Iran had experienced mechanical failures.

    Those officials pointed to Russia’s decision to purchase weapons from the two countries as evidence that export controls and sanctions were significantly hindering Moscow’s ability to meet its weapons supply needs.


    https://www.ft.com/content/f614c922-b8ec-4f2b-bf74-a5b22b3fecc5
    https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-is-buying-artillery-ammunition-nkorea-report-2022-09-06/

    So North Korea has a self-sufficient ammunition industry but Russia doesn't?

    Russia, the nation with the largest amount of ammo stored in the world, that inherited 65% of the military industry of the USSR - the country with the largest land army of the world at the time, and the country that has self-sufficiency in aerospace, rocketry, shipbuilding, tracked and wheeled vehicles, metallurgy, etc... can't master self-sufficiency in the production of Grad rockets and artillery shells?

    Is you for real?

    Now if it's buying from North Korea because they have a munition type Russia is interested in in a pinch then that's a different story.

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    Post  Regular Wed Sep 07, 2022 4:30 am

    Iranian drones, North Korean shells, Syrian volunteers… whats next? Chinese robots?

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    Post  PhSt Wed Sep 07, 2022 4:36 am

    any improvements in the Kharkov front? I don't know why NATO Nazis are allowed to claim victories, Russia needs to increase its firepower to impose more Pain on NATzO and Exterminate the Ukro Nazi simpletons attack
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Sep 07, 2022 4:39 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:"Quantity has a quality of its own" - wise leader once said.

    Effectiveness varies... see the Chinese in the Korean campaign or the Vietnamese but it does provide results. A huge front line with such limited force employment by the defense..... well... holes (weakness) will be found if probed enough. Now it's a game of whack-a-mole.... sometimes the moles have some success. It's foremost a stress test. The bigger questions still remain... why allow top regime leadership to live? why allow reinforcements to pour from Poland almost unimpeded? why continue to allow "provocations"/shelling on a nuclear power plant? why push for "talks"? why recognize the regime in 2014? why allow the coup to take place in the first place - aka what did you know, when did you know and what did you do about it?.... we're never gonna get the real answers to that and many more pertinent question....political career defining questions for "illustrious leaders".... you'll be lucky to get a false one.

    The crystal ball users... aka Medvevev and Luka seem to agree on a military coup happening in Ukraine (more like old wishful thinking/goading/encouraging for a hero in shining armour to appear.....lets not pretend they know when they didn't see shit for the last 8 years and counting). The odds are at the same level as a broken clock being right twice a day. Signaling is cheap however so I can't fault for trying.

    And Putin's public speaking dog is talking the dirty word (that is, detente). That word shouldn't exist in the Russian political lexicon after its disastrous result but somehow it still does...hard to say if it's wishful desperation - aka a signal, or simply the words of an idiot. Seems all the Kremlin boys and those connected are fine tuned to the crystal ball. Just wondering if they upgraded from the one they've had until yesterday.

    Detente works exactly to the Russo-Chinese axis's, and really the rest of the world's - favour, and allows BRICS to take over the role of the G7, world trade to move away from the USD, etc... slowly and peacefully, and without any cunning plans like what Washington got up to in the Ukraine and Taiwan.

    If the US and EU had finally gotten serious about the Minsk peace process over the past couple of years then the war would have been avoided and the showdown between Russia and the West would have been at least postponed, but probably avoided as well.
    The West would essentially get another decade of being the top dog but in return for eventually relinquishing their monopoly on the world's currency, development, markets as a result of being out-competed, with China, India, Russia and other countries continuing to grow and forming their own co-operation mechanisms unharnessed.

    That option didn't suit the West, they decided to knock out Russia quickly so that they can then surround China, while continuing the globalist neo-colonial model for the rest of the world.

    If Russia is offering them detente again in return for abolishing sanctions and a negotiated peace in the Ukraine - then they ought to take it. It allows the West to avoid a disaster of their own making, in return for strengthening Russia. They of course don't want Russia to strengthen its economy and its position among the rest of the world, nor gain any further territory in the Ukraine - but the alternative for them is a disaster in their economies and on the front for the Ukraine so the choice ought to be a simple one. Put simply they can either walk away with a humbling, or a catastrophy.


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    Post  flamming_python Wed Sep 07, 2022 4:45 am

    Regular wrote:Or all of this could be just doomerism and nothing much is going on

    I think this is all a major storm in a tea-cup by bored house-wives with no defeatism to cling onto so they find this little town in the Kharkov region where apparently Russia's best units are being annihilated dunno

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Sep 07, 2022 4:47 am


    Any updates on number of dead Ukrainians?



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    Post  flamming_python Wed Sep 07, 2022 4:54 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Any updates on number of dead Ukrainians?




    No-one's counting, and neither side much cares.

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    Post  Belisarius Wed Sep 07, 2022 5:12 am

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    Another evidence of the survivability of Russian armored vehicles. This T-72B3 withstood hits from 7-8 RPG grenades, two ATGMs, and one Javelin ATGM. The tank lost its visor and boxes, but the crew took the tank out of the shelling under its own power.
    https://t.me/garmaev_alexander/773?single

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:30 am

    PhSt wrote:any improvements in the Kharkov front? I don't know why NATO Nazis are allowed to claim victories, Russia needs to increase its firepower to impose more Pain on NATzO and Exterminate the Ukro Nazi simpletons attack

    Quite simple, Russia doesn't have enough troops deployed, Said this long long ago but the fanboys here defended the lack of troops.

    Putin doesn't wanna mobilize.

    Ukraine might have caused enough damage that the limited Russian forces there trying to hold that huge frontline simply do not have the manpower to hold against the horde coming their way, in one day Ukraine made some gains that threaten a russian grouping.

    This from a military perspective should not have been allowed to occur, So with such lack of troops Ukraine will get a W here and there, no way to stop it.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:48 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    PhSt wrote:any improvements in the Kharkov front? I don't know why NATO Nazis are allowed to claim victories, Russia needs to increase its firepower to impose more Pain on NATzO and Exterminate the Ukro Nazi simpletons attack

    Quite simple, Russia doesn't have enough troops deployed, Said this long long ago but the fanboys here defended the lack of troops.

    Putin doesn't wanna mobilize.

    Ukraine might have caused enough damage that the limited Russian forces there trying to hold that huge frontline simply do not have the manpower to hold against the horde coming their way, in one day Ukraine made some gains that threaten a russian grouping.

    This from a military perspective should not have been allowed to occur, So with such lack of troops Ukraine will get a W here and there, no way to stop it.


    How many troops do you need?

    See this is why I dismiss this all as nonsense. Russia has air superiority. It has artillery superiority. It has EW superiority. It has every type of superiority. It's troops in the sector are on defense
    With all these things you simply don't need to match the enemy's manpower. Field Marshall Model in the Rzhev meatgrinder held off a superior Soviet force for over a year with a fraction of the men. He formed a mobile reserve which were quickly deployed to plug any gaps and counter-attack. And because of the shape of the Rzhev line; the front was enormous. Yet Model held it.

    The Ukrainians may concentrate forces and surprise Russian troops in some town or village. That's about all they can do. They can't meaningfully advance or exploit gaps in the line.
    What will happen then is the same thing that happened in Kherson; Russian troops can elect to temporarily retreat and the enemy now exposed, will be pummeled from outside their range or means to retaliate.
    Probably what will happen now in fact, while the usual chicken-littles here are engaged in panic-mongering.

    And just what numerical superiority do the Ukrainians have at this point, with their level of casualties, and the average experience and training of their men?
    How many of them can they actually send on the attack that would be capable of carrying out such orders?

    All these conversations about Russian lack of men are baloney.
    Russia may lack the men in theater to double its size of controlled territory and/or expand the front.
    But it definitely has enough there to defend what it already holds. End of.


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    Post  ALAMO Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:52 am

    caveat emptor wrote:There are, obviously, illogical things in the thinking of military and political structures.
    First of all, i don't understand why Ukrainian SBU and GUR are still not declared terrorist organizations.
    Their operatives and people that they hire should be treated as such.

    Second thing is that the leadership is trying to behave like everything is normal. For example, tank biathlon was completely
    unneeded and it was just a PR bullshit. More regular Russian soldiers are needed on the front, instead of LDPR reservists.
    Parts of the front which Ukrainians always attack first are manned by republics reservists. Happened first in Kherson and then now in
    Balakleya. Also, defensive lines are understaffed with infantry. That is still a problem.

    I don't even want to mention still standing bridges and other operating infrastructure that is used by Ukrainian military, throughout the country.


    Let me get your point.
    You constantly grumble about how the Russkie are losing PR war, and can't stage a proper propaganda campaign.
    Yet in the middle of war ongoing, you are suggesting calling off a yearly based event organized by the Russian army?
    The events that are great PR stunts, bring a lot of fun to watchers and participants.
    That are bringing a top-class tank warfare specialists, and confirming a sustained pole position to Russian army tankers?
    Made a good friendship occasion for all the teams?
    Gee! What a brilliant advice I must say! Now you have impressed me!
    What next?
    Russkie should withdraw from the naval maneuvers with China and Iran, to make you happy too? Such a waste of resources, oh my oh my oh my ...

    @ "more soldiers to the front" - maybe for some unknown reason you have missed that, but there are several newly built armored units at a different stage of forming, including the 3rd Army you denied to exist only a week or so ago.
    Plus the list of national volunteer battalions is about a page long.
    Plus there are new and new formations flowing without any obstacles from Gudermes.

    @ "not declaring SBU a terrorist organization" - what in detail would that change, care to enlighten me?

    flamming_python wrote:
    Wouldn't judge so quickly
    Salo is first of all, the national dish, secondly - a delicacy, and thirdly - a high-calorie compact meal that will keep you going
    When I served we had a guy in my squad from Kursk oblast, with the obligatory Ukro accent as in Kursk they talk more or less with the Ukro pronunciation as well; despite the fact they're largely Russians. He was always boasting about the salo from back home. And every time he received a package from there it was celebrations for us in the psychological relaxation room with a feast of salo, raw smoked kolbasa, bird's milk and other chocolaty treats.

    I am combining the pics bro.
    Something that was really unseen in Spring.
    A pictures part of overwhelming bardak in the Ukro strongpoints when the republican army was taking them back in 2015.
    Is back now!
    And the destructed strongpoints looks more and more as I remember them from the August 2015 Twisted Evil

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    Post  Backman Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:06 am

    caveat emptor wrote:There are, obviously, illogical things in the thinking of military and political structures.
    First of all, i don't understand why Ukrainian SBU and GUR are still not declared terrorist organizations.
    Their operatives and people that they hire should be treated as such.

    Second thing is that the leadership is trying to behave like everything is normal. For example, tank biathlon was completely
    unneeded and it was just a PR bullshit. More regular Russian soldiers are needed on the front, instead of LDPR reservists.
    Parts of the front which Ukrainians always attack first are manned by republics reservists. Happened first in Kherson and then now in
    Balakleya. Also, defensive lines are understaffed with infantry. That is still a problem.

    I don't even want to mention still standing bridges and other operating infrastructure that is used by Ukrainian military, throughout the country.

    According to some , Russian spies are so infiltrated through the ranks of the SBU ect that they can't just take them out. Yet.

    And there is evidence to support this. The accuracy of Russian intel on arms movements.

    Russia still just wants to fight this war on the cheap probably for economic reasons. But i think that excuse is long over. The economy is fine.

    Some say that Russia does not want to expose it's real military to Nato. Because then NATO would train to counter it better. And they supposedly have to save the real military for in case nato jumps in. NATO has jumped in , in a proxy way so i don't get that line of thinking.

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:24 am

    That makes sense since they are forming volunteer armies with 3rd army being newest. Fully trained, probably by some of Russias bests but still volunteers. Getting newer gear too apparently.

    This will make it possible for Russia to conceal its true capabilities while having still effective fighting forces to deal against Ukraine.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:27 am

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    How many troops do you need?

    See this is why I dismiss this all as nonsense. Russia has air superiority. It has artillery superiority. It has EW superiority. It has every type of superiority. It's troops in the sector are on defense
    With all these things you simply don't need to match the enemy's manpower. Field Marshall Model in the Rzhev meatgrinder held off a superior Soviet force for over a year with a fraction of the men. He formed a mobile reserve which were quickly deployed to plug any gaps and counter-attack. And because of the shape of the Rzhev line; the front was enormous. Yet Model held it.

    The Ukrainians may concentrate forces and surprise Russian troops in some town or village. That's about all they can do. They can't meaningfully advance or exploit gaps in the line.
    What will happen then is the same thing that happened in Kherson; Russian troops can elect to temporarily retreat and the enemy now exposed, will be pummeled from outside their range or means to retaliate.
    Probably what will happen now in fact, while the usual chicken-littles here are engaged in panic-mongering.

    And just what numerical superiority do the Ukrainians have at this point, with their level of casualties, and the average experience and training of their men?
    How many of them can they actually send on the attack that would be capable of carrying out such orders?

    All these conversations about Russian lack of men are baloney.
    Russia may lack the men in theater to double its size of controlled territory and/or expand the front.
    But it definitely has enough there to defend what it already holds. End of.

    I think there are some who want a Second Great Patriotic War (the second half anyway), but if Russia did that, and they could do that now and the active combat stage of the war would be done in about two weeks, there would be a very long term insurrection that would lead to lots of casualties and years of economic drain.  The US and NATO wants Russia to do this because it would end like Afghanistan (Russia would be bankrupted, it would lose a lot casualties in years of guerilla war, and in the end would be in an even weaker position than it was at the start of the conflict).  Russia is losing the propaganda/information war by not doing this approach, but it is winning the war in the long term because it is only occupying friendly territory and predominantly ethnic Russian areas and has dug in in those areas and is making Ukraine fight the war on its (Russia's terms).  How does Russia want Ukraine to fight this war? Well, by fighting positional warfare.  This operation borrows from traces of Kursk and Borodino.  Oh noes, Russia lost this village or that village? Oh dear the war is lost.  Nope, Russia gave up that village because much like Kursk salient the Ukrainian Wehrmacht is paying an extremely heavy price for a village that means nothing in the long run and will be easily retaken at a time of Russia's choosing.  Russia's whole plan is to get the Ukrainians to come to them and break themselves against the rock of Russian artillery and overwhelming rocket attacks and airpower.  As Ukraine's most ardent Nazis and Nationalists come home in body bags as do their conscripts morale declines among the Ukrainian army and desertion becomes a problem, and regime change protests begin.  Also, as the war goes into colder months, Europeans will increasingly take to the streets as food prices, home heating prices, and consumer goods surge and they begin to freeze and cannot put fuel in their cars.  NATO may have picked up Sweden and Finland, but they are losing the support of the Greek people, the Czech people, the German government is committing political suicide by saying its more committed to the Ukrainians than it is to the German people, and so NATO may exist but its going to lose popular support the longer this thing goes on, and the people that the German fuehrerin is ignoring will vote her out and they may have a new government that votes to quit NATO.  

    In Ukraine, if there is a regime change and the nationalists and nazis are gone and the public loses its heart for war, they may very well end up deciding that neutrality and demilitarization is in their best interest.  This SMO is not just a battle at the front, its one of public opinion (people have to see that by fighting America's proxy wars they get to go hungry and freeze in the winter), its one of information (CNN and BBC are able to continue to lie and distort but even in America people are beginning to question this thing), its one of economics as well.  The longer it goes and the more Ukraine's most fanatical hang themselves on their own petards as do their allies the stronger Russia's position is.

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    Post  lancelot Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:35 am

    Backman wrote:According to some , Russian spies are so infiltrated through the ranks of the SBU ect that they can't just take them out. Yet.

    And there is evidence to support this. The accuracy of Russian intel on arms movements.

    Russia still just wants to fight this war on the cheap probably for economic reasons. But i think that excuse is long over. The economy is fine.

    Some say that Russia does not want to expose it's real military to Nato. Because then NATO would train to counter it better. And they supposedly have to save the real military for in case nato jumps in. NATO has jumped in , in a proxy way so i don't get that line of thinking.
    I think Russia fully expected large tank losses in case of direct conventional conflict. And that is why they funded massive numbers of the cheaper T-72B3 model instead of a smaller amount of more modern tanks. But now that the game is afoot I suspect Russia will focus on T-90M and T-14 production. This degree of direct NATO aid to Ukraine might have been a surprise, although within expectation, to Russian military planners. I think the planners took into consideration all the scenarios including a full on direct conflict with NATO. Which is why Russia put its nuclear forces into high alert the minute the conflict started.

    This is Russia's real military. But they are being constrained by several factors. The stated goal of this being a war that would minimize civilian casualties. And initially there were no plans to take further Ukrainian territory I think. But the SBU terrorizing the governors and administrations of provinces like Kherson who collaborated with the invasion troops probably pushed things over the edge. And yes Russia has to keep some forces in reserve for NATO. You saw little use of the Kinzhal for example. I suspect most of it is being kept in reserve in case they need to hit NATO targets. I also only saw use of the stealth Kh-101 on the beginning of the conflict. The MiG-31 also saw little use thus far and seems to be kept on reserve.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:35 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    So North Korea has a self-sufficient ammunition industry but Russia doesn't?

    I hardly understand why a sane person would even discuss that other way than for laught.
    Bot exploiting your question, that would mean that the NS is not only self-sufficient, but able to export "millions of shells&rockets", while the second arms export on a planed is not.
    Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Regular wrote:Iranian drones, North Korean shells, Syrian volunteers… whats next? Chinese robots?

    Chinese drones!
    Oh wait ... scratch
    Laughing Laughing Laughing

    ucmvulcan wrote:[
    In Ukraine, if there is a regime change and the nationalists and nazis are gone and the public loses its heart for war, they may very well end up deciding that neutrality and demilitarization is in their best interest.  This SMO is not just a battle at the front, its one of public opinion (people have to see that by fighting America's proxy wars they get to go hungry and freeze in the winter), its one of information (CNN and BBC are able to continue to lie and distort but even in America people are beginning to question this thing), its one of economics as well.  The longer it goes and the more Ukraine's most fanatical hang themselves on their own petards as do their allies the stronger Russia's position is.

    There is one very scary factor we really forgot sometimes to add to the quotation.
    I know that a chat roulette is a kind of masochism, but it is just a field of propaganda activities. That is why it is very interesting to watch - propaganda war is going on there either.
    I have watched some materials on the matter, and I have the following conclusions.
    The level of zombification of a regular Ukrainian is mindblowing, and it rises as the age lowers.
    In 40+ generation, people who remember the USSR period, you can find some reasonable people or just people who have their own opinions based on their own concepts.
    A whole 30- generation in Ukr is simply lost.
    Those kids are zombified above all imaginable levels, and that is a combined zombification.
    They DON'T KNOW that Ukraine was a part of the Soviet Union.
    They consider the Ukro state existed like forever.
    Hryvna was a currency in XVII century.
    Catherine the Great was not Russiam Imperatritsa, but ... German tsar, which is why Odessa is a German city as a German tsar founded it.
    They are really thought at schools all that bullshit.
    They are not only badly educated, but DEEDUCATED to begin with.
    Taught absolute bullshit and rubbish, like Columbus being Ukrainian. Or about ancient civilizations of Greek and Rome rooted in the mighty Ukro superpower that lasted thousands of years. It is older than the pyramids, you know.
    Jesus from Nazaret was a Ukrainian, too!
    Putin in one of his latest lectures was talking about the Russian minister of education that visited the new territories.
    A guy is terrified.
    Kids didn't know that Crimean Bridge existed.
    Didn't know that Ukraine was a member republic of the SU.
    This is what we are talking about. This is a level of a misery Russians are facing, and must deal with.
    Winning a war is for amateurs.

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:45 am

    The amount of people panicking in telegram of Russia potentially gonna lose a village cause "it's the road to Izyum" don't seem to really understand how conflicts work.

    It also makes me question general intelligence of people.

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    Post  limb Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:03 am

    Allegedly volkhov yar is holding, but 2 russian units are encircled and fighting to the end. Russia lacks any forces there to mount a counterattack.

    How many troops do you need?
    For the ukrainian frontline? around 450000-500000, not 150000-200000.
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    Post  Firebird Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:36 am

    August and before was a slow affair. Banderascum troops dug into fortifications.
    What Russia wanted was for those vermin to show their heads and come out in the open.
    And now they are doing that.
    What would Russia want to do? Beckon the filth out... and kill them.
    And all the propaganda of "Ukrainian successes" beckons the garbage out even more.
    And means more Bandera deaths.

    I wouldn't panic at some British/American/Banderastani news sources or some 5th columnist cretin. Hohol troops out in the open means Hohol deaths.
    Russia amassed aviation and much more before this. I don't see the point in attacking leaders whilst this is going on.

    My suspicion is that things ARE going according to plan. Yes in a war there tragically ARE deaths of decent people. But I suspect the more Bandera-filth storm forward, the better it will be for Russia in overall terms.

    And I also think its high time Russia took the proxy war to the puppet masters. With 780 foreign bases (often despised by the locals) America is a sitting duck. THat would gather their minds a bit.

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    Post  limb Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:42 am

    Firebird wrote:August and before was a slow affair. Banderascum troops dug into fortifications.
    What Russia wanted was for those vermin to show their heads and come out in the open.
    And now they are doing that.
    What would Russia want to do? Beckon the filth out... and kill them.
    And all the propaganda of "Ukrainian successes" beckons the garbage out even more.
    And means more Bandera deaths.

    I wouldn't panic at some British/American/Banderastani news sources or some 5th columnist cretin. Hohol troops out in the open means Hohol deaths.
    Russia amassed aviation and much more before this. I don't see the point in attacking leaders whilst this is going on.

    My suspicion is that things ARE going according to plan. Yes in a war there tragically ARE deaths of decent people. But I suspect the more Bandera-filth storm forward, the better it will be for Russia in overall terms.

    And I also think its high time Russia took the proxy war to the puppet masters. With 780 foreign bases (often despised by the locals) America is a sitting duck. THat would gather their minds a bit.
    If the ukrainians capture balakleya or even izyum, do you believe the russians can drive them out?
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    Post  Firebird Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:33 am

    limb wrote:
    Firebird wrote:August and before was a slow affair. Banderascum troops dug into fortifications.
    What Russia wanted was for those vermin to show their heads and come out in the open.
    And now they are doing that.
    What would Russia want to do? Beckon the filth out... and kill them.
    And all the propaganda of "Ukrainian successes" beckons the garbage out even more.
    And means more Bandera deaths.

    I wouldn't panic at some British/American/Banderastani news sources or some 5th columnist cretin. Hohol troops out in the open means Hohol deaths.
    Russia amassed aviation and much more before this. I don't see the point in attacking leaders whilst this is going on.

    My suspicion is that things ARE going according to plan. Yes in a war there tragically ARE deaths of decent people. But I suspect the more Bandera-filth storm forward, the better it will be for Russia in overall terms.

    And I also think its high time Russia took the proxy war to the puppet masters. With 780 foreign bases (often despised by the locals) America is a sitting duck. THat would gather their minds a bit.
    If the ukrainians capture balakleya or even izyum, do you believe the russians can drive them out?


    No I think the Ukrainians will be in Vladivostok by 4pm and there will be a swastika raised over the Kremlin by about 1:30 today.🙄

    Either that or anyone who believes the Ukrainian propaganda tripe needs to be consigned to a mental hospital.🙄


    Lure them out, expose them, kill them. Very simple.

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