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    Post  Hole Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:28 pm

    The operation in Kherson/Nikolaev regions is exactly what the russian side wanted.

    The last time they destroyed 2 or 3 columns of men/vehicles with artillery before they could attack. Result: 200 to 300 dead. A few dozen destroyed vehicles. The rest retreated.

    This time they let them come closer. Cross a small river. Enter a village. Result: up to 4.000 dead. 8.000+ wounded. Roughly 200 destroyed vehicles. And because the big meeting is coming up in 2 days the UkroNaziRegime can´t retreat and has to keep sending more cannon fodder to the front.

    The little attack in Kharkov region is most likely a distraction for the bloody nose they got in the south.

    https://thesaker.is/going-tactical-and-ballistic-andrey-martyanov/
    To put things into perspective, Martyanov talks about the scale of the UkroNazi attack and their "success".

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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:31 pm

    walle83 wrote:Russia buys millions of rockets and artillery shells from North Korea

    Russia is purchasing millions of rockets and artillery shells from North Korea to re-energise its offensive in Ukraine, according to recently declassified US intelligence, as western sanctions begin to choke Moscow’s supply of weapons.

    The Russian ministry of defence was “in the process of purchasing millions of rockets and artillery shells from North Korea for use on the battlefield in Ukraine”, a US official said, citing intelligence recently cleared for public dissemination.

    “This purchase indicates that the Russian military continues to suffer from severe supply shortages in Ukraine, due in part to export controls and sanctions,” the official added.

    Moscow’s military dealings with North Korea come after recent disclosures that it is also relying on another pariah nation, Iran, to support its war in Ukraine. Russia received its first shipment of Iranian combat drones last week and was likely to receive more, US officials said.

    Iran and North Korea are widely seen as relatively unreliable providers of military equipment. US officials said some of the drones purchased by Russia from Iran had experienced mechanical failures.

    Those officials pointed to Russia’s decision to purchase weapons from the two countries as evidence that export controls and sanctions were significantly hindering Moscow’s ability to meet its weapons supply needs.


    https://www.ft.com/content/f614c922-b8ec-4f2b-bf74-a5b22b3fecc5
    https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-is-buying-artillery-ammunition-nkorea-report-2022-09-06/

    not that they ever would because they have their own backyards to take care of, but if Russia was to plan a major offensive to speed things along it might be beneficial to utilize Iranian and Korean forces in Ukraine so they could get live training against American and NATO tactics so they could better defend their homelands against future aggression.

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:31 pm

    Hole wrote:The operation in Kherson/Nikolaev regions is exactly what the russian side wanted.

    The last time they destroyed 2 or 3 columns of men/vehicles with artillery before they could attack. Result: 200 to 300 dead. A few dozen destroyed vehicles. The rest retreated.

    This time they let them come closer. Cross a small river. Enter a village. Result: up to 4.000 dead. 8.000+ wounded. Roughly 200 destroyed vehicles. And because the big meeting is coming up in 2 days the UkroNaziRegime can´t retreat and has to keep sending more cannon fodder to the front.

    The little attack in Kharkov region is most likely a distraction for the bloody nose they got in the south.

    https://thesaker.is/going-tactical-and-ballistic-andrey-martyanov/
    To put things into perspective, Martyanov talks about the scale of the UkroNazi attack and their "success".

    You are one of the few here who isn't pushing the chicken little nonsense or spreading new fakes (Walle).

    It is kind of telling actually, how dumb people can really be.  They were lied to about Iranian and Chinese weapons so now they go for the NK ones (its easy to prove or disprove - show the shells that have proof they were made in NK).  But they shill this nonsense because it either fits their wanted narrative or they lack grey matter between the ears and thus parrot whatever is being told in their trash media.

    ucmvulcan wrote:

    not that they ever would because they have their own backyards to take care of, but if Russia was to plan a major offensive to speed things along it might be beneficial to utilize Iranian and Korean forces in Ukraine so they could get live training against American and NATO tactics so they could better defend their homelands against future aggression.  

    While it would be good if NK and Iran did provide assistance by being there, it is best Russia keeps it to the locals more so than foreigners. For locals sakes at least. Instead, maybe NK should be sending forces to Syria to assist, that's a great way to get training and tactics done. Let the Russians provide transportation.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:36 pm

    sepheronx wrote:

    You are one of the few here who isn't pushing the chicken little nonsense or spreading new fakes (Walle).

    It is kind of telling actually, how dumb people can really be.  They were lied to about Iranian and Chinese weapons so now they go for the NK ones (its easy to prove or disprove - show the shells that have proof they were made in NK).  But they shill this nonsense because it either fits their wanted narrative or they lack grey matter between the ears and thus parrot whatever is being told in their trash media.

    Yes , it was such a good idea to let Ukrainians mass their reserves and gain a bridgehead on ingulets

    It was very smart to let Ukrainians mass reserves and attack balakleya

    Despite having satellites and drones to track movement of personnel and just kalibrating the barracks

    It's better to have them charge the guys with their equipment massed

    We lost a bridgehead , settlements, and postponed the kherson referendum

    But all the doubters are idiots that don't understand 6th dimensional putin-shoigu chess games

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:39 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:

    You are one of the few here who isn't pushing the chicken little nonsense or spreading new fakes (Walle).

    It is kind of telling actually, how dumb people can really be.  They were lied to about Iranian and Chinese weapons so now they go for the NK ones (its easy to prove or disprove - show the shells that have proof they were made in NK).  But they shill this nonsense because it either fits their wanted narrative or they lack grey matter between the ears and thus parrot whatever is being told in their trash media.

    Yes , it was such a good idea to let Ukrainians mass their reserves and gain a bridgehead on ingulets

    It was very smart to let Ukrainians mass reserves and attack balakleya

    Despite having satellites and drones to track movement of personnel and just kalibrating the barracks

    It's better to have them charge the guys with their equipment massed

    We lost a bridgehead , settlements, and postponed the kherson referendum

    But all the doubters are idiots that don't understand 6th dimensional putin-shoigu chess games


    Or, maybe you do not bother to read what others state and why these happen.  Ukraine lost so much while gaining about 10km^2.  But you are a military genius.

    No, you aren't.  I dont want to stroke any kind of false ego you have.  You are neither a military genius, or even remotely intelligent.  Let the enemy take ghost villages, and strike them.  Kherson is clearly a way to goad the Ukrainians and they took it.

    You make it sound like Russia actually lost something.  LOL.  They didn't and gained most back either case.  But you will never acknowledge it because you both: 1) Lie a lot and 2) act like a woman on her period.  Logic fails you and will continue to fail you and I honestly think you should be banned for your trolling and lying.  But we know Garry is OK with lies and trolls on this forums.  If I was still moderator though, you would have been long gone.  I dont think there is a person here, besides known liars like Limb and Walle, who dont have you on ignore list.  Maybe I am doing a disservice to this forum by quoting you and instead, we should all ignore you so that you can just go back to whatever hole you live in and wallow in pain over how things aren't going how you want it and how it should be to you.

    Edit: oh yeah, add Odin of Moron to the list too.  That guy is about as useful as tits on a bull. Rants about Ukrainians ruling Poland all the time. When we all know Poland is its own kind of crazy (he reflects that).

    So for now on, I'll just keep you on ignore and wont bother reply to you.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:52 pm

    sepheronx wrote:


    Or, maybe you do not bother to read what others state and why these happen.  Ukraine lost so much while gaining about 10km^2.  

    What was lost? Cannon fodder? They don't care about their own men, and the equipment is just replaced, like autospawning Ukr airforce which was supposedly gone in March,  but magically stays in air, no wait its not magic the west just replaces lost equipment

    No, you aren't.  I dont want to stroke any kind of false ego you have.  You are neither a military genius, or even remotely intelligent.  Let the enemy take ghost villages, and strike them.  Kherson is clearly a way to goad the Ukrainians and they took it.



    This happened in Kharkov and Kiev months ago, Russian army still is by Belarus and racing in biathlons, i guess we are like ukrainians attacking backwards


    You make it sound like Russia actually lost something.  LOL.  They didn't and gained most back either case.  But you will never acknowledge it because you both: 1) Lie a lot and 2) act like a woman on her period.  Logic fails you and will continue to fail you and I honestly think you should be banned for your trolling and lying.  But we know Garry is OK with lies and trolls on this forums.  If I was still moderator though, you would have been long gone.  I dont think there is a person here, besides known liars like Limb and Walle, who dont have you on ignore list.  Maybe I am doing a disservice to this forum by quoting you and instead, we should all ignore you so that you can just go back to whatever hole you live in and wallow in pain over how things aren't going how you want it and how it should be to you.

    lmfao

    Edit: oh yeah, add Odin of Moron to the list too.  That guy is about as useful as tits on a bull.  Rants about Ukrainians ruling Poland all the time.  When we all know Poland is its own kind of crazy (he reflects that).

    So for now on, I'll just keep you on ignore and wont bother reply to you.



    okay, and when west embarrasses dumbfuck Kremlin next time by blowing up a base or assassinating the next unsuspecting Russian, il be here to point out why


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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:54 pm

    walle83 wrote:Russia buys millions of rockets and artillery shells from North Korea

    Russia is purchasing millions of rockets and artillery shells from North Korea to re-energise its offensive in Ukraine, according to recently declassified US intelligence, as western sanctions begin to choke Moscow’s supply of weapons.

    The Russian ministry of defence was “in the process of purchasing millions of rockets and artillery shells from North Korea for use on the battlefield in Ukraine”, a US official said, citing intelligence recently cleared for public dissemination.

    “This purchase indicates that the Russian military continues to suffer from severe supply shortages in Ukraine, due in part to export controls and sanctions,” the official added.

    Moscow’s military dealings with North Korea come after recent disclosures that it is also relying on another pariah nation, Iran, to support its war in Ukraine. Russia received its first shipment of Iranian combat drones last week and was likely to receive more, US officials said.

    Iran and North Korea are widely seen as relatively unreliable providers of military equipment. US officials said some of the drones purchased by Russia from Iran had experienced mechanical failures.

    Those officials pointed to Russia’s decision to purchase weapons from the two countries as evidence that export controls and sanctions were significantly hindering Moscow’s ability to meet its weapons supply needs.


    https://www.ft.com/content/f614c922-b8ec-4f2b-bf74-a5b22b3fecc5
    https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-is-buying-artillery-ammunition-nkorea-report-2022-09-06/

    Classic poppycock.

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    Post  Isos Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:17 pm

    It seems they are forming a new group which could mean a new front will be opened or they will just push through the entire country now that ukraine has lost probably 100k fighters.

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    Post  limb Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:41 pm

    How fortified was kodema? Did it have hundreds of km of underground tunnels and concrete bunkers?
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    Post  lancelot Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:45 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:More regular Russian soldiers are needed on the front, instead of LDPR reservists.
    Parts of the front which Ukrainians always attack first are manned by republics reservists. Happened first in Kherson and then now in
    Balakleya. Also, defensive lines are understaffed with infantry. That is still a problem.

    I don't even want to mention still standing bridges and other operating infrastructure that is used by Ukrainian military, throughout the country.
    My guess is Russia is trying to figure out who is loyal and who is not. These Russo-Ukrainian reservists man the frontlines while Russian veterans are the mobile reserve. A lot of people forget but these Donbass militia guys have been fighting Ukraine for almost a decade as well so it is not like they are as inexperienced as some like to think. What I think is kind of criminal is how even after Donbass recognition Russia still drib feeds these militia with supplies. As for lack of infantry, or whatever, that is what happens without full mobilization while in a huge nation like Ukraine.

    With regards to the bridges and whatnot, I think this is part of Russian strategy, let them bring their supplies close to our supply area, where they can be destroyed easily. Had Russia bombed those bridges and allowed them to make a concentrated final stand close to Polish border, them this war would have been hard to win, as Russia would lose more tanks and vehicles with extended lines. As is, Russia is bleeding both Ukraine and Poland out of equipment. Hundreds of Polish tanks commited to latest Kherson offensive for example just gone under a barrage of artillery and aviation fire.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:08 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:There are, obviously, illogical things in the thinking of military and political structures.
    First of all, i don't understand why Ukrainian SBU and GUR are still not declared terrorist organizations.
    Their operatives and people that they hire should be treated as such.

    Second thing is that the leadership is trying to behave like everything is normal. For example, tank biathlon was completely
    unneeded and it was just a PR bullshit. More regular Russian soldiers are needed on the front, instead of LDPR reservists.
    Parts of the front which Ukrainians always attack first are manned by republics reservists. Happened first in Kherson and then now in
    Balakleya. Also, defensive lines are understaffed with infantry. That is still a problem.

    I don't even want to mention still standing bridges and other operating infrastructure that is used by Ukrainian military, throughout the country.

    These are indeed legit questions that should be asked to the Russian government.  Hopefully someone will bring it up at an upcoming QA with VP.

    This gave me a good laugh. The naivety I mean. Unfortunately, that's not how it works.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:23 am

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    🇬🇧🇺🇦 Izyum front: situation near Balakleya
    by the end of September 6, 2022

    Today, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, after a long artillery preparation along Balakleya, Izyum, logistics routes and warehouses of the RF Armed Forces, launched an attack on Balakleya from the west from Andreevka.

    🔻Due to its geographical position, without control over Balakleya, it is difficult to secure the northwestern flank of the group based in Izyum. In addition, if someday the Russian Armed Forces again pay attention to Kharkov itself, a convenient route runs from Balakliya through Zmiev to the Slobodskoy and Industrialny districts of the regional center.

    ▪After inflicting massive fire damage on mobilized militiamen from the DPR, who were on the defensive in the nearby forests, the Armed Forces of Ukraine entered the village of Verbovka.

    From there, the only route to the territory of the 65th arsenal and Balakleya itself through the Srednyaya Balakleyka River is still preserved. The bridge across the river is intact, fighting is going on for control over it.

    ▪From Recruitment, the Armed Forces of Ukraine developed success towards the village of Yakovenkovo, trying to move towards Volokhov Yar and completely block Balakleya from the north.

    Now the road Volokhov Yar - Balakleya is under the fire control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    ▪Bridges located to the south across the rivers Balakleyka and Extreme Balakleyka: undermined, so communication with the central regions of Balakleya is now interrupted.

    The Ukrainian formations did not enter the Camp area located on the western bank of the Balakleyka River to the north of its tributary (the Lyakhovaya River). There is also no confirmation of the presence of the RF Armed Forces in this area.

    ▪Reports have been received about the advance of the Russian Armed Forces south of the village of Bayrak and the expansion of the control zone towards Gusarovka. But so far there are no facts that could confirm this.

    🔻At the moment, Balakliya is in the operational encirclement and in the zone of fire destruction of Ukrainian artillery. All entrances are cut by fire
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    2 Tochka-U missiles were shot down over Belgorod region today
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/23348?single

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:26 am

    ▪In the Izyum direction, Ukrainian formations launched an attack on Balakleya, taking the city into an operational encirclement:
    ➖Ukrainian forces were able to occupy the villages of Verbovka and Yakovenkovo ​​in the north-west of Balakliya, after which they tried to move towards Volokhov Yar and cut the road to Kupyansk, fighting is going on in the area. The Volokhov Yar-Balakleya highway is under the fire control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    ➖The parties are fighting for control over the surviving bridge from Verbovka to Balakleya across the river Srednyaya Balakleyka. The bridges to the south across Balakleyka and Extreme Balakleyka were destroyed, so the western and southern parts of Balakleyka were cut off from the central part of the city.
    ➖In fact, Balakleya is in the operational encirclement of Ukrainian troops. All transport arteries leading to the city are cut off by fire.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:27 am

    Rybar has confirmed the Ukrainians have swarmed balakleya

    What a disappointment , as said right flank of grouping at izyum is now under threat

    So gains at shestakovo are for nothing if ukrops take Balakleya
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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:33 am

    @lancelot
    Yes supplies are still not sorted out completely. 
    I bet that it is a political decision to let locals fight and free as much as possible of " their" country, but there's no mandatory mobilization on newly taken areas and original Donbass forces are bleeding already 8 years. 
    Hence you need more regular Russian infantry, even if it is not politically popular. 
    As for declaring GUR and SBU as terrorist entities, i am dumbfounded why that isn't happening. They continuously execute Russian friendly civilians and administration in the newly taken territories and conduct terror attacks.


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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:54 am

    "Quantity has a quality of its own" - wise leader once said.

    Effectiveness varies... see the Chinese in the Korean campaign or the Vietnamese but it does provide results. A huge front line with such limited force employment by the defense..... well... holes (weakness) will be found if probed enough. Now it's a game of whack-a-mole.... sometimes the moles have some success. It's foremost a stress test. The bigger questions still remain... why allow top regime leadership to live? why allow reinforcements to pour from Poland almost unimpeded? why continue to allow "provocations"/shelling on a nuclear power plant? why push for "talks"? why recognize the regime in 2014? why allow the coup to take place in the first place - aka what did you know, when did you know and what did you do about it?.... we're never gonna get the real answers to that and many more pertinent question....political career defining questions for "illustrious leaders".... you'll be lucky to get a false one.

    The crystal ball users... aka Medvevev and Luka seem to agree on a military coup happening in Ukraine (more like old wishful thinking/goading/encouraging for a hero in shining armour to appear.....lets not pretend they know when they didn't see shit for the last 8 years and counting). The odds are at the same level as a broken clock being right twice a day. Signaling is cheap however so I can't fault for trying.

    And Putin's public speaking dog is talking the dirty word (that is, detente). That word shouldn't exist in the Russian political lexicon after its disastrous result but somehow it still does...hard to say if it's wishful desperation - aka a signal, or simply the words of an idiot. Seems all the Kremlin boys and those connected are fine tuned to the crystal ball. Just wondering if they upgraded from the one they've had until yesterday.


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    Post  JohninMK Wed Sep 07, 2022 1:05 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    walle83 wrote:Russia buys millions of rockets and artillery shells from North Korea


    https://www.ft.com/content/f614c922-b8ec-4f2b-bf74-a5b22b3fecc5
    https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-is-buying-artillery-ammunition-nkorea-report-2022-09-06/

    Classic poppycock.

    I read yesterday that this report originally came from an unidentified US intel source.

    The Pentagon has been slowly rowing it back since.

    Likely the result of a fevered brain.

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    Post  Regular Wed Sep 07, 2022 1:07 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Rybar has confirmed the Ukrainians have swarmed balakleya

    What a disappointment , as said right flank of grouping at izyum is now under threat

    So gains at shestakovo are for nothing if ukrops take Balakleya

    Sorry, but Rybar is full of shit these days. I will change my mind when I see destroyed Leopard tanks. Also, notice last time they also cried that sky was falling.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Sep 07, 2022 1:27 am

    walle83 wrote:Russia buys millions of rockets and artillery shells from North Korea

    FFS man, the sources are FT and Reuters, from a report apparently from US Intel.  Considering this is now a battle of attrition between Russia (& China & Global South) and the Globalist Murkan/Eurotrash Continuum why would anyone think that such compromised sources can be trusted?  They have no more cred than the clown Arestovich clown

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Sep 07, 2022 1:37 am

    Regular wrote:
    Sorry, but Rybar is full of shit these days. I will change my mind when I see destroyed Leopard tanks. Also, notice last time they also cried that sky was falling.
    Rybar was pretty much spot on in Kherson reporting.
     I don't even have that much problems with day to day operation. 
    Soldiers in the field are doing their best. 
    I don't understand what is the end game and why very obvious and easy things are not done. Forgot to also mention Kremenchug refinery, which was never hit seriously. Ukrainians managed to solve their fuel problems.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Sep 07, 2022 1:38 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    Sorry, but Rybar is full of shit these days. I will change my mind when I see destroyed Leopard tanks. Also, notice last time they also cried that sky was falling.
    Rybar was pretty much spot on in Kherson reporting.
     I don't even have that much problems with day to day operation. 
    Soldiers in the field are doing their best. 
    I don't understand what is the end game and why very obvious and easy things are not done. Forgot to also mention Kremenchug refinery, which was never hit seriously. Ukrainians managed to solve their fuel problems.

    Rybar has been spot on since kherson began

    And vids came out on balakleya, and the map showing their approach to Yenakovo shows exactly how the reports stated

    Entrances are cutoff by fire control
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    Post  Regular Wed Sep 07, 2022 1:41 am

    It’s hard to believe that Ukrianians are given so much freedom. Russian even with limited forces should enough force multipliers to steamroll their offensive effort
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Sep 07, 2022 1:50 am

    Regular wrote:It’s hard to believe that Ukrianians are given so much freedom. Russian even with limited forces should enough force multipliers to steamroll their offensive effort

    It's 1 of 2 possibilities

    Either estimates of deployed regulars are overstated

    OR

    Worse, the military has lost confidence in the political leadership and these assholes are going to have to explain why now we are advancing backwards

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:01 am

    Or a third option, both the political and top brass military leadership of Russia is filled with way too many idiots (incompetents) and accidental traitors (to put it mildly). Including obviously apparatchik Putin - a shell of his 90s self.

    But again, Russia is such a rich country.... you can get it wrong multiple times and still have more lives than a cat. Plenty of time for course correction and escalation.


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