Russian special military operation in Ukraine #23

The come down and hangover that the Banderacucks are going to have after this one is gonna be bad.

Russia simply has the military power to beat down anything like this. Even if it wasn't a planned encirclement , the results will be the same as if it was.

This just shows the limitations of map autists. Ukraine drove a column down the middle of an unoccupied spaces and the autists just draw a big line around it like it's the Ardenne

caveat emptor wrote:For now, it looks like breach is stabilizing.There's a talk from Ukrainian channels that around 50k troops were deployed for this operation. If they manage to deploy reinforcements and dig in, it won't be easy to expel them.
I agree with what Geroman says:
https://t.me/geromanat/460

You think Ukraine brought 50,000 troops to the front and was unnoticed by Russia?

What do you think Russia has been shooting at towards Kaharkiv daily for the last 5 months ?

I would be surprised if the Ukes could concentrate this kind of force without the Russians knowing, if they did kudos to them and a razzy to the Russian commanders and satellite intel. So its either a trap or **** up. If its a fuckup, its then being compounded by slow response of air power to take out logistics. How Ukraine is still getting this much diesel to power their machines is a big fail, said that for while. If Russia cannot stop the flow of diesel they will pay for it with a flow of blood.

Some people need to draw...

1. Defeat is not an option for Russia. The Russian state plan is known, but it is known only to the high state leadership and certain members of the general staff.

2. Demilitarization and denazification. The Russians did not explain this either, but it is clear that they succeeded with demilitarization and that a large number of blue and yellow Nazi zombies have already been destroyed. Russia's ultimate goal is to destroy the fighting spirit of anyone who intends to fight against Russia.
Denazification is a more complex process and involves something that will take many years. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church was invented, the Russian language is banned as an official language, the state openly glorifies Nazism in schools, and all historical symbols related to Russia are killed (from street names to writers, historical figures, etc.).
Nazification was possible for the youngest and people born in the last 30+ years, while it will probably be easier for the older ones who remember the USSR to understand and change... It is necessary to denazify the youngest population.

3. I don't believe that Kharkov, Odessa or Nikolaev are of great importance to Russia. I'm not AT ALL sure if the Russians want to liberate or take control of those three cities. Whichever of those cities the Russians take, a large part of the population will leave those cities again, because some of them have been completely brainwashed. Who needs half-empty cities ? I don't think Russians attach importance to those cities. However, it is possible for the Russians to win the war without first occupying those cities, because after the destruction of the Nazi state of Ukroshitstan, the population in those cities could request a referendum to join Russia.

4. The most important thing is what Russia will do after the destruction of the blue and yellow Nazi army. I suspect that many Russian military bases will follow, wherever Russia chooses to build them, regardless of whether it will be part of Russia or the future remnant of Ukraine. Russia must establish a permanent presence of its military and its diplomacy in the vast majority of the state of Ukroshitstan. Denazification in the true sense of the word can only follow after that. Demilitarization will be resolved much faster.

5. Russia must build its own identity, and the easiest way to do that is by clearly returning to its original identity. Russians are not "soviets", but a people with their own church and with a powerful history that made modern states out of all the former Soviet republics. None of those former USSR republics said THANK YOU to Russia for that, so I consider it necessary for Russia to proudly return to its church and to shed its cosmopolitan views. Everything is clear about Russian military history and Russia has the most glorious military history in the last 300+ years or since the victory over Charles XII.

Backman wrote:You think Ukraine brought 50,000 troops to the front and was unnoticed by Russia?

What do you think Russia has been shooting at towards Kaharkiv daily for the last 5 months ?

Biggest grouping of Ukrainian military was always around Kharkhov. And they could always bring several brigades via rail network.

Broski wrote:I always have a good laugh when I spend a few days away from russiadefence.net just to come back to 14 pages of ukrop troll farm warriors, 6th columnist chickenshit hypochondriacs, brainwashed НАТО fanboys and the rest of us poor bastards that have to scroll through their bullshit every single time the Bandera regime dial up their propaganda war to 11. Always the same 7 or 8 names, too. 

Funny how you don't hear these assholes speak of the Kherson Counteroffensive anymore, a whole nine days is all it took to shut these gullible idiots up. Imagine how much faster they'll fall silent when Russia annihilates the cannon fodder marching into Balakliia.

And cry bitches like caveat will pretend he wasn't spreading fud.

caveat emptor wrote:

Backman wrote:You think Ukraine brought 50,000 troops to the front and was unnoticed by Russia?

What do you think Russia has been shooting at towards Kaharkiv daily for the last 5 months ?

Biggest grouping of Ukrainian military was always around Kharkhov. And they could always bring several brigades via rail network.

Then whats the deal with soledar and artemovsk? How did wagner only capture a small village there in 2 months, if Ukrainian force concentrations there were lower than in kharkov?

flamming_python wrote:Again falling into the trap of labeling something as a catastrophe without waiting to see how it even ends.
All judgements less than 48h, preferably 72h after the fact can be used as toilet paper. You're all buying into the propaganda battle

And 50k my ass

At one point of time Stalingrad was a massive debacle for the russian (soviet) military. Most of the city up to the Volga taken by the Germans, huge ammounts of dead and wounded. The whole german top brass was boasting about how they won the city and cut off the supply lines from the south. A few month later it was a f...ing disaster for the Germans.

Look, what we got here is similar to what happened in Syria over and over again. Some big meeting of the Friends of Al-Kaida and ISIS occurs and the day before the evil regime commited a attrocity or used chemical weapons. Result: more money coming from Washington and Brussels.

Back in April or May the Brandon regime offered 40 Bill. in "aid". In reality it´s not aid but credits that have to paid back with interest, of course, but who cares? Most of the money would stay in Washington to fill the pockets of the collective Brandon regime and his buddies, but enough would reach Kiev to bribe the clown show. The american minions offered more money for military "aid" and keeping the regime afloat.

What had the clown to offer for that roughly 60+ Bill package?

A one million men (women, transginger) army and an "counter-offensive" in the summer (August).

500.000+ of that army are already killed or wounded, but nobody cares about them. For the benevolent leaders in the west they are all Russians. The more dead the better.

The clown regime barely managed to put together some attack in the last days of August. Result so far: 20.000+ dead and wounded. Which means roughly two old style motorised infantry divisions annihilated.

There are rumours that not a single soldier is left in the whole of Kharkov. The clown regime will be in big trouble there after the cauldron behind there advancing units has been closed and the russian artillery men had their fun.

billybatts91 wrote:

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1568286764736856065

Really? A battle around one small city in an are the size of 1% of the frontline decides the whole operation? 

billybatts91 wrote:

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1568286764736856065

They say that now after spreading the catastrophe shit.

It's weird how guys like this think objectivity pays in a war of annihilation. There is no objectivity.

Hole wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1568286764736856065

Really? A battle around one small city in an are the size of 1% of the frontline decides the whole operation? 

He is certainly exaggerating, but if Kupyansk falls, Izyum will be encircled in a cauldron. It will be difficult to defend. And if Izyum falls, the chances of capturing the Slovyansk-Kramatorsk-Konstantinovka line is greatly diminished, thus the loss of the Battle of the Donbas.

Video of the destroyed bridge over the Oskol river in Kupyansk: https://t.me/boris_rozhin/63157

Hole wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1568286764736856065

Really? A battle around one small city in an are the size of 1% of the frontline decides the whole operation? 

Ukrainian succeeded a little but it's impossible for them to retake major territories.

However this operation showed that russians have a lot going wrong, starting by their reconnaissance capacity. They couldn't spot ukrinians getting 10k troops at a same place.

Su-24R would help but aren't used. Satelittes should have detected this but it seems ukrainians hided their forces very well.

The ukrainian tanks and trucks should have been hunt by attack choppers which don't seem to use a lot of ataka and khrisantema missiles.

Lack of armed drones is still critical for russians. They better really buy iranian or chinese drones or use more massively their Orion if they really have douzen of them.

The Duran is reporting that this offensive involves around 9000 Ukraine troops all together.

Hole wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1568286764736856065

Really? A battle around one small city in an are the size of 1% of the frontline decides the whole operation? 

Yeah, I'm skeptical of that too. RWA seems to be very reactionary to every little news that comes out and blows things out of proportion sometimes.

Romanian minesweeper ate an Odessa mine

First mine kill of the war , depending on if Moskva was done in by mines like they say

Isos wrote:However this operation showed that russians have a lot going wrong, starting by their reconnaissance capacity. They couldn't spot ukrinians getting 10k troops at a same place.

Did the Ukrainians tell you they weren't spotted?
Or are you telling us?

Su-24R would help but aren't used. Satelittes should have detected this but it seems ukrainians hided their forces very well.

Who says it wasn't detected?

The ukrainian tanks and trucks should have been hunt by attack choppers which don't seem to use a lot of ataka and khrisantema missiles.

If it's small DRG groups who are responsible for infiltrating and sneaking past defences to attack from unexpected directions then tanks and trucks wouldn't be targets; but attack chopper patrols would still be very useful.
However we have no way of knowing how many patrols the Russians are running and how active attack helicopters are around Kharkov.

Lack of armed drones is still critical for russians. They better really buy iranian or chinese drones or use more massively their Orion if they really have douzen of them.

Because ther hasn't been new footage published lately, or..?

billybatts91 wrote:

Hole wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1568286764736856065

Really? A battle around one small city in an are the size of 1% of the frontline decides the whole operation? 

Yeah, I'm skeptical of that too. RWA seems to be very reactionary to every little news that comes out and blows things out of proportion sometimes.

We have a lot of people like that here

flamming_python wrote:
We have a lot of people like that here

Yes. Russians are known for their "optimistic view" on life.

caveat emptor wrote:Bro you're getting too emotional, which i understand. Even if i do agree about some of your points, presenting this as some sort of a trap set up by Russians, i don't buy. There's plenty circumstantial evidence that it wasn't a trap.
And just to repeat one more time. We are discussing here. Whatever is said here will not influence anything in the real world.  From my side, i do have a weakness, that i tend not to believe in mistake free decision process  of any government or power structure. Be it Serbian, Russian or US. I am always suspicious of bureaucracy and their tendency to **** up.

You're the ones being emotional. And as a result the thread has turned into a circus. Its like a Ukr discussion with accusations of zrada everywhere. Only worse - as they're at least more deluded and thus optimistic

I'm not even engaging in damage control here. That's not what it feels like. It feels like I'm trying to instill people back with common sense which for whatever unfathomable reason seems to have left them.
Almost feels like an Ukro disinfo attack here as well, but I cant imagine this forum being of any importance. Or do they have nothing better to do.

zorobabel wrote:[ovka line is greatly diminished, thus the loss of the Battle of the Donbas.

Video of the destroyed bridge over the Oskol river in Kupyansk: https://t.me/boris_rozhin/63157

Loss of the battle of the Donbas? This is what happens to ppl when they follow Ukraine and Russian accounts. The constant hammer blows of propaganda warps them

Let me guess. You follow Russian and Ukraine accounts

flamming_python wrote:
You're the ones being emotional. And as a result the thread has turned into a circus. Its like a Ukr discussion with accusations of zrada everywhere. Only worse - as they're at least more deluded and thus optimistic

I'm not even engaging in damage control here. That's not what it feels like. It feels like I'm trying to instill people back with common sense which for whatever unfathomable reason seems to have left them.
Almost feels like an Ukro disinfo attack here as well, but I cant imagine this forum being of any importance. Or do they have nothing better to do.

I am being emotional? Did i say that they will lose a war because of it? 
All i said, from the beginning, is that someone in command of the Balakleya theater fucked up. Trying to present this as some sort of a pre-planned trap is emotional, imo.

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/ukraine-counterattacks

A pretty good summary of the current ukrainian offensive. The author claims that the ukrainians lack operational depth and haven't prevented the russian army from supplying itself, so together with the oskol and donets rivers actually protecting russians, the offensive is likely to stall. Lets hope hes right.

caveat emptor wrote:
I am being emotional? Did i say that they will lose a war because of it? 
All i said, from the beginning, is that someone in command of the Balakleya theater fucked up. Trying to present this as some sort of a pre-planned trap is emotional, imo.

Noone has said Russia is gonna lose -

But if you criticize you're on the shitlist

Only oligarchs get a pass I guess - average person, shut up and stay in line

Not so different from western mentality I guess