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    Post  Mir Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:58 pm

    ALAMO wrote:The same applies to grain.
    The flow of grain via EU border was constant for a whole war period.
    They have drained the silos to the last seed.
    Now, it is the time to find a guilty of famine in Africa, right?

    It's the new oil. I guess its a colonial thing. They like to steal things...

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    Post  Isos Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:15 pm

    I agree 100%. Those in charge should be jailed for letting this happen.


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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:24 pm

    Mir wrote:
    It's the new oil. I guess its a colonial thing. They like to steal things...

    It is much more than that bro.
    Without the supply of the Russian and Belarussian originated fertilizers, European agriculture is toasted.
    The big&loud announcement about shipping the remains of Ukro food via sea routes has a bottom small lines about reopening supply of the Russian nitro fertilizers on the US market.
    But not to Europe.
    Now the things are getting heating up, because :
    a/ in theory, if Europe cease to subsidize it's farmers, the huge amounts of cash will be left that is good enough for importing food,
    b/ but there is not enough food if we exclude big producers like Germany, Poland or France,
    c/ the European farmers will run havoc, as they already causing tons of trouble.

    Now on top of that, there is a huge drought all over Europe, and that is not the first year in a row but like 4th. But as bad as now, has never been. My oaks are draughting in my own yard, even if I water them. River transport is ceasing to exist on some directions. You can cross the Vistula with dry feet in some places. A mass ecology disaster happened in the Odra river, ecologists alarming about all biological life ceasing to exist because of pumping some chemicals with an extreme low level of water flow, that created a deadly accumulation assisted by the lack on oxygen in water. Same happens in some rivers and lakes in Germany, some of the lakes in Berlin are being cleansed of dead fishes right now.

    Isos wrote:I agree 100%. Those in charge should be jailed for letting this happen.

    Letting what happened, my friendly armchair field marshall?

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    Post  Mir Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:37 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    It is much more than that bro.
    Without the supply of the Russian and Belarussian originated fertilizers, European agriculture is toasted.
    The big&loud announcement about shipping the remains of Ukro food via sea routes has a bottom small lines about reopening supply of the Russian nitro fertilizers on the US market.
    But not to Europe.
    Now the things are getting heating up, because :
    a/ in theory, if Europe cease to subsidize it's farmers, the huge amounts of cash will be left that is good enough for importing food,
    b/ but there is not enough food if we exclude big producers like Germany, Poland or France,
    c/ the European farmers will run havoc, as they already causing tons of trouble.

    Now on top of that, there is a huge drought all over Europe, and that is not the first year in a row but like 4th. But as bad as now, has never been. My oaks are draughting in my own yard, even if I water them. River transport is ceasing to exist on some directions. You can cross the Vistula with dry feet in some places. A mass ecology disaster happened in the Odra river, ecologists alarming about all biological life ceasing to exist because of pumping some chemicals with an extreme low level of water flow, that created a deadly accumulation assisted by the lack on oxygen in water. Same happens in some rivers and lakes in Germany, some of the lakes in Berlin are being cleansed of dead fishes right now.

    They should have checked the small print before they started their little war... pirat

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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:41 pm

    Now you both are climbing to the troll level comment, hand by hand Laughing
    Ever wondered, why the 85% of the world's community sides with Russia?
    Because they see a difference.

    That is true, and what the west take advantage a lot of the time... they are not bastards... imagine if the roles were reversed over gas sales to Europe... if it was Europe that was selling gas to freezing cold Russia... would they still be selling gas... how nice would they be...

    Threatening nuclear waste is the opposite of this difference.

    Another factor is that the waste is there because the west does not know how to deal with nuclear waste from NPPs... I rather suspect Russia could haul it away and reprocess a lot of the material to make it either safe or reusable... which again would be a better international image than lowering to the wests level.

    russia has many spies that can verify some of the info.

    You have to get info from various independent sources before you put any trust in it, and of course if the enemy knows you have that information it becomes rather time sensitive anyway as they rush to change things to minimise the effect of the security breach.

    Lets test the article 5 bluff. There is absolutely nothing to lose for Russia at this point. They already have the ultimate goal to destroy Russia anyways.

    I would say there would be plenty of options for protest and complain regarding human rights etc and that they should become more politically active... perhaps even militarily active and put some pressure on the more vocal anti Russian Latvians maybe... Russia does not need Latvia and is better off without it... they already have ports and cities they can grow and develop... getting control of Latvia will just sponge money away from real Russians.

    As the west gets more desperate as they find alternative independent international organisations popping up that they have no control over they will get desperate and nuclear war might become an attractive option, but for Russia the future is actually looking brighter than it has looked in quite some time... they are moving away from the corrupt and broken west.

    There is plenty for them to lose, you gotta be unhinged to wishing and rooting for the scale of death and destruction you want to see.

    The west started this and I don't think they will stop unless they get to see the sort of death and destruction their nazi and orc proxy forces are currently enduring...

    Maybe a better appreciation of what war really is is what is needed in the west... whether it is civil war or an inflation war...

    Looks like Russia has upped its game a bit. They are having a pretty big cry about the attacks overnight. Its good to see the all the Ukraine NPC's cut down to size with this. They really believed that Crimea attack amounted to something.

    Interesting video... amusing really... two things that really stood out... the first... even if his claims were true that civilians were getting killed... he is in charge of their side so it is really up to him to end this war or keep it going... he chooses to continue fighting so any civilian deaths are his fault.
    The second was NASAMs... why did he mention their American dollar value?

    It sounds like a sales pitch to promote these missiles for sales to other countries...

    It fires AMRAAMs... so if they fail then how embarrassing will that be for the west... the primary air to air missile used by all HATO countries fails to shoot down Russian jets... it is a corner stone of their air power...

    The same applies to grain.
    The flow of grain via EU border was constant for a whole war period.
    They have drained the silos to the last seed.
    Now, it is the time to find a guilty of famine in Africa, right?

    More than that... when they finally negotiated for ships to come and get the grain despite promises most of them ended up going to European ports to offload their grain... it seems the European countries outbid their original customers...

    Letting what happened, my friendly armchair field marshall?

    Obviously after one accident all Russian aircraft must be fuelled and armed in underground bunkers three stories deep... ignoring that the ones that were actually damaged were in riveted protected areas and not out in the open like these aircraft are...

    Protected hangars are not a bad idea but having a hissy fit seeing aircraft on an apron is pathetic... even western airbases have aprons with aircraft lined up... and if HATO do it it must be OK. Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Isos Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:42 pm

    ALAMO wrote:

    Isos wrote:I agree 100%. Those in charge should be jailed for letting this happen.

    Letting what happened, my friendly armchair field marshall?

    This armchair genius. They libe up their aircraft so that one hit destroys plenty of them.

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    Post  Belisarius Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:42 pm

    Keeping your aircraft in a line on an airbase it's something everyone does.

    Turkey:
    https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/i?id=28a2b9b1117a23f1fdf3cdad56f29677-5233210-images-thumbs&n=13

    USA:
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    UK:
    https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/i?id=45a03a92d6ef700cf34d421d95f6c462-5500335-images-thumbs&n=13


    France:
    https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/i?id=30a6a8d77c0d733f11536557e9e79ac8-4577841-images-thumbs&n=13

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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:44 pm

    They should have checked the small print before they started their little war...

    But western politicians are bastards and will double down and say the sanctions were a good idea.... they just should have gone even harder and everything would have worked out fine.

    Everyone else was wrong but them... it is not their fault... it is Putins fault... everything is Putins fault... he tricked them in to this path...

    This armchair genius. They libe up their aircraft so that one hit destroys plenty of them.

    Well one armchair expert to another... those U shaped shadows around the aircraft in the top of the picture are called rivetments and are mounts of earth that stop munitions exploding on the ground from damaging the aircraft they protect from nearby explosions... obviously when there is a grass fire and lots of ordinance being blown around the place then even hangars are not great unless they are hardened bunker types ones which are expensive...


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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:44 pm

    Oh, a good old measures Laughing

    https://t.me/Mikle1On/4890

    EXILE!

    Isos wrote:
    This armchair genius. They libe up their aircraft so that one hit destroys plenty of them.

    OH NOOOO!
    WAR IS HAPPENING!!!!
    NOOO!
    Respawn! Respawn! Respawn!


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    Post  Isos Thu Aug 18, 2022 4:45 pm

    Those are peace time airbases. The one on the picture is in Crimea close to the front line where ukrops can attack.


    Also go check nato airfields. They have ashitton of hangars and you will almost never see aircraft outside. On your picture they lined them just to take some nice pictures.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:04 pm

    Shows clearly who is the boss Laughing

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    After that, an emergency meeting of the US ambassador to Ukraine was held, in which Andriy Yermak was advised not to touch Zaluzhny, ”the Ukrainian media write..

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    Post  lyle6 Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:23 pm

    T-72B gets its paint chipped by Javelin:

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    Post  Hole Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:31 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Backman wrote:To invade Kiev would require a major military operation and many, many people would die.

    Yes, but there are options other than trying to storm the city.  Firstly, Russia destroys the Ukro military in the field. Then blockade and embargo Kiev.  Cut the electricity, water and gas.  Force the authorities to capitulate.  If people suffer then that is tough.  The regime has lost, and they need to surrender unconditionally. When things get desperate enough, people will flee and abandon the failed regime.

    I wrote this about Kiev, but maybe its more pertinent to invoke this in relation to Kharkov Very Happy   Sounds like the Russian national forces (naval infantry) are pushing and making advances around Kharkov.

    Go boys! Take these MFers down and ram a dagger thru the heart of this disgusting regime. Twisted Evil

    This is the solution for Kiev over next several decades (oversized here, Kiev Supervision Zone should be smaller):

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    Make sure airport and powerplants​ are outside




    And keep Klitschko as mayor, they deserve it.  Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 18, 2022 5:50 pm

    lyle6 wrote:T-72B gets its paint chipped by Javelin:


    That looks like a miss, to begin with. Like hit in side fuel tanks or something.
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    Post  kvs Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:00 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    lyle6 wrote:T-72B gets its paint chipped by Javelin:


    That looks like a miss, to begin with. Like hit in side fuel tanks or something.

    So when it fails to do any damage it must be a "miss"? That is still a total failure.
    Where is the super duper high tech guidance on this POS?

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:06 pm

    It turns out the missile parts from a few days ago was not a British Brimstone, but a first generation American Hellfire missile.

    Via Slavyangrad on Telegram:

    A detailed study of electronic circuit boards from a missile found at the site of the impact in Energodar turned out to be a missile based on the first generation of American AGM-114 Hellfire missiles (Fig. 1), which were discontinued about 30 years ago ❗ (in 92- oh year). It has nothing to do with the promoted Brimstone, although outwardly it has similar features.

    This fact is confirmed by the following evidence.


    More details here 👉 https://vk.com/wall-123538639_2907556
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:08 pm

    That is just another issue that sums up a crappy overall performance that has already been discussed.
    It can't be used by low skilled troops. If they are skilled enough, it still can't be used because of technical problems. If the technical problems won't affect the start sequence, it still can hit the ground after leaving the tube. If left the tube, hasn't hit the ground, it still can be misguided. If not misguided, it can be a dude. If not dude, it still can hit the wrong part of a tank - what we see here as it strikes at a high side angle a target that has a gun facing a misleading direction, and that together probably fooled the targeting system. If - finally - it hit the target properly, it can be defeated by countermeasures.
    When finally one out of 10 hit and score, all the western MSM start a masturbating campaign about how much Wunderwaffe it is, and the same material will spread along Twitter for 2 months.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:09 pm

    Quid pro quo?

    TEHRAN, Aug. 17 (MNA) – Media sources reported on Wednesday that the sound of massive explosions was heard in the Americans' base near the Al Jabseh oil field of Syria.

    Heavy explosions occurred in the ammunition depots of the Americans' base near the Al Jabseh oil field in al-Shaddadi town in southern al-Hasakah Governorate, northeastern Syria, Sputnik reported quoting local sources.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:42 pm

    It turns out the missile parts from a few days ago was not a British Brimstone, but a first generation American Hellfire missile.

    The Brimstone is based on the American Hellfire and they modified everything in it so I would guess they probably modified old stock missiles to make Brimstone because anything important was being replaced with their own bits so even ancient Hellfires could be used... in fact they would be cheaper so I suspect they would be preferred.

    The obvious other comment is that Britain said it was supplying Brimstone (based on Hellfire) Have not heard of any other country offering Hellfires of any type...

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    Post  LMFS Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:47 pm

    ALAMO wrote:That looks like a miss, to begin with. Like hit in side fuel tanks or something.

    It is a top attacking missile
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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:56 pm

    State of the art super duper top attack missile that only has 750mm penetration because it attacks top armour that is often less than a quarter of that...

    Russia was going to lose to HATO because Russia didn't have an equivalent missile, even though the missiles they do have are much much better and much cheaper.

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    Post  LMFS Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:56 pm

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    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡The Russian Defense Ministry presented the results of an analysis of a possible provocation at the Zaporozhye NPP

    🔻From July 18 - the station is subjected to regular shelling by the Ukrainian army from multiple launch rocket systems;

    🔻During the shelling, the auxiliary support systems of the station and the life support facilities of Energodar were damaged;

    🔻The Ukrainian side, together with their handlers from the United States, is trying to cause, in their opinion, a minor accident at a nuclear power plant;

    🔻The United States is hushing up data on shelling and the situation at the nuclear power plant, thereby encouraging the impunity of the Kyiv regime and contributing to the possible development of a nuclear catastrophe in Europe";

    🔻The Ministry of Defense warned how the emergency situation at the Zaporozhye NPP could develop and presented a map of possible consequences;

    🔻If the situation with Ukrainian shelling continues to develop negatively, the issue of putting the 5th and 6th power units into cold reserve may be considered, which will lead to the shutdown of the Zaporizhzhya NPP;

    🔻The purpose of the Ukrainian provocation at the Zaporozhye NPP is to create an exclusion zone of up to 30 km, introduce international forces and foreign observers to the station and accuse the Russian military of nuclear terrorism

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:State of the art super duper top attack missile that only has 750mm penetration because it attacks top armour that is often less than a quarter of that...
    Russia was going to lose to HATO because Russia didn't have an equivalent missile, even though the missiles they do have are much much better and much cheaper.

    To be fair, no bigger penetration is needed for it, as in most cases no target has an armor package at that level, no matter if including ERA or not.
    And I hardly believe it even achieves that level of penetration.
    But still overengineering is clearly visible. I suppose the same applies to both Bill and top attack TOW variations.
    An easy solution that resolves the matter was applied to the Ukrainian Korsar and its derivative, Polish-made Pirat missiles.
    Both fly above the line of targeting and make a jump at the end, hitting top armor anyway, no matter that both are SACLOS laser guided. Both are extremely inexpensive considering today's standards.

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