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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Mar 26, 2022 1:55 pm

    Antonov has appealed to the international aviation community and all people concerned to join efforts to revive the legendary An-225 Mriya, the world’s largest cargo aircraft
    The restoration of the aircraft will cost more than $3 billion and take time.

    https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-society/3439020-antonov-suggests-intl-crowdfunding-effort-could-revive-mriya-giant.html
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    Post  Firebird Sat Mar 26, 2022 3:29 pm

    sundoesntrise wrote:
    Firebird wrote:Has anyone here heard the bizarre sounding theory, the gist of which is below:-

    "The Ukraine will be split up and the Nazis will die/leave... eventually But part of it will become a "new Israel".LOts of Jews will come back or just come from Israel. The claim is that shit will happen at some point in the Middle East, rendering Israel unsuitable.
    Plus there are some oligarchs in Israel who have a lot of power eg Kolomoiski"


    My view is that the whole thing sounds as weird as shit. BUT I heard it from 2 sources. One inside Russia, one from a Russian writer who lives in the USA (and hates it). I also saw some strange "Jews in Ukraine" channels appearing on Youtube.

    I wonder if the US Deep State might be exploring such an idea. Of course they would like the idea of a manipulable state near Russia. One which is very connected to the US Deep State already. ANd of course Israel already has nukes.

    I think it sounds a bit OTT. But I wonder where this rumour originated from? ANd what is the truth, if indeed any of it is?

    Please share some of the videos here. I'd like to have a look myself.

    Also on the topic of Khazaria, Zionism and the natural of Jewry a 1961 interview with Benjamin Freedman, former Jew and expert on Zionism. According to him there is quite a bit of truth to the Khazaria theory and the structuring of Khazaria as a second Jewish homeland would make sense.



    Video doesn't work, link here

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jmM0wCpsUa4

    The one source was a paid Patreon account of the Russian blogger, Ladaray.com

    The one who talked about Jews in the Ukraine generally was a YT channel called Henry Abramson.
    Abramson strikes me as an absolutely tosser. I didn't really watch his videos. Just caught some fairly antiRussian langugage. Basically I think greed for money/power/intellectual vanity blinds some of these people.
    Its seriously fucked up the are Jews actually supporting Nazism - Kolomoiski, Zelensky (is he even Jewish?) and the rabid gang over in Washington.

    The other source I had was an email from Russia.

    PS Garry yes there is a Jewish autonomous oblast in the far east of Russia, a little east of the new cosmodrome.
    A pretty quiet place as I understand.

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    Post  Firebird Sat Mar 26, 2022 3:31 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Antonov has appealed to the international aviation community and all people concerned to join efforts to revive the legendary An-225 Mriya, the world’s largest cargo aircraft
    The restoration of the aircraft will cost more than $3 billion and take time.

    https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-society/3439020-antonov-suggests-intl-crowdfunding-effort-could-revive-mriya-giant.html

    I dread to think how many fuckwits might contribute to that... to get Azov and co more arms.
    3 bn would be a whole manufacturer from scratch. (Which is what "Antonov" would need).

    I doubt Russia would need much more than 275 or so million USD to do it.
    Given that the 225 is basically a "cut and shut" An-124. Albeit with a lot of addons.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Mar 26, 2022 4:40 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    I doubt Russia would need much more than 275 or so million USD to do it.
    Given that the 225 is basically a "cut and shut" An-124. Albeit with a lot of addons.

    Steal only millions, love only princesses Laughing
    If you can rob 3bln, why stop at 275mln? Laughing
    "The world community" is ripe enough for harvesting.

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    Post  kvs Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:10 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Antonov has appealed to the international aviation community and all people concerned to join efforts to revive the legendary An-225 Mriya, the world’s largest cargo aircraft
    The restoration of the aircraft will cost more than $3 billion and take time.

    https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-society/3439020-antonov-suggests-intl-crowdfunding-effort-could-revive-mriya-giant.html

    This smells of a grift.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Mar 27, 2022 1:27 am

    kvs wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Antonov has appealed to the international aviation community and all people concerned to join efforts to revive the legendary An-225 Mriya, the world’s largest cargo aircraft
    The restoration of the aircraft will cost more than $3 billion and take time.

    https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-society/3439020-antonov-suggests-intl-crowdfunding-effort-could-revive-mriya-giant.html

    This smells of a grift.

    It comes with a Nigerian prince, some Florida wetlands, and a bridge in Brooklyn. Wink

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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:24 am

    I dread to think how many fuckwits might contribute to that... to get Azov and co more arms.
    3 bn would be a whole manufacturer from scratch. (Which is what "Antonov" would need).

    Arseholes fleecing idiots... a fool and his money are soon parted... whether it is claims to rebuild a plane when they don't control the factories it was built in... perhaps the 3 billion includes building factories too... or, more likely the money disappears and is never seen again and they wont return your calls or your money...

    I doubt Russia would need much more than 275 or so million USD to do it.
    Given that the 225 is basically a "cut and shut" An-124. Albeit with a lot of addons.

    It was a purpose built aircraft specifically designed to haul around over sized objects on its back for the Soviet space industry... if the Russians don't want it then there is no point in building it... it costs 50% more to fly than the An-124 does because it has 6 engines instead of 4, which are not amazingly reliable.

    The aircraft the Russians use is a bomber from the Myasishchev design bureau, which only has a payload capacity of 15 tons but that is plenty for fuel tanks and rocket motors inside fairings carried on its back.

    The An-225 would allow a fully fuelled and loaded Buran to be carried within its 250 ton payload capacity, and I did read somewhere it was used to carry the Buran up to altitude for glide tests with jet engines fitted to the Buran to allow go arounds if needed...

    No Buran means no need for An-225, though future plans for future shuttle and space craft design might made a modified H tail version of Slon worth while.

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    Post  kvs Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:36 am

    Russia should carry through with the Buran successor program just to rub it into the west's face. Russia needs to leverage its
    6% of global GDP contribution (via key exports) when its GDP fraction is only 2%. That is Russia is still subsidizing the world
    and getting pissed on by the self-declared leading part of it. There is enough slack in the current arrangement to afford a
    few national "vanity" projects.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:21 pm

    I do not know if this is the proper thread, so feel free to move it if not appropriate...

    I was trying to get some info on the defunct black sea shipyard in Nikolaev and I remembered that a few years ago the company Nibulon basically destroyed one of the most important parts of the shipyard (either the slipway or the drydock where the aircraft carriers were built) to install there a grain terminal. (You can see it from Google maps)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibulon

    Apparently the man responsible for it, Oleksiy Vadatursky, owner of Nibulon, has been killed on the 31st of July during a russian missile strike on Nikolaev.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62367356

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:33 pm

    Space shuttles are a waste of money in general, though Buran was a better product than the STS, but its fate was decided by other factors.

    Cheapo URM + some reusable (Space X-y) future derivative for a scalable LV is the way to go. And exploration. Put stuff on other planets again, publish cool photos and new scientific discoveries.

    RU/USSR hasn't really done anything mega cool since the Venus landers and balloons. It's all been NASA, ESA and recently, China, that has captured the imagination of the world. Stuff like that is good ass PR both home and abroad.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:39 pm

    I do not know if this is the proper thread, so feel free to move it if not appropriate...

    I was trying to get some info on the defunct black sea shipyard in Nikolaev and I remembered that a few years ago the company Nibulon basically destroyed one of the most important parts of the shipyard (either the slipway or the drydock where the aircraft carriers were built) to install there a grain terminal. (You can see it from Google maps)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibulon

    Apparently the man responsible for it, Oleksiy Vadatursky, owner of Nibulon, has been killed on the 31st of July during a russian missile strike on Nikolaev.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62367356

    Here some additional info (already posted in the Ukrainian navy thread a few years ago)

    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2674842.html
    Phantom pains: Ukraine remembers the glory of Nikolaev shipbuilding
    July 28th, 2019


    However, the problem is not only in the bankruptcy of the plant. According to Larisa Shesler, the hero of Ukraine, grain trader and great patriot Aleksey Vadatursky seriously had a hand in the destruction of ChSY.

    “Thanks to the construction of the Nibulon terminal, owned by Alexei Vadatursky, the wall of the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant was cut. ChSZ had the longest wall for the construction of large ships, several hundred meters long. The Vadatursky grain receiving terminal was built exactly in the middle of this wall and, in fact, forever deprived ChSZ of the opportunity to even start thinking about building ships. Perhaps the fact that Alexander Vadatursky was allowed to become one of the largest grain traders in the west was connected precisely with the destruction of this wall, ”says Shesler.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 08, 2022 5:11 am

    Perhaps the fact that Alexander Vadatursky was allowed to become one of the largest grain traders in the west was connected precisely with the destruction of this wall, ”says Shesler.

    That was almost certainly the deal he made with the devil.

    Regarding shuttles the concept was awful, and the US shuttle was the worst implementation of the concept you could possibly imagine.

    The Soviet model was much smarter because it was a glider sitting on a rocket that got it into space... you could put a fairing on the back of the Soviet rocket and put a 120 ton payload there for launching into orbit, so it was very flexible.

    The US shuttle was more like taking a C-130 and filling the entire payload capacity as well as external wing pylons with excess fuel... so much so that it needs two enormous very expensive solid rockets to get the thing moving.

    The US shuttle cost more than 10 times more than the Soviet Soyuz rocket for delivering new crew and returning the existing crew and the Soyuz was disposable.

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