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    Post  RTN Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:31 pm

    Ukraine's economic collapse and reducing them to a slavic north Korea is another darth putin end goal. Make capital and talented people move out, have a rotating cast of thieves rule kiev.
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    Post  franco Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:44 pm

    RTN wrote:Ukraine's economic collapse and reducing them to a slavic north Korea is another darth putin end goal. Make capital and talented people move out, have a rotating cast of thieves rule kiev.

    So where would Hunter Biden fit into this in your humble opinion?

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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:47 pm

    RTN wrote:Ukraine's economic collapse and reducing them to a slavic north Korea is another darth putin end goal. Make capital and talented people move out, have a rotating cast of thieves rule kiev.

    Man, you are an idiot.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Feb 06, 2022 7:01 pm

    RTN wrote:Ukraine's economic collapse and reducing them to a slavic north Korea is another darth putin end goal. Make capital and talented people move out, have a rotating cast of thieves rule kiev.

    In that case it looks like someone beat Putin to it...

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    Post  Isos Sun Feb 06, 2022 7:12 pm

    How so ? West invested almost 2 billion in Ukraine during the last 2 month.

    Ho yeah, they invested 2 billion of weapons that will be used inside Ukraine. Never a good thing to use weapons within your country. It's a bad sign.

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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 06, 2022 7:26 pm

    The clown in Khuyiv was begging for $5 billion in loans after/during the last Normandy Four meeting. Looks like all he is getting
    is "$2 billion" in expired sell-by date weapons.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:52 am

    Ukraine's economic collapse and reducing them to a slavic north Korea is another darth putin end goal. Make capital and talented people move out, have a rotating cast of thieves rule kiev.

    Russia tried to invest 15 billion into the Ukrainian economy which the legally elected government of the Ukraine accepted and then was overthrown in an illegal coup and that deal was torn up.... as was most of the existing trade with Russia which cost Ukraine billions.

    The EU replaced that trade with loans... and then proceeded to shred the assets of the country... this is the doing of the west.

    So where would Hunter Biden fit into this in your humble opinion?

    He was doing to the Ukraine what Bill Browder and cronies were doing to Russia in the 1990s...

    In that case it looks like someone beat Putin to it...

    The irony is that it is Putin that is directing Gazprom to pump gas through Ukrainian pipes so they get money even though it is more cost effective to bypass Ukraine and pay fines for doing so.

    Earlier, a former employee of the Security Service of Ukraine, Volodymyr Mulyk, said that the weapons supplied by the UK to Kiev to allegedly "deter Russian aggression" were expired.

    Helping an ally is cheaper than having to dispose of obsolete useless weapons and equipment... and what a hero being able to publicly show what a great friend you are by supplying help and looking down on other countries for not helping too... hilarious.

    Non Ukraine situation related economy chatter moved to here:


    https://www.russiadefence.net/t8726-economics-of-russia-ppp#357355

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    Post  kvs Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:32 pm

    Since the economy of Banderastan is entering the end stages of its flush down the toilet bowl, I expect the regime in Khuyiv to
    attack the Donbass soon. It may even happen during the Olympics. It will start with a false flag.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Feb 07, 2022 5:39 pm

    It wasn't just Russia offering 15 billion, China was also ready to invest 10 billion on top of that.

    This factor alone made it clear where Ukraine will need to go, but it all went to hell thanks to the europhilic western ukrainians, damn fools thinking it was still the 90s and the EU as some sort of savior.

    I was gringing so hard back then when some fool told the bbc reporter that they will bring europe to ukraine.

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    Post  Isos Mon Feb 07, 2022 6:30 pm

    kvs wrote:Since the economy of Banderastan is entering the end stages of its flush down the toilet bowl, I expect the regime in Khuyiv to
    attack the Donbass soon.   It may even happen during the Olympics.   It will start with a false flag.


    Or more likely Ukrainians will revolt again and remove those nazis since they destroyed the country and the EU/US never helped or invested in Ukraine and won't even do it.

    Nazis will resist and attack the people.

    People will seek russian help. Most soldier will abondon their post so that they don't attack their own people.

    Russia will roll over the bad guys left.


    It's a possible and not stupid ending to the crisis when you think about it.

    They already removed all the predecessors of Zelyinsky because they weren't as good as expected. I guess ukrainians are fed up with all this. By now they clearly saw EU/US are interested only by using them against Russia.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:02 am

    Or more likely Ukrainians will revolt again and remove those nazis since they destroyed the country and the EU/US never helped or invested in Ukraine and won't even do it.

    The problem there was that the Ukrainians didn't revolt, that was a US engineered coup that Nuland admitted cost 5 billion to engineer.

    Who is going to put up 5 billion to engineer a coup back the other way?

    Or maybe inflation adjusted they only need $12.75 and some bubblegum for a coup to turn them back.

    The problem was they were never pro Russia... they just were not so rabbidly anti Russian before, so where are all these pro Russian people going to be coming from?

    Nazis will resist and attack the people.

    People will seek russian help. Most soldier will abondon their post so that they don't attack their own people.

    Russia will roll over the bad guys left.

    The Nazis seem to be the only group in the country motivated to actually do anything... it seems to be something they can all support... I am surprised the EU has not moved its capital from Brussels to Kiev.

    It's a possible and not stupid ending to the crisis when you think about it.

    How can this grass roots group of people in Russia communicate to Russia and more importantly to the west that they want this to happen?

    More likely anyone suggesting this will get brutally murdered in the street by the police or army or government forces with western support and everyone else will shut up and take it.

    They already removed all the predecessors of Zelyinsky because they weren't as good as expected.

    It is a shit market... they chose horse shit over dog shit... there will never be anything in that market except shit... and remember these are politicians... it says dog shit or horse shit on the wrapper but when you open it it is probably all the same shit from the same animal... Zelensky promised to solve the problems and talk to the Russians... so he failed on both counts...

    I guess ukrainians are fed up with all this.

    Like westerners are fed up with politicians who lie and cheat... but there is no alternative.

    The irony is that we don't need better alternatives as such... we need accountability to make them behave properly and to kick them out when they don't behave.

    Expecting them to resign when caught in a lie or doing something wrong is absurd... these arse holes wont go unless pushed.

    By now they clearly saw EU/US are interested only by using them against Russia.

    Yeah, but they were interested only in getting lots of free money from the EU/US, so what should they have expected?

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    Post  kvs Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:32 am

    I would love to dream about Ukrainians regaining their dignity as outlined by Isos, but Garry's points bring it back down to Earth.

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    Post  calripson Mon Feb 14, 2022 6:51 pm

    https://www.rt.com/russia/549252-oligarchs-flee-ukraine-media/

    Here's a new game: Count the actual number of ethnic Ukrainians among the "Ukrainian" oligarchs who actually own the country. I'll start:

    Victor Pinchuk NO
    Rinat Akmetov NO
    Igor Kolomoisky NO
    Vadym Novisnky NO


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    Post  JohninMK Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:21 pm

    calripson wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/549252-oligarchs-flee-ukraine-media/

    Here's a new game: Count the actual number of ethnic Ukrainians among the "Ukrainian" oligarchs who actually own the country. I'll start:

    Victor Pinchuk NO
    Rinat Akmetov NO
    Igor Kolomoisky  NO
    Vadym Novisnky NO



    Why have you started a new thread for this? Why not put it in the normal Ukraine thread?

    Plus it is not military so its the wrong place anyway.

    You've been here longer than most of us so you should know.

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    Post  calripson Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:57 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    calripson wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/549252-oligarchs-flee-ukraine-media/

    Here's a new game: Count the actual number of ethnic Ukrainians among the "Ukrainian" oligarchs who actually own the country. I'll start:

    Victor Pinchuk NO
    Rinat Akmetov NO
    Igor Kolomoisky  NO
    Vadym Novisnky NO



    Why have you started a new thread for this? Why not put it in the normal Ukraine thread?

    Plus it is not military so its the wrong place anyway.

    You've been here longer than most of us so you should know.
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    Post  par far Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:07 am

    calripson wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/549252-oligarchs-flee-ukraine-media/

    Here's a new game: Count the actual number of ethnic Ukrainians among the "Ukrainian" oligarchs who actually own the country. I'll start:

    Victor Pinchuk NO
    Rinat Akmetov NO
    Igor Kolomoisky  NO
    Vadym Novisnky NO



    They are mostly Jews.
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    Post  sundoesntrise Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:20 am

    On Rinat Akhmetov's plane the following people boarded

    Dimitry Gordon is an Ukrainan journalist who recently claimed that "This should also be understood by Russian women, whose children are now standing at the borders of Ukraine - in the event of an invasion, they will be sent to Ukraine "like meat", but Putin himself and his entourage will not risk it." seems to be shipping his family out of Ukraine. Gordon himself claimed to be still in Kiev early this morning:
    «The media and telegram channels leaked the list of passengers who flew on Akhmetov's private plane.

    The list is chic and mostly you will notice the name "Gordon" there.

    Suddenly, who did not see:

    - Batsman Inna
    - Gordon Julia
    - Pus Nicholas
    - Gordon Rostislav - son of Dmitry Gordon;
    - Gordon Elizabeth - daughter of Dmitry Gordon;
    - Stepanenko Valentina
    - Avji Ludmila
    - Vasilenko Tamara
    - Vasilenko Irina
    - Gordon Liana - daughter of Dmitry Gordon;
    - Gordon Santa - daughter of Dmitry Gordon;
    - Gordon Alice is the daughter of Dmitry Gordon.

    I consider this a very kosher plane.

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    Post  kvs Wed Feb 16, 2022 12:20 am

    Lots of posers in Banderastan.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:13 am

    I would expect those who can still afford to run away like this... remember most airlines are not flying to the Ukraine at the moment, are the ones that made money on selling out to the west so if I was Ukrainian I would be taking notes and not letting them back... ever.

    They sold out their country to make a little money... with the worlds last superpower they thought they were backing the right horse I guess, but now running away it is showing their allegiance is to the US dollar and not any of the bullshit ideals they have been spouting these last few years to fortify the average Ukrainian who is not making good money in this situation...

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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:28 am

    Don't know if it is appropriate to put it here, but...

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    Post  Firebird Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:56 pm

    Has anyone here heard the bizarre sounding theory, the gist of which is below:-

    "The Ukraine will be split up and the Nazis will die/leave... eventually But part of it will become a "new Israel".LOts of Jews will come back or just come from Israel. The claim is that shit will happen at some point in the Middle East, rendering Israel unsuitable.
    Plus there are some oligarchs in Israel who have a lot of power eg Kolomoiski"


    My view is that the whole thing sounds as weird as shit. BUT I heard it from 2 sources. One inside Russia, one from a Russian writer who lives in the USA (and hates it). I also saw some strange "Jews in Ukraine" channels appearing on Youtube.

    I wonder if the US Deep State might be exploring such an idea. Of course they would like the idea of a manipulable state near Russia. One which is very connected to the US Deep State already. ANd of course Israel already has nukes.

    I think it sounds a bit OTT. But I wonder where this rumour originated from? ANd what is the truth, if indeed any of it is?
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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 25, 2022 1:10 am

    First I am hearing of it, and it sounds downright silly.

    Isn't there already jewish autonomous regions in Russia?

    You know you are a bastard when you can't live with anyone else and have to live on your own...
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    Post  kvs Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:26 am

    Sounds like some new Khazaria project.  

    I think the only way people will come back, whatever their ethnic profile, will be if the economy and political sanity comes
    back to this cursed land.   That will take decades even if the protectorates are formed.   If somehow Russia fails and NATzO
    "wins" there will be nothing left of this country.
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    Post  sundoesntrise Fri Mar 25, 2022 4:55 am

    One can't help noticing that the most vigorous and rabid Russia haters in the West are of a (((certain))) ethno-religous stock
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    Post  sundoesntrise Fri Mar 25, 2022 5:04 am

    Firebird wrote:Has anyone here heard the bizarre sounding theory, the gist of which is below:-

    "The Ukraine will be split up and the Nazis will die/leave... eventually But part of it will become a "new Israel".LOts of Jews will come back or just come from Israel. The claim is that shit will happen at some point in the Middle East, rendering Israel unsuitable.
    Plus there are some oligarchs in Israel who have a lot of power eg Kolomoiski"


    My view is that the whole thing sounds as weird as shit. BUT I heard it from 2 sources. One inside Russia, one from a Russian writer who lives in the USA (and hates it). I also saw some strange "Jews in Ukraine" channels appearing on Youtube.

    I wonder if the US Deep State might be exploring such an idea. Of course they would like the idea of a manipulable state near Russia. One which is very connected to the US Deep State already. ANd of course Israel already has nukes.

    I think it sounds a bit OTT. But I wonder where this rumour originated from? ANd what is the truth, if indeed any of it is?

    Please share some of the videos here. I'd like to have a look myself.

    Also on the topic of Khazaria, Zionism and the natural of Jewry a 1961 interview with Benjamin Freedman, former Jew and expert on Zionism. According to him there is quite a bit of truth to the Khazaria theory and the structuring of Khazaria as a second Jewish homeland would make sense.



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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jmM0wCpsUa4

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