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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 06, 2024 1:54 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    It is actually much worse than that because for most of the 70s and 80s and even 90s the vast majority of F-16s didn't have a BVR missile option...

    All of them.
    Only F-16ADF variant was upgraded to carry AIM-7.
    It was a DEDICATED air defense variant, in production up to 1992.
    Only stationing in CONUS.
    That is why it is like beating a dead horse.
    Untill the 90s, the backbone of NATO "air power" was F-16 with AIM-9.
    Confronted with SARH missiles of the WarPac fighters, it would have been a turkey shooting. And the funny fact is, that such missiles were standard for all the fighters already in the 70s, with R-3R missile introduced in late 60s for both MiG-21 and early versions of MiG-23.
    So what do we need to resolve that?
    YES! Propaganda! Laughing

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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Sep 07, 2024 8:50 am

    @kvs: canada...
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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 07, 2024 12:14 pm

    Kanada has been a safe haven for Ukr nazis. I knew a member of the SS Halichina. He was a nice guy but that does not matter.

    I once pointed out this to some colleagues and got "failure to compute" responses. Since the Kanadian media did not "inform" them, there
    was no such problem.

    Kanada is a joke.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:36 am

    Kanada has been a safe haven for Ukr nazis. I knew a member of the SS Halichina. He was a nice guy but that does not matter.

    If it was Israel asking for the list they would get it as soon as humanly possible.

    The suggestion is that the Russians might use the people on the list to somehow justify their actions in the Ukraine... but that would only make sense if these listed people and their children and grandchildren are amongst the people Russia has been capturing or killing in this conflict.

    I once pointed out this to some colleagues and got "failure to compute" responses. Since the Kanadian media did not "inform" them, there
    was no such problem.

    Many serial killers are actually quite charming when they want to be... the point is that not releasing these names is helping nazi war criminals.... and the fact that Canada is protecting such people by hiding such names makes them complicit.

    Whether it helps the Russians in terms of propaganda or not is irrelevant... this is not about propaganda, this is about criminals being allowed to get away with their crimes a half world away from the victims who suffered from their action or inaction.

    By keeping the names secret they are protecting nazi war criminals.

    Will they also protect pedophiles and rapists and murderers if Assad wants them arrested?

    The west is so messed up they likely would.

    Israel should push this matter like only they can.

    In fact they should demand the ICC start court proceedings against Trudeau and the people in charge of this organisation for protecting nazi war criminals from justice.... whether they are now nice people or not.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 08, 2024 8:23 am

    kvs wrote:Kanada has been a safe haven for Ukr nazis.   I knew a member of the SS Halichina.   He was a nice guy but that does not matter.

    Yes, but it was made by purpose, not accident.
    It was CIA and Anglosaxon secret services that carried out a planned evacuation of core nazi/bandera into Canada.
    For the purpose of being deliberately used against the Soviet Union later on.
    The historical fact is, that PL/SU border was made in a way to get the most of them into the Soviet Union. There was a real threat that young Polish statehood won't be able to deal with them, having issues with nazi underground in the west.
    Being steadily infused with the western money and people inflow, the Soviets struggled with them till the early 50s. Never dealing with them finally, as the bandera ideology emerged as early as the end of 80s when the Soviet state had lost its teeth.

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    Post  franco Sun Sep 08, 2024 12:34 pm

    kvs wrote:Kanada has been a safe haven for Ukr nazis.   I knew a member of the SS Halichina.   He was a nice guy but that does not matter.

    I once pointed out this to some colleagues and got "failure to compute" responses.   Since the Kanadian media did not "inform" them, there
    was no such problem.

    Kanada is a joke.


    Not just Ukrainian but all 3 Baltic states, Hungary, Croatia and Romanian's. Remember meeting the first family when I was a young boy not even in my teens and was so amazed it was allowed.

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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Sep 13, 2024 6:59 pm

    Are anybody scared ?

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    Post  kvs Fri Sep 13, 2024 7:46 pm

    That headline should go into the funny posts thread. The propaganda coming out of NATzO is a total clown show.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 13, 2024 11:47 pm

    The ineptitude of western journalists and the western public is what really scares Russia and China... people in the west are so fucking stupid that a lot of people will read that article and actually think it makes sense.

    When the real story comes out and it turns out the guy... one of their best most experienced pilots... was shot down by a Patriot missile and they will probably go back to thinking this story was better so they prefer to believe this one...

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Sep 14, 2024 12:22 am

    ALAMO wrote:Yes, but it was made by purpose, not accident.
    It was CIA and Anglosaxon secret services that carried out a planned evacuation of core nazi/bandera into Canada.
    For the purpose of being deliberately used against the Soviet Union later on.
    The historical fact is, that PL/SU border was made in a way to get the most of them into the Soviet Union. There was a real threat that young Polish statehood won't be able to deal with them, having issues with nazi underground in the west.
    Being steadily infused with the western money and people inflow, the Soviets struggled with them till the early 50s. Never dealing with them finally, as the bandera ideology emerged as early as the end of 80s when the Soviet state had lost its teeth.  

    Stalin fought with them but Khruschev pardoned and bought them. A lot of these Ukrainian nationalists ended up at various levels of local KGB power structures in the end. Don't know if any outright Banderites, but probably. The Soviets after all employed a lot of former Nazi German scientists. You all thought it was only NASA that stooped to that? Haha, na
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Sep 14, 2024 12:57 am

    kvs wrote:NATzO clowns think they can brainwash Russians via Telegram.

    lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1

    I interpreted them running to such extremes as them preparing for a massive escalation with Russia shortly and needing to take control over all information sources ahead of that as part of whatever "shock and awe" propaganda campaign they will cook up this time

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Sep 14, 2024 1:10 am

    PhSt wrote:So NATO Mainstream Propaganda media is doubling down in their narrative that Putin is open to negotiations with Ukraine despite the recent Ukrainian atrocities in Kursk.

    This Cheap propaganda has been debunked in the SMO thread, but NATO propaganda outfits are still hoping that some uninformed fools will take the news seriously to incite resentment toward the Russian leadership.  Rolling Eyes

    Why, what did they say that was incorrect? Rolling Eyes

    Shoigu has already stated that there can be no negotiations until Ukrainian forces leave the Kursk region. That's walking things back as about as soberly as one can.

    While Lavrov in a recent interview said that the matter of the war isn't about territory, but about the 'rights of people living in those territories', therefore making it sound like the fate of the Donbass and Crimea as Russian territory could be a subject for negotiation after all. I don't think he meant it in that way of course given the context of the conversation, that would be too much even for our ever-compromising leadership - but it did sound pretty bad.

    And Putin I don't remember what he said but he was again explaining himself not too long about not having ruled out negotiations, ostensibly for the benefit of the Indians this time who have cold feet over the way that things are going between the West and Russia or about to be going, and perhaps instintively realizing that the West is not going to yield an inch, have instead sent their man to Moscow to see if he can convince Putin to bend in his position instead.. wonder what gave them the idea that the Russian position is less principled and more malleable than the Western one is? Rolling Eyes
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Sep 14, 2024 1:18 am

    kvs wrote:Durov was a west-o-phile and thus a clown.   It is poetic justice for this clown to be reamed by the ones who he admired.


    Yes and once he got out and was making some pathetic mildly-worded statements about how 'ooh hoo France should be thinking more about not chasing away investors by going after the heads of companies' - I knew they flipped him right there and then.

    Yeah big hero of free speech who told Medvedev that it was a matter of 'principle' for him. And now has folded like a bitch barely being incarcerated for 96 hours. Not that I ever had any time for him in the first place.

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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Sep 14, 2024 8:24 am

    @kvs: canada...

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/tiff-halts-screenings-russians-at-war-threats-to-safety-1236000207/

    TIFF Halts Screenings of ‘Russians at War’ After Threats to Safety

    "This is an unprecedented move for TIFF," the fest said in a statement.


    TIFF has announced it will halt the screening of the controversial documentary Russians at War after it had “been made aware of significant threats to festival operations and public safety.”

    Trofimova sparked backlash after the film’s press conference on the Lido when she defended the film, which she made while embedded with a Russian army battalion in Eastern Ukraine.

    On Sept. 10, around 400 Ukrainian Torontonians gathered outside TIFF Lightbox, the headquarters of the major film festival. They held signs that read “Russians at War Justifies and Victimizes Killers and Rapists” and “Hello TIFF?! Russian Propaganda Kills.” Deputy Canadian Prime Minister and Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland, who is of Ukrainian background, also expressed during a press conference in Ottawa concerns over TIFF screening Russians at War.

    Following the protest, Trofimova defended the film, telling THR that it offers a perspective no one else, including official Russian TV or Western journalists, has captured.

    “Because of the geopolitical climate that exists, these guys [Russian soldiers] just wanted to share with someone. Yes, I went there and no one else has,” she explained. Her comments follow the Ukrainian-Canadian community protesting the Toronto Film Festival giving Trofimova’s film a North American premiere on Friday after a world premiere in Venice.

    "This is not a win for Canadians, including Ukrainian Canadians. We condemn Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland, Ukraine Ambassador to Canada Yuliya Kovaliv, Consul General of Ukraine in Toronto Oleh Nikolenko, the Ukrainian Canadian Congress, Senators Donna Dasko and Stanley Kutcher, MP Yvan Baker (Etobicoke Centre), MPP Christine Hogarth (Etobicoke-Lakeshore) and other political and community “leaders.” Their irresponsible, dishonest, and inflammatory public statements have incited the violent hate that has led to TIFF’s painful decision to pause its presentation of Russians at War. "

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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 14, 2024 1:21 pm

    Kanada is just another NATzO hater toilet. Russia should treat such toilets appropriately.

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    Post  franco Sat Sep 21, 2024 3:56 pm

    The Russian Government approved a list of countries imposing destructive ideologies that contradict Russian spiritual and moral values.

    The list includes all economically unfriendly states toward Russia.

    NOTE: list includes 47 nations (Israel,Hungary and Slovakia not included)

    https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1837474114019226002

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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 22, 2024 1:14 am

    While Lavrov in a recent interview said that the matter of the war isn't about territory, but about the 'rights of people living in those territories', therefore making it sound like the fate of the Donbass and Crimea as Russian territory could be a subject for negotiation after all. I don't think he meant it in that way of course given the context of the conversation, that would be too much even for our ever-compromising leadership - but it did sound pretty bad.

    Really... that is what you take from what he said?

    I would say that he means that land is not something that the Russian government and Kiev and the west should be horse trading like silk or spices, because it is the people who live on that land that should be deciding and their decision was made clear during a referendum and that is therefore final and not negotiable... which is kinda the opposite of what you are trying to suggest that everything is an option.

    Russia keeps saying take the offer of talks because as time passes the deals Russia will accept are only going to get worse.

    The minsk agreements would cost kiev the Crimea, but they would keep the rest inside their borders allowing them autonomy and to speak Russian and not be fined or killed for that, but the Istanbul agreements were a little more strict, yet still involved discussions over what to do with the four regions of the Ukraine in question... but after that those four regions had referendums and voted to join the Russian Federation so the Istanbul agreements can be a framework but those four regions are now Russian and Russian law clearly states Russian territory cannot be traded or sold... and whatever you think of Putin... he is a stickler for the law.

    and perhaps instintively realizing that the West is not going to yield an inch,

    Yes, their rock solid resolve... like in Afghanistan and Iraq and Vietnam.

    Of course there are exceptions like Korea and Japan and Germany and Cuba and Syria, but I think once you work out why they are there they could be dislodged... America... the Barnacles of the world...

    They can't keep escalating... look at their sanctions... their 15th round of sanctions was mostly sanctions on third parties that are helping Russia bypass existing sanctions... next they will be sanctioning themselves...

    have instead sent their man to Moscow to see if he can convince Putin to bend in his position instead.. wonder what gave them the idea that the Russian position is less principled and more malleable than the Western one is? Rolling Eyes

    I think the siege of Leningrad and Stalingrad and just WWII in general proved what pushovers Russians really are.... NOT.

    How quickly the west forgets... for them it is a game to increase their power and their wealth in money and resources, but for Russia this is survival and their future.


    The list includes all economically unfriendly states toward Russia.

    NOTE: list includes 47 nations (Israel,Hungary and Slovakia not included)

    Sad to see New Zealand on that list... this Ukraine bullshit has nothing to do with us really...

    Interesting that Turkey is not on that list either.

    Also interesting that Armenia and Georgia are not on the list...

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    Post  kvs Sun Sep 22, 2024 2:37 am

    The problem is that WWII did not involve a lot of sacrifice for the west, especially America. About 80% of the war was literally on the
    eastern front since that is the fraction of Nazi resources expended. I guess Germany is an exception but the rest of current NATzO
    did not lose anything like the USSR. Germany did not lose a proportional number of civilians compared to the USSR because the front
    did not spend most of the war rolling over it. In spite of all the hate propaganda, the Soviets did not devote themselves to terrorizing
    German civilians on their way to Berlin. I think all the "allied" (aka western allies) bombing killed more German civilians.

    You can see the US thinking. They believe that they can re-do WWII and get another GDP boost because they think that the front
    will be in Europe and they will be safe behind their Atlantic moat. Of course, this is terminally deluded. But it is the WWII experience
    of the yanquis that is framing their delusions.

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:28 am

    franco wrote:

    NOTE: list includes 47 nations (Israel,Hungary and Slovakia not included)

    https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1837474114019226002
    Its a fake list then. Razz

    I'm glad. My hatred of my shithole abated for a moment.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:45 am

    franco wrote:The Russian Government approved a list of countries imposing destructive ideologies that contradict Russian spiritual and moral values.
    Probably a list of pro-LGBTQ supporters of such great moves forward for society as same-sex adoption. Or maybe a list of naughty countries which imposed sanctions on Russia. Seems to be the second.
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:47 am

    https://korybko.substack.com/p/duda-ridiculously-condemned-volhynia

    Polish President Andrzej Duda betrayed the conservative-nationalist base that he’s supposed to represent by condemning Volhynia Genocide activism as a Russian plot. He was asked in an interview about Defense Minister Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz declaring that the ruling liberal-globalist coalition won’t approve Ukraine’s EU membership without it first exhuming and properly burying the Volhynia Genocide victims’ remains. Duda claimed that people like Kosiniak-Kamysz are doing Putin’s bidding.

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    Post  andalusia Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:54 am

    I want to know is this true?

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-worried-russias-admiral-kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier-might-sink-213097
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Oct 07, 2024 2:37 pm

    andalusia wrote:I want to know is this true?

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-worried-russias-admiral-kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier-might-sink-213097

    What's true?

    That it's a problematic ship? Sure
    That it will be mothballed? I haven't heard anything about that
    That it will sink? No
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    Post  lancelot Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:48 pm

    andalusia wrote:I want to know is this true?
    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-navy-worried-russias-admiral-kuznetsov-aircraft-carrier-might-sink-213097
    Western propaganda.

    The Russian government has spent a lot on the refit, including replacing all the boilers. It is not going to be retired. As if the Americans should be gloating like this, when they burnt down an LHD in port (USS Bonhomme Richard). And had to scrap it.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 08, 2024 10:45 am

    The US Navy is worried that all the effort and money they have put into the Ukraine might have been for nothing because they backed the wrong horse and while Lindsay Graham might say they wanted the 12 trillion in resources in the Ukraine and to deny that to Russia, essentially what they have actually done is denied themselves any access to the hundreds of thousands of trillions of dollars worth of resources in Russia and China and the other BRICS countries while setting in stone their own real rival and eventual demise.

    The day the US Navy was genuinely worried about something bad happening to something Russian will be a day you can go ice skating with the devil...

    But then it is on the National Interest so it is not true.

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