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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:17 pm

    Got bored, lets post some cringe.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 09, 2023 3:14 am

    Hahaha... the more they say Putin is finished the more I like his chances of becoming immortal...

    Western news agencies are getting desperate as their proxy force is about to be crushed.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:10 am

    Isn't he cured with the fluids of a giant octopus that Russian scientists dug out from the lake in Antarctica they have drilled into, 4km under the ice?
    Weird, I was informed about that by the British independent media a while ago dunno

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    Post  Hole Sun Jul 09, 2023 11:18 am

    That squid will be used now to colonize the Moon. Later Mars.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 09, 2023 1:01 pm

    There was only ever two reasons to read any British newspapers and they were always on page 3.

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    Post  kvs Sun Jul 16, 2023 11:59 am

    I see the fake stream NATzO media is back to bleating about "world food security" since the Ukr grain deal is about to be terminated.

    As usual the "world" actually refers to the EU NATzO part since over 95% of the grain was going to the EU. As a participant in the proxy war
    against Russia, the EU does not get to choose its "security".

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:05 pm

    There is quite a big deal with those grain from the perspective of Polish, Hungarian and Slovakian farmers.
    Big enough to make a political issues.
    In Poland, to quiet the situation trucks are organized in convoys and assisted by the border guard pilot.
    Only to assure that the gain won't stay in Poland, but will be transferred.
    Not sure if it is the same in Hungary or Slovakia, but will check soon as visiting both in August.
    The main issue is a fact, that Ukro grain is produced without UE regulations. That means a heavy use of all kind of chemical products that are making the grain non-food class within EU classification.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:16 pm

    That grain is poison. Let the EU have it all. Just not through Odessa port pirat

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:46 pm

    No matter how crazy it sounds, but this grain can be used in the most crazy manner you can imagine.
    As fuel.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:31 am

    The really amusing thing is that ages ago they said all sorts of stuff can be used to make fuel, but this stuff is already used for other things so when you use it for fuel as well you really need a lot more... which will mean Europe will be making the fuel it needs by using the food europe and the world needs... don't think they wouldn't do that... look at their behaviour when COVID got real... they were total bastards to each other let alone the rest of the world and their actions led to the waste of billions of vaccines that they held on to just in case they needed them and they ended up throwing them out...

    The west will bark about world famine and the poor countries but if Russia let the deal continue those poor countries will not see any food... it will all go to Europe again... still.

    The west has not met its end of the bargain so the deal should be over... no promises now to meet the deals requirements... it is too late... you don't wait for the end of a deal to start delivering on what you promised in the hopes that the deal is extended... if you really want the deal extended you would have to meet ALL the requirements of the original deal and also meet extra requirements if you want an extension on the deal and they have done neither.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:18 pm

    Actually, they did nothing to "make a fuel of it" but simply burned it instead of coal.
    In 2021 heating season corn seed was less expensive than coal while having a very similar calory index.
    Imagine a big popcorn boiler Laughing
    But sure you can always use this seed to make alcohol. Volvo experimented with dual fuel gasoline/spirit fueled cars back in the 80s.
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    Post  PhSt Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:11 pm

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    Youtube has morphed into a NATZO Propaganda machine spewing anti Russian, China, Iran, etc disinformation 24/7 and its frequency of spewing new propaganda materials is only increasing.


    Its been already suggested in the past, even before the SMO that Russia and its allies need to set up an alternative Public and multi language video hosting/ blogging sites to counter NATZO media propaganda entities like Youtube, Twitter, Facebook and Google.

    China has its own domestic counterparts for these platforms, however, its serving mostly to domestic consumers.

    Russia has Rutube, VK, Yandex, (I am not sure if Telegram is controlled by Russia), but then again most of these platforms are for internal Russian users only, If Russia can make these platforms more accessible to outside users by increasing innovations and providing a multi language function, then perhaps they will be able to attract more international users.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:57 am

    Hahaha... if they train their pilots the way they train their infantry then Russia should be just fine.

    I realise expert infantry training in HATO seems to consist of slowly walking forward into minefields and artillery barrages using the bare minimum of your armoured vehicles which are ridiculously weakly armoured, so I suspect HATO pilot training will be just as useless.

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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:41 pm

    Former or current Russian-speaking Ukrainian citizens should be laugh out loud when they read such a brazen announcements.

    Should Zelensky and the whole Maidan cabinet be arrested based on that criterion ?

    https://kyivindependent.com/sbu-charges-ex-mp-muraiev-with-treason/

    The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) informed on July 25 that it charged the former leader of the now-banned pro-Russian Nashi party Yevhen Muraiev with high treason.

    According to the SBU, Muraiev was involved in subversive activities against Ukraine and is under suspicion of treason and discrimination of Ukrainian citizens based on racial, national, religious, or regional identity or other grounds.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:20 pm

    Haha, what pathetic cope and absurd supremacist spin

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    'well, we could beat those darned russkies if we REALLY wanted to!'

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 28, 2023 3:47 am

    The Ukraine has had more money and weapons and ammo pumped into it in the last year than Russia has spent on its entire defence budget... in fact it is probably close to double what the Russians spent on defence over the year... any claim of shortage of ammo on Kievs side is because of the sheer corruption of the western military complex and the graft that is skimming money at every level of the process.

    Have a huge warehouse full of 155mm ammo and also record that there are expensive new thermal imaging sights being stored there and then transmit the location of the warehouse to the enemy and when they blow it up you can say you lost all that ammo and all those fancy night vision sights... the exploding ammo no one can deny, but those fancy expensive electronic things that were actually stored somewhere else you can write off as destroyed but you now have night vision sights you can sell and no one will realise they have been stolen. No one in the west is trying to keep count of everything they send to you, so ammo not used in training can be sold... who knows how much HE you use for training... using 100 grammes of HE instead of 500 grammes... it quickly builds up...

    It is funny that there is no ammo left in the western world but they could still beat Russia if they wanted to because obviously western forces wont use tanks or artillery it seems... they will win just by being right. Twisted Evil

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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:09 pm

    Listen to the drivel about the great Ukr counter-offensive when it comes to western tanks. Somehow old junk in too small numbers
    is so superior to T-90Ms in ample supply, so that Ukria was supposed to put Russian soldiers to flight from fear. This is terminal own
    koolaid consumption. The NATzO west has left the sanity reservation. Russia's economy was supposed to collapse in April of 2022
    (not 2023). Putin was supposed to be overthrown because of sanctions. Russia has been running out of missiles since March of 2022.





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    Post  lancelot Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:08 pm

    I have seen worse propaganda. But of course the video treats the MiG-29M as if it does not exist, when Egypt bought 46 of them. With Algeria having 14. That is about as many export sales as the Gripen got. The MiG-29K got another 45 export sales. Then there is also the MiG-35.

    The main problem with the MiG-29 was it initially had really crappy electronics. But the F-16 was about the same. It is just that those F-16s got upgraded much earlier in their life cycle than the MiG-29.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:41 pm

    really crappy electronics
    unshaven
    First in-service fighter with HMS.
    Good IRST working together with radar and the HMS.
    Home version had a radar with better BVR capability than the in-service F-15 versions of the time.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 29, 2023 4:59 am

    The main problem with the MiG-29 was it initially had really crappy electronics. But the F-16 was about the same. It is just that those F-16s got upgraded much earlier in their life cycle than the MiG-29.

    The MiG-29 scared the crap out of the west when they got to test it... during the 1980s the F-16s were Sidewinder equipped toys.

    The MiG-29 had BVR missiles from the outset and the F-16 likely would not even get close, even F-15s had problems because the MiG-29 had the passive radar homing versions of the R-27, which meant if an F-15 locked a MiG-29 with a Sparrow missile the MiG pilot could launch a faster longer ranged R-27 and then they were free to manouver any way they pleased because the R-27 would follow the pencil radar beam the F-15 would be using to track the MiG-29 so its sparrow could fly at the reflection and hit it. The F-15 wouldn't see the R-27 coming and the only way it could stop it would be to stop guiding the Sparrow, which means the Sparrow would miss.

    The R-27 had longer range than the Sparrow and was rather faster so most of the time the F-15 will be destroyed before its Sparrow hits anything and the destruction of the F-15 would mean it would hit nothing.

    Testing experience with East German MiG-29s led to enormous money being spent on AMRAAM and AIM-9X... which in itself is hilarious... how many programmes has the US broken its agreements over?

    HATO was going to adopt the American AMRAAM and in return America was going to adopt the British ASRAAM partner missile... the new versions of Sparrow and Sidewinder respectively... But just like the Americans saying they would adopt FN FALs if everyone supported their 7.62x51mm cartridge over the British smaller round, but they adopted the M14 anyway... how often do they screw their so called allies and get away with it...

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    Post  kvs Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:29 am



    You have to ask basic questions about everything. The ones in this case are a show-stopper. You have to ask the basic questions about
    the Moon footage as well. Maybe US astronauts did land on the Moon, but the videos and photos purporting to demonstrate this are fake. This
    includes the Moon buggy ejecting dust as if g=9.81. The lack of dust ablation under the lander, the converging shadows showing a local light
    source and not the Sun, etc. Physics cannot be ignored.

    One can be generous and excuse the Moon landing hoaxing based on the extremely high probability that the film-based cameras they were
    using simply failed because there was sufficient radiation (lack of atmosphere) to expose the film. But can one really excuse bald faced lying?

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    Post  Broski Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:25 am

    kvs wrote:
    Almost everything in western media is a lie and always has been, why would this be any different? Weren't they bald-face liars back then too? Indigenous people around the world have plenty to say about Perfidious Albion and its bastard child the United States.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:32 am

    They lie about everything and should not be trusted at any level on any subject.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:49 am

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