VVS Russian Airforce Force: News #2

Sukhoi and MiG competed many times during their existence. Both designed aircraft for the MFI (heavy) and LFI (light) fighter tenders in the 80's, and MiG won it, despite Sukhoi having more experience with heavy 4th generation fighter with the Su-27. And Sukhoi had designs for the LFI, which was cancelled before there were prototypes built. So no, there is no relations between MiG designing "smaller, cheaper" fighters and Sukhoi "bigger, more expensive" ones.

MOSCOW, March 24. /TASS/. Test pilot, Hero of the Soviet Union Stepan Mikoyan has died at the age of 94, the MiG Aircraft Corporation press office reported on Friday.

More:
http://tass.com/defense/937379

R.I.P.

MOSCOW, April 8 (Itar-Tass) - RIA Novosti. By January 1, 2018, the share of modern weapons and military equipment of the air defense troops of Russia will be almost 70%, Lieutenant-General Victor Gumenny, commander of the air defense and anti-missile defense forces, deputy commander-in-chief of the Russian Federation Air Force, said on the air of the Ekho Moskvy radio station.

"Today, we have about 55% of modern anti-aircraft missile forces (by modern radio equipment), 53% of radio-technical troops in the region, and there are very few of them until January 1, 2018. We are sure that if the state defense order is executed by 100%, on January 1, 2018 In our anti-aircraft missile forces and in the radio-technical troops, the share of modern weapons and military equipment will approach 70%, that is, we are moving ahead of schedule, "he said. The general specified that in the radio technical forces the share of modern weapons and military equipment will be at 66%, and in air defense missile forces - 68%.

"By January 1, 2021, that is, by the end of 2020, we will undoubtedly fulfill the decision of the supreme commander-in-chief and defense minister and in the anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense forces, the share of modern weapons will be no less than 70%," said Gumenny.

According to him, 95-97% of all equipment will be ready in this state in the combat ready condition.

Aviadarts-2017 photos

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2542955.html

Apparently Russia and China are about to finalize contract on development of new heavy-lift helicopter

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2577986.html

Payload is in the 10-14 tons range so this is more accurately described as a medium lift helo really.

Rehearsal pic:



If anyone has some more with Moscow City in the background please post

NEW YORK, May 14. /TASS/. Russia’s Su-27 fighter has flown close to a US Navy P-8A Poseidon reconnaissance plane in the Black Sea in a second similar incident this week, Fox News reported on Saturday night citing a US defense official.

More:
http://tass.com/defense/945753

GarryB wrote:Payload is in the 10-14 tons range so this is more accurately described as a medium lift helo really.

Same range of CH-47 so Heavy, I know russian have evan better birds but for the international standard is quite a lot.

http://warisboring.com/looks-like-the-russians-tried-to-lure-u-s-stealth-fighters-into-an-intel-trap/??what the Russians could have achieved from this???

moskit wrote:http://warisboring.com/looks-like-the-russians-tried-to-lure-u-s-stealth-fighters-into-an-intel-trap/??what the Russians could have achieved from this???

Very odd operation if true, first off the SU-35s would not be using there radars full capabilities and above all the F-22s have always been carrying external tanks in that area, and an A-50, very strange, it would make more sense for Russia to modify the Bear with some sensing gear instead.

AlfaT8 wrote:

moskit wrote:http://warisboring.com/looks-like-the-russians-tried-to-lure-u-s-stealth-fighters-into-an-intel-trap/??what the Russians could have achieved from this???

Very odd operation if true, first off the SU-35s would not be using there radars full capabilities and above all the F-22s have always been carrying external tanks in that area, and an A-50, very strange, it would make more sense for Russia to modify the Bear with some sensing gear instead.

End goal here is to (if possible) tweak Su-35 radar to be able to properly detect low observable aircraft. That would be why they were there.

F-22 is observable in this setup but they were probably also trying to ''separate'' aircraft signature from observable add-ons, hence A-50.

PapaDragon wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

moskit wrote:http://warisboring.com/looks-like-the-russians-tried-to-lure-u-s-stealth-fighters-into-an-intel-trap/??what the Russians could have achieved from this???

Very odd operation if true, first off the SU-35s would not be using there radars full capabilities and above all the F-22s have always been carrying external tanks in that area, and an A-50, very strange, it would make more sense for Russia to modify the Bear with some sensing gear instead.

End goal here is to (if possible) tweak Su-35 radar to be able to properly detect low observable aircraft. That would be why they were there.

F-22 is observable in this setup but they were probably also trying to ''separate'' aircraft signature from observable add-ons, hence A-50.  

Come now PD, one's you have the data you can make the adjustments, but that data doesn't need to be gathered by the SU-35 itself.

Yes, i got that, seeking other emissions other then RCS for Passive systems, i would still put that gear in a Bear, since Raptors don't mind flying close to one.

AlfaT8 wrote:..............

Come now PD, one's you have the data you can make the adjustments, but that data doesn't need to be gathered by the SU-35 itself.

Yes, i got that, seeking other emissions other then RCS for Passive systems, i would still put that gear in a Bear, since Raptors don't mind flying close to one.

I'm not saying Su-35 was gathering any data of course but they were there for reference.

In this case, the Su-35 has a form of sensor fusion thus it would be able to pick up data from its passive systems without the F-22 being able to detect that. As well, they could fit the bear with any kind of radar system to be able to track and gather intelligence.

Either way, chances are, the Russians gathered data.

PapaDragon wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

moskit wrote:http://warisboring.com/looks-like-the-russians-tried-to-lure-u-s-stealth-fighters-into-an-intel-trap/??what the Russians could have achieved from this???

Very odd operation if true, first off the SU-35s would not be using there radars full capabilities and above all the F-22s have always been carrying external tanks in that area, and an A-50, very strange, it would make more sense for Russia to modify the Bear with some sensing gear instead.

End goal here is to (if possible) tweak Su-35 radar to be able to properly detect low observable aircraft. That would be why they were there.

F-22 is observable in this setup but they were probably also trying to ''separate'' aircraft signature from observable add-ons, hence A-50.  

From what i am aware F-22s and F-35s have been flying with reflectors attached till now in areas where they could have been "inspected".

Militarov wrote:

From what i am aware F-22s and F-35s have been flying with reflectors attached till now in areas where they could have been "inspected".

That means they need closer inspection to get usable data : )

Singular_Transform wrote:

Militarov wrote:

From what i am aware F-22s and F-35s have been flying with reflectors attached till now in areas where they could have been "inspected".

That means they need closer inspection to get usable data : )

Yes, a good old fashion Serbian inspection.

From what i am aware F-22s and F-35s have been flying with reflectors attached till now in areas where they could have been "inspected".

So if they flew in Syrian air space they could be shot down with any old SAM system because radar reflectors can't be turned on and off AFAIK...

Next someone will claim the F-117 that was shot down in the Kosovo campaign also had reflectors and was not really stealth so the shoot down does not count...

Sounds to me like an excuse....

GarryB wrote:

From what i am aware F-22s and F-35s have been flying with reflectors attached till now in areas where they could have been "inspected".

So if they flew in Syrian air space they could be shot down with any old SAM system because radar reflectors can't be turned on and off AFAIK...

Next someone will claim the F-117 that was shot down in the Kosovo campaign also had reflectors and was not really stealth so the shoot down does not count...

Sounds to me like an excuse....

They cant, radar reflectors are attached and can be removed on the ground.

Well, reflectors are kinda a thing since fairly recently, to evade gathering radar signatures. Those F-22s that were in Europe recently all had em. I am just saying.

Well, reflectors are kinda a thing since fairly recently, to evade gathering radar signatures. Those F-22s that were in Europe recently all had em. I am just saying.

You are right... in peace time away from any real threats they do carry reflectors... it means potential enemies can't capture intel like radar signatures, but more importantly it means civilian and military air controllers can see them and other civilian traffic can see them to avoid accidents.

The thing is that you don't fly into enemy airspace with those things on...

Isos wrote:

Militarov wrote:

GarryB wrote:

From what i am aware F-22s and F-35s have been flying with reflectors attached till now in areas where they could have been "inspected".

So if they flew in Syrian air space they could be shot down with any old SAM system because radar reflectors can't be turned on and off AFAIK...

Next someone will claim the F-117 that was shot down in the Kosovo campaign also had reflectors and was not really stealth so the shoot down does not count...

Sounds to me like an excuse....

They cant, radar reflectors are attached and can be removed on the ground.

Well, reflectors are kinda a thing since fairly recently, to evade gathering radar signatures. Those F-22s that were in Europe recently all had em. I am just saying.

Do you have some articles ?

The thing posted by Moskit is for F-22 based in the US so maybe they were flying without reflectors.

Just stuff of this sort: http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/113970/20170505/f-22-35-stealth-fighters-evade-detection-device-makes-visible.htm

GarryB wrote:

Well, reflectors are kinda a thing since fairly recently, to evade gathering radar signatures. Those F-22s that were in Europe recently all had em. I am just saying.

You are right... in peace time away from any real threats they do carry reflectors... it means potential enemies can't capture intel like radar signatures, but more importantly it means civilian and military air controllers can see them and other civilian traffic can see them to avoid accidents.

The thing is that you don't fly into enemy airspace with those things on...

In general, yes. However apparently US has decided to use few types of minor reflectors to twist radar image of fighters in these days of, more or less peace to hide as much as possible of EW emissions and signatures.

Rumor says multiple types of reflectors were made with different reflective surfaces to suit various needs.