Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

Iran is not going to be "geographically cut off from China and central Asia , by Pakistan backed terrorists and extremists" because Pakistanis controlled by China and the Taliban is controlled by Pakistan(for the most part.)


China controls Pakistan controls Taliban controls ISIS . Therefore China controls ( supports ) ISIS . LOL .

"Panjshir resistance leader says ready for talks with Taliban"


The CIA agent has folded, this is from Western media.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/5/afghanistan-will-likely-erupt-in-civil-war-top-us-general

Why should Iran make sure "the project benefits all of Afghans


Since you are not waiting for reply . I will not wait for you .


This is indicative of siding with one faction against another . Not because they are CIA stooges . But because they are not Iranian reactionary Mullah stooges .

nomadski wrote:China controls Pakistan controls Taliban controls ISIS . Therefore China controls ( supports )  ISIS  . LOL .

Taliban & ISIS r bitter enemies, to the Talibs, a good ISIS fighter is a dead 1. And Pakistan isn't completely controlled by China- it has nukes & good relations with Turkey, while PRC-Turkish relations r far from perfect.

nomadski wrote:

Iran is not going to be "geographically cut off from China and central Asia , by Pakistan backed terrorists and extremists" because Pakistanis controlled by China and the Taliban is controlled by Pakistan(for the most part.)


China controls Pakistan controls Taliban controls ISIS . Therefore China controls ( supports )  ISIS  . LOL .

This is where you are getting mixed up, the Taliban DO NOT CONTROL ISIS, the Taliban have been fighting the ISIS for a while now.

ISIS was bought by US helicopters, to destabilize Afghanistan and start a civil war and unrest in Afghanistan.

ISIS in Afghanistan is controlled by the US and Erdogan, the US just want's to create chaos in Afghanistan and Erdogan(along with Qatar) is negotiating with the Taliban regrading controlling Kabul airport and  Erdogan(along with Qatar) want Afghanistan's resources. Erdogan(along with Qatar) want to be in a position of power when negotiating with the Taliban, so this is why  Erdogan(along with Qatar) are supporting ISIS in Afghanistan. When Erdogan(along with Qatar) get a good deal from the Taliban, than Erdogan(along with Qatar) will stop  supporting ISIS in Afghanistan and ISIS in Afghanistan will disappear.

But the problem for Erdogan(along with Qatar) is that the Taliban have Russia and China on their side, so they might not get a deal that is "Kadayif and Kunefe" as they like it. But Russia and China will not have any problem with Erdogan and Qatar having a foothold in Afghanistan, as long as they don't cause problems.

nomadski wrote:

Why should Iran make sure "the project benefits all of Afghans


Since you are not waiting for reply . I will not wait for you .


This is indicative of siding with one faction against another . Not because they are CIA stooges . But because they are not Iranian reactionary Mullah stooges .

Afghanistan is too complicated and dangerous for making sure any project is complete, especially one where it benefits everyone. Iran already hosts 4 million Afghan refugees, I am pretty sure those 4 million refugees are not Mullah stooges.

Taliban worse than ISIS . The same religious right wing shit . Espoused by land owners and Bazari class in Iran . The same anti - democratic approach . Iranian people care . Even if you don't . Now Tajik helping Afghans . Not CIA , dressed in Burka in Kabul in hiding . China is wrong . Iran is also wrong . Other tribes joining Tajik . I hope they form a Democratic Republic . Free from religious dogma and sectarianism . Iran through the Mullahs can not perform any positive role there . Apart from forming Shia resistance and increasing sectarian conflict . The Afghans better rely on other states , yes with more democratic forms . New money . China money . Is always extreme and greedy .

par far wrote:"Panjshir resistance leader says ready for talks with Taliban"


The CIA agent has folded, this is from Western media.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/5/afghanistan-will-likely-erupt-in-civil-war-top-us-general

Idk, according to some twitter, they aren't a CIA asset, but the US gov helps the Taliban against them. That the US did not want the National Resistance to have power, neither the President of Afghanistan who fled.


It seems there is still fighting going on...



BILAL SARWARY
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Saleh Registani was wounded, last update I had. He was a long time Massoud aid and one of the closest people to Ahmad Massoud.



BILAL SARWARY
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General Wodoodoad a nephew of Ahmad Shah Massoud was killed in Panjshir in the fighting against Taliban. General Woodoad was working in the defense ministry.

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Anees Ur Rehman
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Haqeqat Radio 88.3 FM has been shut down by the Taliban in Shinwari district in Nangarhar province. The Radio manager Ilham Pardes said that Commander Hijrat came to the Radio and he turns off the Radio office forcefully.


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Equally, essential question, who are operating these attack helicopters?
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#AFG “ Amrullah Saleh’s house was attacked by attack helicopters twice. Amrullah Saleh was moved to a undisclosed location in Panjshir.” Sources close to Saleh tells me.



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#AFG “Fahim Dashtay a spokesman for NRF was killed in the fighting.”Multiple sources close to NRF tells me.


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General Woodoad a nephew of Ahmad Shah Massoud was killed in Panjshir, sources close to NRF also tells me.
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My uncle was just killed. My mother says “tell everyone that whoever is martyred in our families we wish that it was us martyred instead there is no greater rank”
إِنَّا لِلَّٰهِ وَإِنَّا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُون
BILAL SARWARY
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“Who killed him? Is there a cooperation between US and Taliban already?
His death will have reactions for sure.”






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House-to-house search by the #Taliban. #Kabul residents say that the Taliban searching every house to find anyone who is disagree with them. After finding the target, the Taliban either kill them silently or arrest them. #Panjshir #AfghanistanCrisis #Afganistan

nomadski wrote:
Taliban worse than ISIS . The same religious right wing shit . Espoused by land owners and Bazari  class in Iran  . The same anti - democratic approach . Iranian people care . Even if you don't . Now Tajik helping Afghans . Not CIA  , dressed in Burka in Kabul in hiding . China is wrong . Iran is also wrong . Other tribes joining Tajik . I hope they form a Democratic  Republic . Free from religious dogma and sectarianism . Iran through the Mullahs can not perform any positive role there . Apart from  forming Shia resistance and increasing sectarian conflict . The Afghans better rely on other states , yes with more democratic forms . New money . China money . Is always extreme and greedy .

"Taliban worse than ISIS", I don't think so, especially when you compare to the current Taliban. I have seen videos of ISIS in Syria in the beginning, ISIS assholes were on another level, this is what their Western masters wanted.

Why do you keep brining in Iran into this, this is a mess US/NATO/West created.

Tajikistan will stop sending support, when it does not suit them.

Iran never started any "sectarian conflict", the Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia are responsible for most of the sectarian conflict in the Middle East, why do you never call them out?

"The Afghans better rely on other states , yes with more democratic forms" Afghans just got raped, tortured, looted, savaged and killed by the most "democratic" countries on the world.


"China money . Is always extreme and greedy", look at the countries that China does business with and look at the countries the west does business with. The countries that do business with China are in a win-win spot, where both benefit. The countries the west does business with are in a win-lose spot, where the west always win.

So is why China money " always extreme and greedy"?

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So far fighting continue in various parts of #Panjshir, #Taliban has captured several districts but they face tough resistance at #Bazarak, due to shutdown of mobile/internet independent confirmation of the claims from both sides is difficult.
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reports from #پنجشېر

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#BREAKING: Resistance forces say, Mawlawi Fasehddin, Taliban’s general commander for north of Afghanistan has been killed in Panjshir. Taliban did not confirm or reject it yet.






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#BREAKING: Ex, Samangan MP Zia Arianjad says Panjshir is being bombed by Pakistani drones.


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Just received from #PanjshirValley credible  informations about: #Pakistan commandos fighting #Massoud’s people; one commander of #SSG on the ground; cobra helicopters in air; few #Pakistani ID left on battlefield; and, in #Kabul, maybe coordinating, Lt Gen Faiz Hamid from #ISI .
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Panjshir is under Taliban’s heavy attack. Pakistan’s ISI chief Hameed Faiz is in Kabul Serena hotel monitoring the fight. Pakistan prime minister is engaged talking with world leaders to persuade them to stand alongside Pakistan. The world is watching. Isn't it interesting?

Taliban (or Pakistani) helicopters have definitely started grilling Panjshir resistance, they are running for the hills but with choppers on top of them it will be tough to handle:

https://twitter.com/AFG_Resistance/status/1434615722521550865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1434615722521550865%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

For the first time we came under fire from attack Helicopters and variety of new weapons including MANPADS. We know these are not taliban. Who is this proxy? Show your coward face!

all opinions aside,

I hope Afghanistan will find peace somewhere under the Taliban.
Perhaps their way of rule is what Afghanistan needs.

We as NATO, clearly where too incapable and corrupt to establish any permanent authority and structure.
I tell you all here, We as NATO have done some horrible stuff to the afghan polulation as well.
At times we abandoned them to Taliban repercussion forces, Or we bombed their towns off the map while we could have used other means to achieve the goals of liberating towns of Taliban presense.

In 2006, we had an interpreter that was himself an refugee once.
He grew up in my nation, got an education and went back with us to Afghanistan.
He tried to settle this tribal dispute between the two majority tribes in town.
They have shot members of eachothers ever since history remember.

Our interpreter tried to explain the conflict they had, and compare it to my nations world war 2 history and germany.
That we never officially made peace. but that we decided to bury the war-axe and ever since we grew to be two friendly nations, proshperous and friends.
That way of thinking was quickly cast aside, the thumping of AK's followed as this disagreement could only be settled in blood.

We had an gigantic mobile well drilling rig with us, we offered to bore deep-well water pits for all the local tribes.
We told them tough it takes us time to get them for all tribes.
we just have the one drill rig, we can not be everywhere at once.
they agreed, and we had an lottery who got first.

The very same night, they battled eachother on the streets who was to get the first well.
completely disregarding we where the ones deciding where and when our rig would be deployed.

also, in another case in my second deployment.

We gave the zone of control over to the afghan army that we previously owned.
The security situation in that zone deteriorated rapidly.
We had ambushes and IED's of the likes we have not seen in a while.
Like the entire population turned against us.

Turned out, the Afghan army acted like occupants. not bound by any honour-code or law whatsoever.
we went into town and where greeted with very angry people blaming us for leaving. And how the ANA took everything.
Indeed, we went to the ANA base. And all the things the people said they took, where there in their quarters.

The afghans have no sense of union, only tribalism and personal gain.
perhaps this rule of sharia is what they need to enforce some form of peace and order.

Afghanistan will always be Afghanistan, we will never change that.

@ Parfar


Taliban worse than ISIS", I don't think so, especially when you compare to the current Taliban. I have seen videos of ISIS in Syria in the beginning, ISIS assholes were on another level, this is what their Western masters wanted.

Why do you keep brining in Iran into this, this is a mess US/NATO/West created.

Tajikistan will stop sending support, when it does not suit them.

Iran never started any "sectarian conflict", the Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia are responsible for most of the sectarian conflict in the Middle East, why do you never call them out?

"The Afghans better rely on other states , yes with more democratic forms" Afghans just got raped, tortured, looted, savaged and killed by the most "democratic" countries on the world.


"China money . Is always extreme and greedy", look at the countries that China does business with and look at the countries the west does business with. The countries that do business with China are in a win-win spot, where both benefit. The countries the west does business with are in a win-lose spot, where the west always win.

So is why China money " always extreme and greedy"?


Your answer ;

Taliban today shot innocent journalist in front of family  ! You also bring "Iran " into this . Iran loves Taliban . They visited Soleymani house . I am not allowed to say Iran hates Taliban . As much as right wing  Bache Bazzari dozde  kaseef , reactionary terrorist in Iranian state , shooting and assassinating opponents and democrats and socialists . At least Tajikistan is doing what suits Tajikistan and not a bunch of corrupt Mullahs , Iranian or Afghan . Iranian right wing started the first sectarian conflict by murdering Iranian democrats and socialists . Absolute power brings absolute corruption . I have always mentioned Saudi tucked up version of religion ! Learning from their democracy will give us advantages , same as learning about their weapons . China also trades with Burma , without any reservations , when they shoot people on the street for democratic rights . Same as Iranian right wing terrorist really .  New money does not clean up after itself . It is too new and inexperienced . Not a fault of Chinese ancient culture but modern culture infecting the world .

Taliban may rule with an iron fist, with Pakistan helping them, but I don't think there will be any lasting peace. The world is becoming more unstable. That's the future. Every person and their dog will be trying to get over whoever they want to get over. Sad to say. Ethnic conflict.

Natiq Malikzada
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Mawlavi Qani, head of Islamic scholars in Kabul:"The war with Panjshir has no religious aspect. It is an ethnic war, and a Muslim genocide



Relative of mother stuck in Afghanistan describes country as 'an open air prison'
The mother and her family were to be evacuated Aug. 26 but plans were scuttled after the airport attack
After a failed evacuation attempt during the double suicide bombing last week, an Afghan mother and her five children remain stuck inside Afghanistan with little direction from the State Department on when or how they will leave.

"It's an open-air prison," an American relative of the mother told Fox News. "There's no safe way to leave the country."
The mother's relative, who wished to remain anonymous for fear of Taliban reprisal, explained to Fox News that they have been unable to re-establish contact with U.S. officials for further guidance.
"Kabul has gotten increasingly more dangerous," the relative explained. "So she went back to her house, about ten hours north of Kabul.

"It's a little bit more remote, but they're still doing door-to-door checks," she added, referring to the Taliban.

The American relative said her cousin has described a scene of terror unfolding throughout Afghanistan with Afghans now attempting to flee to surrounding nations like Tajikistan in the north and Pakistan to the east.
"She said she spoke to people who had actually gone to the Tajikistan border and they were conducting searches of people in the vehicles," the relative said, referring to the Taliban. "If you had younger boys they were recruiting them and taking them and not allowing them to cross."
The American relative described a similarly chaotic scene for those attempting to flee into Pakistan, where daughters have allegedly been seized by members of the insurgent group.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/family-of-mother-stuck-in-afghanistan-open-air-prison

UN should prevent Taliban's onslaught in Panjshir, negotiate political solution: Amrullah Saleh


Read more At:
https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/un-should-prevent-talibans-onslaught-in-panjshir-negotiate-political-solution-amrullah-saleh20210905095850/

flamming_python wrote:Pakistan is getting a bit too big for its shoes in Afghanistan, if they're sending in their own air force directly

Someone should cut them down to size

What's the rush?

Let's see how long "freedom fighters" can last without CIA money



Also, Junior's daddy and his jihadists was able to hold this valley because other warlords were doing all heavy lifting elsewhere and keeping the heat off of him

I want to know how tough they are under actual circumstances they have been bragging about since the 80s

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/05/politics/mccaul-taliban-afghanistan-airport/index.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-rep-6-planes-americans-stuck-at-kabul-airport-2021-9

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/04/asia/uyghur-afghanistan-taliban-china-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

The USSR was using helos & planes there too- how is PAF going to make a difference? The defenders likely have some MANPADs & can use RPGs from mountaintops as well.

Who is MP Zia Arianezhad, and who is Aamaj news, says it is from Kabul.




Muslim Shirzad
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MP Zia Arianezhad says #Panjshir is being bombed by Pakistani drones.
That Pakistani drones have bombed Panjshir.

"Panjshir was bombed by Pakistani Air Force drones using smart bombs," he added.

flamming_python wrote:...Then there's the factor of India as well and Russia can't really just screw them over by giving the thumbs up to Pakistan to do whatever they want in Afghanistan. The Taliban have already been indicating that they could send fighters to Kashmir next.

The best solution would be a diplomatic one. Pakistan is not helping here.

Nobody said they should give anyone thumbs up, just sit back and enjoy the show


If Taliban do send anything to Kashmir then deal with it then

Diplomacy is nice but you can't do diplomacy if a country is stuck in a civil war

And Russian diplomacy will be completely useless and impotent if you have bunch of US assets egotripping and stirring the pot

There can only be one top dog and sooner the pretenders are put down the sooner diplomacy can start working



Junior and his daddy claimed to have what it takes but if they had then daddy would have been caliph of Kabul and Junior would have been El Presidente today

But they don't and never did, they had top shelf advertising (especially daddy) but advertising is not what makes military leaders

Daddy is worm food and once Junior joins him room will clear to start fixing this shitshow