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    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:50 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:Now these bad guys are armed according to all NATO standards, unlike Ukraine Laughing
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    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 35 Wzx40d10

    This will definitely make job of videogame developers a whole lot easier Cool




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    Post  nomadski Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:55 pm


    https://report.az/en/other-countries/forces-in-panjshir-say-taliban-conducting-ethnic-cleansing/


    I did say that support of Taliban , by outside powers , during ethnic conflict will result in ethnic cleansing . Now the proof . Time for IRGC to send direct and indirect help to people of panjshir who are victims of Taliban . Taliban must go back to pashtuns area in Pakistan .

    Down with Taliban .



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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:05 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    https://report.az/en/other-countries/forces-in-panjshir-say-taliban-conducting-ethnic-cleansing/


    I did say that support of Taliban , by outside powers , during ethnic conflict will result in ethnic cleansing . Now the proof . Time for IRGC to send direct and indirect help to people of panjshir who are victims of Taliban . Taliban must go back to pashtuns area in Pakistan .

    Down with Taliban .

    Ethnic cleansing is a bullshit buzzword thrown around willy-nilly every time Uncle Sam or his Brussels asswipes want to pull a sneaky on someone

    If they want to sell me on the ethnic cleansing they better deliver evidence (real one)


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    Post  flamming_python Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:27 pm

    Russia has declined to take part in the inauguration ceremony of the new Taliban govt.

    Clearly it's not impressed with its dominance of hardliners and inability to form a coalition with other stakeholder groups in the country (probably Tajiks).

    Or maybe it has still not made up its mind.

    Wonder what China's position is.

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    Post  jhelb Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:26 pm

    nomadski wrote:Remember Einstein  a Zionist was a scientist . We can not reject his physics . NRF should make this clear , remove Levy , as ideological mentor . Plato is better . But Iran can support communities in North , as a matter of strategic interest . Just support .
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    A Jew tactic that most people are unaware of - when doing your PhD in USA your professor will take all your ideas and make money from it. Spielberg & Zukergerg both stole other people's idea

    Einstein was Patent Office Clerk - make the connection.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:44 pm

    Isos wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Isos wrote:When I think about it, it seems they let all those equipement so that Taliban could use them.

    If they really wanted to they could have burnt them quickly. A 1l bottle of oil or alcohol or anything that burns and a lighter is all they needed for each vehicle.

    Soldiers could have done that in 20min. Same with small weapon and equipement, put them togather and burn it in an hangar or in an empty base.

    Burn them.....? I hope you are joking.

    Why not ? Vehicles burn quickly which makes them unusable and all the soldiers equipement like jackets and bags or optics would also burn.

    Small weapons are made if plastics sometimes and would also melt which even if not destroyed would make them unusable.

    A no fuss way of vehicle or even aviation sabotage would be to just start them and pour some sand into the fuel tank or oil cap on the engine. Or just pour the sand in so that the engine was ruined at its first use. There seems to be no shortage of sand out there and putting it directly into the engine is not recoverable from without huge skill.

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    Post  Isos Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:03 pm

    Well they are skilled and would cleab the engines fast.

    Burning them is so quick and easy. Just put oil everywhere inside and burn it.

    Or throw one or two grenade o inside and inside the engine.

    I guess they engineering troop could have provided bombs.

    It's really easy to destroy vehicles, I really don't understand why they let all of them there in good cobditions. They really wanted Talibans to use them.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:34 pm

    TRT World Now
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    #BREAKING: Russia will not take part in Taliban government's inauguration ceremony in Afghanistan – Kremlin



    Then, later. Perhaps they don't want to go ahead without the Russians Laughing

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    Taliban cancels inauguration ceremony of Afghan interim government, calls 9/11 supposedly scheduled inauguration "rumors" https://tass.com/world/1336289


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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:39 pm

    Isos wrote:Well they are skilled and would cleab the engines fast.

    Not sure how you could easily repair an engine that has run with sand in its bearings if it was in the oil, or in the injectors, fuel pumps if in the fuel. Either way the vehicle is immobilised awaiting stripdown and new parts, from the US Very Happy

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    Post  nomadski Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:52 pm

    @ Jhelb

    "...Einstein was Patent Office Clerk - make the connection...." . I was reading a book by him , and despite his talents as physicist , he was truly blinded by his Jewish religion and personal experience of Nazism , into blanket support of Zionism . Thinking that Zionism would be a liberating force for the Arabs too . The lesson here is never allow personal bias to cloud your judgement . Not easy at all .


    @ Papa

    ".....If they want to sell me on the ethnic cleansing they better deliver evidence (real one)..... " The video clip shows vehicles and people on the Road , the voice on this video says that they are leaving Panjshir because of the violence there . If it is not a fabrication , then at least is proof of war refugees . And at worst deliberate expulsions . It could be too late to stop the escalating violence , by demanding evidence of thousands of millions displaced . Time to act is now . A short sharp message may be enough to stop the Talibs from offensive .

    @ Flaming python

    "....Wonder what China's position is........" A logical position , I believe , is a conditional response to Taliban . E.g. ; withdraw forces to tribal area or no candy !


    @ JohninMK

    Not sure if they deliberately left equipment intact . Since some evidence of destroyed helicopters in Kabul and freezing of Afghan funds  . Could be disinformation . If not then incompetence on their part . Too busy thinking about getting on next flight . Leaving the poor Dogs behind . .........
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:27 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Isos wrote:When I think about it, it seems they let all those equipement so that Taliban could use them.

    If they really wanted to they could have burnt them quickly. A 1l bottle of oil or alcohol or anything that burns and a lighter is all they needed for each vehicle.

    Soldiers could have done that in 20min. Same with small weapon and equipement, put them togather and burn it in an hangar or in an empty base.

    Burn them.....? I hope you are joking.

    Why not ? Vehicles burn quickly which makes them unusable and all the soldiers equipement like jackets and bags or optics would also burn.

    Small weapons are made if plastics sometimes and would also melt which even if not destroyed would make them unusable.

    A no fuss way of vehicle or even aviation sabotage would be to just start them and pour some sand into the fuel tank or oil cap on the engine. Or just pour the sand in so that the engine was ruined at its first use. There seems to be no shortage of sand out there and putting it directly into the engine is not recoverable from without huge skill.

    I think sugar in a gas tank works too.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:43 pm

    Forces in Panjshir say Taliban conducting ethnic cleansing
    Representatives of the radical Taliban movement have expelled thousands of people from the Panjshir province in northern Afghanistan and are also carrying out ethnic cleansing, the representative of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan Ali Maisam Nazary tweeted, Report informs referring to foreign media.

    “The Taliban have expelled thousands of people from Panjshir. They are committing ethnic cleansing, and the world is still watching and ignoring this situation. We urge the International Community to stop these war crimes,” Nazary tweeted.

    In August, amid the withdrawal of the US military contingent from the country, the Taliban seized all major cities and border crossings in the country. However, the Panjshir province remains impregnable. The Taliban managed to capture only the main road.

    https://report.az/en/other-countries/forces-in-panjshir-say-taliban-conducting-ethnic-cleansing/





    Sources from the National Resistance Front sent videos to Amaj News telling them that they are still in control of most of the strategic parts of Panjshir and are fighting as guerrillas. But the Taliban say they have full control of Panjshir.



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    Post  medo Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:25 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Russia has declined to take part in the inauguration ceremony of the new Taliban govt.

    Clearly it's not impressed with its dominance of hardliners and inability to form a coalition with other stakeholder groups in the country (probably Tajiks).

    Or maybe it has still not made up its mind.

    Wonder what China's position is.

    China and Qatar fully support Taliban government, even more than Pakistan.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:52 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    I think sugar in a gas tank works too.

    You are correct but we would say petrol tank. Very Happy Not sure it would work in a diesel vehicle. I didn't suggest it as I thought that sand would be easier to get.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Sep 11, 2021 12:56 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Forces in Panjshir say Taliban conducting ethnic cleansing
    Representatives of the radical Taliban movement have expelled thousands of people from the Panjshir province in northern Afghanistan and are also carrying out ethnic cleansing, the representative of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan Ali Maisam Nazary tweeted, Report informs referring to foreign media.

    “The Taliban have expelled thousands of people from Panjshir. They are committing ethnic cleansing, and the world is still watching and ignoring this situation. We urge the International Community to stop these war crimes,” Nazary tweeted.


    They say 'ethnic cleansing' but the Taliban are saying that they are allowing whoever wants to leave to do so, so that they do not get caught up in the next round of fighting. The Taliban appear to be trying to save civilians who might get in the way and create bad PR.
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    Post  nomadski Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:01 am


    Taliban saving civilians by " helping them out of their homes " , is ethnic cleansing . Why not just leave the area alone ? They are obviously not wanted there . I think volunteers from Iran and neighbouring countries should go to Afghanistan to help defend these populations . Since the Mullahs and religious right wing , prefer a Taliban religious dictatorship and not a democracy .

    Just imagine if Northern Afghans managed to form a Democratic rule . What a shining example to all in the region . No wonder the dictators do not like this . The fighting men of Panjshir are freedom fighters . They are showing that you do not need a Mullah in charge , to be free or brave . A democratic revolution awaits .
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    Post  Sujoy Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:28 am

    This theory does the round in Pakistan's military circles on a regular basis.

    According to Pakistanis just 2 squadrons of PAF kept the Soviet Union away from Paki airspace during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and 2 PAF squadrons shot down 8 Soviet/Afghan fighter aircraft  without losing any to the enemy.  Future vice president Alexander Rutskoy then Colonel was captured after ejection prison for few days then handed back as goodwill



    Basically trying to suggest then can repeat such operations if need be.
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    Post  lyle6 Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:32 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    Basically trying to suggest then can repeat such operations if need be.
    The CIA regularly drone strikes their citizens and they can't do nothing about it. I suggest they shut their mouths before it starts writing checks they can't cash.

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    Post  Isos Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:37 am

    Sujoy wrote:This theory does the round in Pakistan's military circles on a regular basis.

    According to Pakistanis just 2 squadrons of PAF kept the Soviet Union away from Paki airspace during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and 2 PAF squadrons shot down 8 Soviet/Afghan fighter aircraft  without losing any to the enemy.  Future vice president Alexander Rutskoy then Colonel was captured after ejection prison for few days then handed back as goodwill



    Basically trying to suggest then can repeat such operations if need be.

    It could be true. Soviet used mainly bombers in their operations that couldn't do much to protect themselves against fighters.

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:31 pm

    India must have done something in Afghanistan that has royally pissed off the US. They are now shutting down Ford's manufacturing plant in India.

    https://www.autocarindia.com/car-news/ford-to-stop-manufacturing-cars-in-india-422002

    flamming_python wrote:Russia has declined to take part in the inauguration ceremony of the new Taliban govt.

    Clearly it's not impressed with its dominance of hardliners and inability to form a coalition with other stakeholder groups in the country (probably Tajiks).
    Tajiks have been included but Shias have been left out.


    Isos wrote:It could be true. Soviet used mainly bombers in their operations that couldn't do much to protect themselves against fighters.

    Pakis are claiming that they shot down Soviet fighter jets. That aside, why would the USSR deploy bombers without supporting them with fighters knowing fully well that Pakistan Air Force is already targeting Soviet bombers.
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    Post  Hole Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:10 pm

    Sujoy wrote:This theory does the round in Pakistan's military circles on a regular basis.

    According to Pakistanis just 2 squadrons of PAF kept the Soviet Union away from Paki airspace during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and 2 PAF squadrons shot down 8 Soviet/Afghan fighter aircraft  without losing any to the enemy.  Future vice president Alexander Rutskoy then Colonel was captured after ejection prison for few days then handed back as goodwill



    Basically trying to suggest then can repeat such operations if need be.

    What kept the russian air force from bombing the shit out of Pakistan were politicians in Moscow, not crappy paki fighter jets.

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    Post  Isos Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:36 pm

    Pakis are claiming that they shot down Soviet fighter jets. That aside, why would the USSR deploy bombers without supporting them with fighters knowing fully well that Pakistan Air Force is already targeting Soviet bombers.

    Back in the day they didn't have precise GPS or similar stuff to guide themselves.

    Going in foreign airspace happened more often than today wheb operating near a border.

    And they were all more happy and more likely to push the weapon button. Just look at the number of civilian aircraft that get destroyed because of that.

    The su-24 downing in Syria by Turkey was a common thing during cold war.
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    Post  nomadski Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:03 am

    "....Tajiks have been included but Shias have been left out......"  Tajiks and others have been included in Taliban pashtuns occupation . This is the most important fact . One that means no peace in Afghanistan . The NRF should publish the ethnicity of captured Taliban . It will become clear how many are from Pakistan and now many from Afghanistan .

    It is better that Shia are included in power sharing arrangement . But not enough . We are still left with minority rule , lack of elections . A religious dictatorship representing the interests of traders and Land owners .

    The most help for all Afghans apart from food aid , is to help push tribal elements out of regions , where they are not wanted and do not belong . Using different methods  of giving or allowing self defence for besieged communities .

    Where ethnic cleansing is being carried out , air drops of food and light arms and ammo are needed . For the defenders . This is far cheaper than dealing with the consequences .

    Afghan refugees from tribal regions , displaced by Taliban should be allowed defensive arms and organised and air dropped into regions occupied by Taliban . 100,000 rifles and basic supplies is very doable and will ensure Northern route open for Iran and Tajik and Uzbek and Turkmen to China .


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    Post  Sujoy Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:04 am

    Russia sends armoured vehicles, military equipment to Tajikistan

    https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/russia-sends-armoured-vehicles-military-equipment-tajikistan

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    Post  nomadski Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:44 pm




    Good news for Afghans I hope . Trade should be allowed for all regions of Afghanistan , up to and including trade routes to Central Asia and China . Iran should continue with food aid to all regions and protect all communities in Afghan Ostans , as it protect own Iranian Ostans . Especially those regions subject to occupation and ethnic cleansing .

    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2021/09/07/2567711/iran-resumes-steel-exports-to-neighboring-afghanistan

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